I'm new to Ut3 on the pc

[FragTastic]

Out of my collection of 450 DM maps i can only think of about 3 that have weapon\pickup overboard syndrome. I guess it could of course be that there is more and these are the ones in the collection i rarely play and forgot about.... lol.

Either way theres a lot of decent custom maps out there.

w00t azurescorch you tell them
This game is now 3 yrs old. Peeps who dont like it, if you think its so awful why are you still posting here? please go and post in forums for games you do like. Everyone whos left here has had a gutfull of the haterz, myself included.

[terrortowers]

Friday nights are usually pretty good for online action. (that's tonight) Late night gets even better sometimes.

The GDawwg DM server has the weapons and amps everywhere in those custom maps. It's loads of fun and has wicked fast redirect. Those are meat grinder maps, good for practice, training, and warmup. Plus, there are usually some very good and experienced players in the mix as well.

If you see BTA under TDM (it's like TAM), give it a try, you never know till you do.

nope... the Gdawwg server is a POOR excuse of a server.. the maps are terrible, the designer clearly hasn't used kismet or barely any use of Static Meshes...

putting pickups everywhere doesnt == fun....

[Sly.]

I couldn't say it better!

Anyway, this is a ut3 forum. For ut3. I think every one here knows by now you love ut99 the most and don't like ut3 very much You don't have to keep on reminding us. Stop trying to steal our newbies.

A very good argument. Well said. We should try to spark interest in THIS game else there won't be a sequel. I love the UT and U series and I don't want that it dies (that's the case right now, this game is dying! ).

If we always say "the previous UT titles were WAY better, buy and play them instead of this one" we won't get new players! More and more players are leaving the game and when I wanted to play a nice vCTF match I couldn't find ANY full server. ALL servers were empty -over the whole day!

I play the other UTs as well and I like them a bit more than UT3 as well but I play UT3 because I like this game too. The other UTs might be better but UT3 is still an UT and it makes a lot of fun although there are some bugs. What I want to say with this is that I don't like UT3 as much as the other UTs but I don't want that this game dies only because it is a bit worse than its predecessor. It's still a game which is worth to be an UT title and ...


Uhm.. I forgot what I actually wanted to say...

Well, you see what I think: We need to save the UT series!

IT MUST NOT DIE!

[azurescorch]

The Onslaught game is great in UT 2004 if you give it a chance and learn the game. The tanks you are talking about are custom vehicles on custom maps (something you never see in UT3). The tanks are fine once you learn the game and the those special tanks are on every map.

Honestly every ONS server I played on was bs. One map had over a dozen plasma tanks going around, another had a redeemer at every single node and so on. Customisation isn't always good it seems. Also another thing that bugged me is it seems to be nothing but hitscan.

As for what ut3 was like at release, I can' really comment on that. I got the game maybe some time around mid 2008 and didn't play even semi-seriously until the game was dying (long after titan-pack). So maybe you're right. But still ut3 is my favourite by far despite there being things I dislike about it.


Anyway, this is a ut3 forum. For ut3. I think every one here knows by now you love ut99 the most and don't like ut3 very much You don't have to keep on reminding us. Stop trying to steal our newbies.

[Sourpuss]

You say the other games have a higher population yet in UT04 I couldn't find a single DM server that had a good player:bot ratio. I could only find one ONS server and it was running some **** with overpowered plasma tanks and redeemers everywhere.

UT 2004 is alive for Onslaught and Invasion-RPG. People who want to play DM are probably playing it on UT99.

The Onslaught game is great in UT 2004 if you give it a chance and learn the game. The tanks you are talking about are custom vehicles on custom maps (something you never see in UT3). The tanks are fine once you learn the game and the those special tanks are on every map.

UT99 I just don't like. QuakeLive feels more faster and more responsive to my input. I can't tell if I am making combos or not because the shock primary impact also makes a shockwave type animation. Also triprox **** me off in ut3, let alone ut99's hexarox. I mean, six rockets, really. That's just over the top.

There are UT99 servers that play at faster speeds, such as the all-Face servers. One thing you'll find in UT99 that you won't find in UT3 is active capture-the-flag PUG matches.

The UI is fine (which seems to be your main case vs ut3 as it's what you mention the most). Not perfect but it works. And you can always hit F10 and type a command if you don't want to navigate it. Yes before "Black Edition" the UI was really bad, with no real options for customising the graphics. But they fixed that. There is also that mod to improve it further. On top of this you spend less than 0.5% of your total time using the UI. All the casual gamers I know who use to play ut99 and ut04 liked ut3 just as much. They no longer play, but they only played the first 2 for 1 or 2 years also.

It's improved from where it was at release, but I still think it's clunky and slow and has a consolized feel to it. Also, you still can't pull up the server browser while you are on a server.

I think UT3 did badly for the exact same reason Quake4 has no players. People don't like change.

I don't think that was its problem. It's the fact that it was released in what felt like a beta-state was the problem. If it had been released in its current state it might have done better.

As for the population of the 2 games 2 years after release, you can't do that comparison fairly. UT99 never had to please fans of a previous version nor did it have as many games to compete with.

UT99 had powerhouses Quake III and Half-Life to compete with. It also had to please Unreal players.

I think it's a fully fair comparison. If anything, UT 2004 would have an advantage of UT99 in these regards and UT3 would have an advantage over both UT99 and UT 2004. It seems like part of how you judge the success of a game should be based on how many players it brings over from the previous games. If a sequel is really good, if it's better than its predecessor (which it should be), then almost all of the fans of the predecessor could be expected to purchase it and play it.

If someone prefers UT3 to the previous games, that's fine. Everyone's entitled to play what they want. However, facts are facts, and the fact of the matter is that UT3 proved to be an abject failure compared to its predecessors.

[mrtek]

Thanks for the rec JD and Vulkor. Vulk I never made the connection to you being Rhykker until I just looked at your sig

Welcome to the BD&HR server mrtek! Thought I saw ReverendCrow playing as well.

Hope to see you guys often.

cya

For sure i'll continue to play this game
These days i'm also playing Quake Live and Borderlands
But I'll try to play much more UT3 since I really like this game!

[ReverendCrow]

yeah I don't have much time to play so I only play for about ..an hour at most... **** that thing called life lol I'm usually on anytime after 10pm eastern (if I'm on). Finally upgraded my pc and got UT3 for this pc so I gotta get used to it again.

edit:..wait..how do you know me? lol

[Taffy]

Thanks for the rec JD and Vulkor. Vulk I never made the connection to you being Rhykker until I just looked at your sig

Welcome to the BD&HR server mrtek! Thought I saw ReverandCrow playing as well.

Hope to see you guys often.

cya

[azurescorch]

Are you referring to me?

Indeed I am

You say the other games have a higher population yet in UT04 I couldn't find a single DM server that had a good player:bot ratio. I could only find one ONS server and it was running some **** with overpowered plasma tanks and redeemers everywhere.

UT99 I just don't like. QuakeLive feels more faster and more responsive to my input. I can't tell if I am making combos or not because the shock primary impact also makes a shockwave type animation. Also triprox **** me off in ut3, let alone ut99's hexarox. I mean, six rockets, really. That's just over the top.

The UI is fine (which seems to be your main case vs ut3 as it's what you mention the most). Not perfect but it works. And you can always hit F10 and type a command if you don't want to navigate it. Yes before "Black Edition" the UI was really bad, with no real options for customising the graphics. But they fixed that. There is also that mod to improve it further. On top of this you spend less than 0.5% of your total time using the UI. All the casual gamers I know who use to play ut99 and ut04 liked ut3 just as much. They no longer play, but they only played the first 2 for 1 or 2 years also.

I think UT3 did badly for the exact same reason Quake4 has no players. People don't like change.

As for the population of the 2 games 2 years after release, you can't do that comparison fairly. UT99 never had to please fans of a previous version nor did it have as many games to compete with.

[Cr4zy]

the user interface and server browser in UT3 felt like a consolized abomination.

You haven't played this game on a console have you? It's a **** interface there, so no i wouldn't call it consolized.

[Sourpuss]

I was actually referring to a member who is constantly bashing ut3 but still comes to these forums

Are you referring to me?

I like to come here so that Epic and other people can hear a voice in favor of PC gaming and of having a non-consolized UT4. There are still a great many fans of the original UT99 and UT 2004 who were very disappointed with UT3 and who are hoping for a bona-fide sequel to UT99 and also UT 2004. I played UT3's Warfare game for a couple months and was even a member of one of the early clans, so I think I'm entitled to discuss it.

My advice for the original poster in this thread is to give UT99 and UT 2004 a try. If he enjoys Warfare he'll probably enjoy UT 2004's Onslaught game, which often has a packed server offering hordes of custom maps.

Personally I dislike the other two ut's myself. Weapons feel like nerf guns, ut99 "feels" slower (I always play on servers with dodge jump mutator in ut3) and ut04 feels too floaty and everything but LG, shock and Flak seems to be useless, at least in TAM.

You're entitled to your likes and dislikes. I suspect that if you had started out with UT99 back in 2000 that you would see things differently and might also appreciate the benefits of a game's being popular and of its having tens of thousands of players (tons of custom content, a vast variety of filled servers 24/7, active clans and leagues, numerous active communities).

I like to judge the UT games based on player counts at fixed times after each game's release. (Say, compare UT99 two years after its release to UT 2004 two years after its release and to UT3 two years after its release.) When you do that you will discover that UT99 was by far the most popular and successful UT, that UT 2004 did OK for itself, and that UT3 had very low player counts in comparison to both UT99 and UT 2004. To paraphrase NBA player Rasheed Wallace ("the ball doesn't lie"), in the case of PC games I think that, "the long-term player counts don't lie".

Let me finish by saying that going from UT99 or UT 2004 to UT3 was like going from a loaded Lexus to a stripped down economy car if not a Yugo. The first two felt like legitimate PC games (which they were) whereas the user interface and server browser in UT3 felt like a consolized abomination. There's no excuse as to why a new and improved version of a game should be substantially inferior to previous versions just as newer car models should be improved over earlier models.

[Kantham]

Ouais.

I'm 22.

[mrtek]

@Rhykker: yup c'est pas trop loin et j'ai fais quelque match ctf à date

@Kantham: Do you speak french too
Maybe we know each other who knows hehe
Humm how old are you? I'm 24!

[Kantham]

Do you speak french?
Well I live in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu!

Wow now that's freaky. I live in the same city. D:
Do I know you?

[Rhykker]

Do you speak french?
Well I live in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu! I guess you should know this city!
Are there some ctf matches?

Moi? Certainement. Saint-Jean c'est pas trop lointain, 1-2 heures de MTL sur la rive sud, ouais?

Regular CTF isn't too popular, sadly, but the instagib-CTF scene is healthy.

Peace,
-Rhykker