I am really starting to hate the bots in UT3

[UTCollector88]

Hi

I did a team deathmatch on Experienced at I was dying all over the place. I can't believe that is Experience difficulty, why would you want to go any higher. You would have to be a super accurate freak to go any higher. I don't know if it is the difficulty or just the Krall. The thing is, it is hard to be accurate and wait for the right moment to shoot, or put the crosshair where you think they are going to land, or dodge to or move to because by the time you do that you are already dead if a bot has you as their target. Unless you can move and do it at the same time. But moving doesn't help much against bots especially if they all gang up on you.

The rush and shoot everywhere tactic only works in small maps like Biohazard or if the bots aren't targeting you. And if you are not accurate most of the time then you're toast. I can't evade anything, I am lucky if I evade a few rockets. This Experienced difficulty in UT3 is like the Masterful difficulty in UT99. I don't know how you can use bots as practice for online. I think it is the other way around.

**** I wish you could dodge jump in Ut3 although it probably would not help either. I just about hate bots with any weapon now especially the shock rifle. They have this annoying thing they do which is to shoot you with a ball which sends you flying forward then shoot you with the beam. They do this so many times it is really starting to annoy me. I don't get a chance sometimes. I don't know if some levels bots go harder on you but that Sanctury level is really hard.

[SN1Kt]

well... you need to train more
Here is for exple jjz (US pc player I think) owning GODLIKE bots on Deck
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=RL96PBnEI40

Bots are never like online players because even if they are deadly accurate, their moves and moreover pathways are very very predictable

Whats your ingame login name btw?

[dickbird]

Well it's all about knowing which weapon to switch to to counter whatever weapon the bot pulls on you, which weapons are best for the level your on, or the part of the level your on, when to shoot and when to dodge behind something, having a good posture so you can move the way you need to without binding up your wrist or something, knowing where the powerups are on the map and getting them yourself and not letting the bots get them, getting lots of sleep because your reflexes are lousy if you don't get enough sleep or at least mine are, learning to predict what the bot is going to do next, which you can do because their behavior is relatively simple, getting your mouse sensitivity set right, disabling mouse acceleration (I think that helps), tweaking your controls in various other ways, and probably a lot of other things.

Not that I've ever managed to be an amazingly great player, but those are some things that I think have helped.

[wickedsteve]

Fight through the pain and keep at it. Godlike bots are challenging but they are still just bots. They follow patterns and priorities you can manipulate and or exploit. If you can not master the single player campaign against bots then you will have a much harder time against the really good human players who can actually think and be creative or anticipate.

[Hashiro]

Yeah learning the maps and powerups/health are key. Also configuring your settings to what works best for you, wether its controller or mouse/keyboard is also neccessary.

And remember, its not always how good you do that 'round' its the duration of the game. You can run up & die 3 times in a row, but then recompose and pull a few killingsprees per death. Dieing isnt a problem as long as you learn from it. Basic game ethics ftw.

[Akira Kurosawa]

well... you need to train more
Here is for exple jjz (US pc player I think) owning GODLIKE bots on Deck
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=RL96PBnEI40

Lmao, with aim assist on. Also it's way to easy for someone to say in a **** quality youtube video that it's Godmode, those bots looked way to inaccurate for it to be godmode. Oh and the fact he was mainly in the lower deck not doing much, or in the upper deck sniping.

[RoadKillGrill]

Lmao, with aim assist on. Also it's way to easy for someone to say in a **** quality youtube video that it's Godmode, those bots looked way to inaccurate for it to be godmode. Oh and the fact he was mainly in the lower deck not doing much, or in the upper deck sniping.

This is the PC version, there is no aim assist, and he doesn't have godmode on, he dies 14 times :P. JJZ is a very good player, he times the sheildbelt nearly every time in the match. Also godlike bots movement sucks, they are easy to hit when that walk at you in straight lines, JJZ was trapping them in the bottom, as its restricts their movement their movement making them easy targets.

[Akira Kurosawa]

This is the PC version, there is no aim assist,

Er wtf? Just look in settings >.> "Aim Assist" is right there.

and he doesn't have godmode on, he dies 14 times :P. JJZ is a very good player, he times the sheildbelt nearly every time in the match. Also godlike bots movement sucks, they are easy to hit when that walk at you in straight lines, JJZ was trapping them in the bottom, as its restricts their movement their movement making them easy targets.

And trapping bots isn't learning to play them or adapting, it's exploit them
I don't think any part of that video was skill.

[RoadKillGrill]

And trapping bots isn't learning to play them or adapting, it's exploit them
I don't think any part of that video was skill.

The best strategy with real players is the same, exploit their weaknesses to your benefit.
Of course it wasn't a video of skill it was done to reply to a thread, look at the comment.
I can guarantee you auto aim was not on, JJZ has to much ego for that :P

[Akira Kurosawa]

The best strategy with real players is the same, exploit their weaknesses to your benefit.
Of course it wasn't a video of skill it was done to reply to a thread, look at the comment.
I can guarantee you auto aim was not on, JJZ has to much ego for that :P

It obviously was you can see the shock beams stray from the cross hairs and hit the target.
Pinning bots in a lower area where they are forced to either dodge into an acid pool, or run in a straight line. With a guaranteed chance they will do one of the two because it's all they were made to do. That's exploitation.

A player vs player scenario, where player A takes so much damage from player B. Player A having come up with a tactic. Throws his weapon, and Feigns death, momentarily giving him the bonus of confusion. Jumps back up with a Flak cannon and decimates player B.

That's tactical.
And FYI just saying, not flaming.

[RoadKillGrill]

It obviously was you can see the shock beams stray from the cross hairs and hit the target.

Are you watching the same video I'm watching, there are NO crosshairs, the demo rec messes that up. The beam draw is delayed, if you shoot while turning fast you get a distorted trajectory that does not look possible.

A player vs player scenario, where player A takes so much damage from player B. Player A having come up with a tactic. Throws his weapon, and Feigns death, momentarily giving him the bonus of confusion. Jumps back up with a Flak cannon and decimates player B.
That's tactical.

Thats the sillyest tactic I've ever heard, that doesn't sound useful at all. When I'm talking about player exploitation I'm talking more about weapon/pickup denial and path prediction.

If a player whores tri rox loading then you pickup all rocket ammo and camp rocket launcher pickups, it works wonders.
An other is shieldbelt pickup, if you already know that you opponent will run at the SB right on time you can trap him and hang around the belt to get him. An alternate senerio is the opponent never grabs the belt, you can time it to the second to have a 100 hp advantage over him.

[Trepænima]

A player vs player scenario, where player A takes so much damage from player B. Player A having come up with a tactic. Throws his weapon, and Feigns death, momentarily giving him the bonus of confusion. Jumps back up with a Flak cannon and decimates player B.

LOL, nobody would EVER fall for that, do you even play UT3?

[Akira Kurosawa]

LOL, nobody would EVER fall for that, do you even play UT3?

They fall for it all the time, only used in a heated area. Works for about 2 seconds which give you enough time to jump up and get in an extra shot.

[shombowhore]

I never play bots, even Godlikes are easy. :[

I would have to recommend more online play to the thread-starter. After a few months you should be raping Experienced bots.

I don't think any part of that video was skill.

Sorry to inform you, but jjz would destroy you.

Er wtf? Just look in settings >.> "Aim Assist" is right there.

What he meant is that it doesn't work online, but I can assure you jjz wasn't using it.

It obviously was you can see the shock beams stray from the cross hairs and hit the target.

You obviously haven't spectated online, or watched any demos. That's a bug. It's particularly evident on the shock beams in this vid: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GQ2qmXJqpY&fmt=6

[UTCollector88]

Hi

Ok. I am not the most accurate person and I am not that good at dodging. But how can you predict when a bot is about to dodge. Because don't they only dodge when they need to. That is what happens in instagib on Godlike, they only dodge when you are about to shoot them.

Also how do you know when the right time to dodge is? And I though dodging doesn't work against bots. I am pretty lousy at dodging I can never dodge more than once in a row.

I am good at the campaign it is just in instant action. I will look at that youtube video and adjust a few of my settings as well. I have to admit though my mouse goes a bit slow sometimes. Has anyone made any guides that has tips and strategies for owning bots?