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  • replied
    Yep. It seemed like a good idea!

    Pity those demos don't work anymore too. Can't even see the line-ups... unless its hidden in there on page 8 or something

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    yo we have won :P don't remember it well lol, but why don't finish this event?

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    Originally posted by Cr4zyB4st4rd View Post
    The competition started well. Unfortunatly teams either couldn't play or didnt want too, during the arranged dates. Many moaned about something at one point which never helps things.
    We can't really declare a winner overall although group wise as it stands only UK and Finland didn't loose a game in their groups.
    Everygame that we played was great fun all the games I watched were fun. But lack of interest in the cup the game the competitive side of warfare, let us down. Like Nammo I hope the rest of the games get played otherwise it's a bit of a mess. We don't have the servers we had before but if teams decided to play within the dates then we would have been done before we can make use of the pickup server if we need.

    It does seem that the competitive warfare community is dying.
    im personally still hoping that the match italy-polonia will be playied, even if we're gonna lose =)
    if there are any updates let us know

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    Then lot of skilled players and others less skilled started to play 5v5 pickups, again and again, and this majority of players simply denigrate publics games, which is IMO really not the behaviour than a true community should have.
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    And the few pickups i played, had similar behaviour, with not a lot of teamplay, and very selfish... this is one the reasons i dont play pickups, and TBH, i totally prefer a good 12v12 or 16v16 warfare, like in ONS
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    Heh pickups guys, it happens to have awesome games in pubs, you know?
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    A lot of our good players are playing PUGS most evenings so that makes it harder.
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    ... see more pickup players on pubs
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    It does seem that the competitive warfare community is dying.
    Well, I play with American peeps. You should join, despite the higher ping. One of the reasons is because there are no such dramas on that side of the Atlantic

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    The competition started well. Unfortunatly teams either couldn't play or didnt want too, during the arranged dates. Many moaned about something at one point which never helps things.
    We can't really declare a winner overall although group wise as it stands only UK and Finland didn't loose a game in their groups.
    Everygame that we played was great fun all the games I watched were fun. But lack of interest in the cup the game the competitive side of warfare, let us down. Like Nammo I hope the rest of the games get played otherwise it's a bit of a mess. We don't have the servers we had before but if teams decided to play within the dates then we would have been done before we can make use of the pickup server if we need.

    It does seem that the competitive warfare community is dying.

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    Originally posted by god smack View Post
    i don't see why some1 shouldnt use the shaped charge to destroy a node or a redemeer too, really i dont understand why its "bad sportmanship" and when i have the occasion, i always use them, and also when i can i always even teams (even if i know im gonna lose). if the epic guys putted a redemeer in downtown they wanted you to use it in my opinion
    That i said and what i will say are my personnal point of view and feelings about the UT3 euro WAR community.

    Speaking competitively, coming from ONS, where no superwepons were allowed, i dont agree with the actual CB WAR rules, and the use deemer for exemple.

    On Downtown, (i just remember you that a ladder match is 5v5), i dont know how many match we have lost in 3 minutes, but just a lot. Taking a deemer at prime and after that a shaped charge on the core while oponent tank is going to camp in our prime... are you starting to understand what i am talking about?
    Another exemple, if mining base or primary spawn point in floodgate is not bad sportmanship, i guess what it is... I can already see people coming here saying: "its a tactic, blablabla...", I wont try to argue with this kind of guys.
    You know, when is clan is really stonger that another one, does he need to use those things to win? I dont think so, its just make the time of the game shorter than it should already be.

    IMO, there is just maner and Maner to win a match, i am an old school player, and to me, things like this are important.

    And with ST2, we always got pwned and will continue to be pwned in nearly every game types we play, but we dont care, we play because we like the game, to have fun, and we will get an honor point to try playing with respect and sportmanship of opponents, that is the ST2 Spirit

    For my vision of pickups, i admit that i just played a few ones, but they haven't given me the envy to continue them, making remember me the CB matches (cf downtown with tank camping, floodgate with lame spiders...), maybe it has changed but anyways as I said, I prefer play big action pub, where we do not seen enought pickup players.


    To comeback to the cup subject, i really hope that all matches will be played, because if its not the case, this will mean that the euro WAR community will have failed... Is there a lot of match to be played?
    I won't have internet during 1-2 monthes, so i just hope that when i will be back, this cup will be finnshed with a nice happy end, and see more pickup players on pubs

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    Originally posted by Masaai_Warrior View Post
    +++++1

    I agree with pretty much everything you have to say Tenebre.

    Titan ONS is/was the best community I played with, and I miss the whole lot of them in UT3 - I wish they had made the jump because the game is poorer for it.

    Public Servers need more good sportsmen. I have lost count of the number of games I have played where one team is stacked - and has good regular players - who then proceed to annihalate the other team round after round, match after match. It is the most basic common sense to swap better players over to the other side until a balance is reached. If people do not have fun playing the game, they will **** off to COD4 or TF2 much quicker. I do not see why this is so difficult to understand but my recent experience on the server shows that very few players are actually interested in having a fun game, and like Tenebre said, would rather just kill less-skilled players repeatedly. A lot of our good players are playing PUGS most evenings so that makes it harder.

    Anyway, if you find a balanced 12-v-12 or 16-v-16 match on the pubs, the experience is much better. If more players practiced fair play and good sportsmanship, we would have a better community.
    Not always easy to switch tho - we just need better team randomisation between games

    Originally posted by Nammo View Post
    Apologies for the lack of updates for this cup but unfortunately it is because there is nothing to update. Not a single match has been played or arranged since the GER vs UK match . I'm hoping that the teams who have yet to play their games get off their derriere and organise their matches as I dread their will be a drop in interest for this cup and we may have to cancel the whole cup. Multiplay have taken back the servers as we took too long to play the matches so if teams wanted to continue with this cup they will have to use the mpukunreal.warfare pickup server. This is my plea to the teams: Please don't let this cup die
    I've watched the demos... you lot scared them off - No doubt tho, an invitational team could be put together that would give you lot real problems

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    Apologies for the lack of updates for this cup but unfortunately it is because there is nothing to update. Not a single match has been played or arranged since the GER vs UK match . I'm hoping that the teams who have yet to play their games get off their derriere and organise their matches as I dread their will be a drop in interest for this cup and we may have to cancel the whole cup. Multiplay have taken back the servers as we took too long to play the matches so if teams wanted to continue with this cup they will have to use the mpukunreal.warfare pickup server. This is my plea to the teams: Please don't let this cup die

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    Originally posted by Masaai_Warrior View Post
    +++++1

    I agree with pretty much everything you have to say Tenebre.

    Titan ONS is/was the best community I played with, and I miss the whole lot of them in UT3 - I wish they had made the jump because the game is poorer for it.

    Public Servers need more good sportsmen. I have lost count of the number of games I have played where one team is stacked - and has good regular players - who then proceed to annihalate the other team round after round, match after match. It is the most basic common sense to swap better players over to the other side until a balance is reached. If people do not have fun playing the game, they will **** off to COD4 or TF2 much quicker. I do not see why this is so difficult to understand but my recent experience on the server shows that very few players are actually interested in having a fun game, and like Tenebre said, would rather just kill less-skilled players repeatedly. A lot of our good players are playing PUGS most evenings so that makes it harder.

    Anyway, if you find a balanced 12-v-12 or 16-v-16 match on the pubs, the experience is much better. If more players practiced fair play and good sportsmanship, we would have a better community.
    Balance in the matches n balance between pubs n pugs m8.I like pubs but i really enjoy a good pug.We should support both.

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    Yeah, Tenebre has some good points, but I don't agree with the part about the pugs suffering from bad sportsmanship to the same degree as the pubs, or WAR requiring more than 5on5 either.

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    Originally posted by Tenebre View Post
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    +++++1

    I agree with pretty much everything you have to say Tenebre.

    Titan ONS is/was the best community I played with, and I miss the whole lot of them in UT3 - I wish they had made the jump because the game is poorer for it.

    Public Servers need more good sportsmen. I have lost count of the number of games I have played where one team is stacked - and has good regular players - who then proceed to annihalate the other team round after round, match after match. It is the most basic common sense to swap better players over to the other side until a balance is reached. If people do not have fun playing the game, they will **** off to COD4 or TF2 much quicker. I do not see why this is so difficult to understand but my recent experience on the server shows that very few players are actually interested in having a fun game, and like Tenebre said, would rather just kill less-skilled players repeatedly. A lot of our good players are playing PUGS most evenings so that makes it harder.

    Anyway, if you find a balanced 12-v-12 or 16-v-16 match on the pubs, the experience is much better. If more players practiced fair play and good sportsmanship, we would have a better community.

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    Originally posted by Tenebre View Post
    ST2, the last of the ladder, with a bad sportmanship, using all maners to win easily: demmers, shape charge, base raping with mines or at spawn points... victory, vicory, victory at all cost.
    i don't see why some1 shouldnt use the shaped charge to destroy a node or a redemeer too, really i dont understand why its "bad sportmanship" and when i have the occasion, i always use them, and also when i can i always even teams (even if i know im gonna lose). if the epic guys putted a redemeer in downtown they wanted you to use it in my opinion

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  • replied
    +1 Drunk, I never got to play the last EUvsNA game so a new one would rock.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by Tenebre View Post
    Moreover WAR maps are not made to be played in 5v5 IMO...


    +1.Id prefer a 10vs10 or more in many maps.Thats for clan base too.About the community,i guess some guys personality ruin good games.

    As for the Ger vs UK gratz to all ,guys !

    Maybe we can have an America vs Europe again after the cup ? That will be great.I didnt manage to get a Greek team together n i managed to play only in one game as a sub.Others didnt play at all.Lets do a more open to all cup or whatever?

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  • replied
    Originally posted by Skippy_Doe View Post
    This is how a good community makes a game great.
    Organize an event like warfare 2008 between different countries is a very good thing, its sure
    But IMO, that's not enought to make the european WAR a "good community", well it depends of what you call a good community...

    To me, a good community is composed by PLAYERS, it means, guys who like the game, play it with and for fun, trying to play fair, with good sportmanship and not lame behaviour.
    I can really say that with Ut2004 and our good old ONS, the european ONS community was a top one: we had the Titan Onslaught T32 community with their awesome 32 players public servers, and a lot a skilled (or not) clans with nice players like FAT, EZO, ne, Ci, SD, ST2... and lot of others without clans (skilled or not) who played the only and good way to play: friendly with respect and sportmanship. I remember the "fueg's and ert's server" which gave us so many great games, FG servers too, and others one... ah the good old time

    The fact is that, with the arrival of UT3 and its warfare, our ONS community was splitted and lot of players didn't made the jump to UT3, the a new community born, with the impulsion of D2F who created the justWARFARE.com site dedicated to WAR (and VCTF), and especially in WAR pickups. Then lot of skilled players and others less skilled started to play 5v5 pickups, again and again, and this majority of players simply denigrate publics games, which is IMO really not the behaviour than a true community should have.

    Near that, Clanbase ladder was dying, clans activity stopped very quickly... Yes, i think, nearly all the WAR clans are guilty of murdered WAR ladder, which reflects their implication and their envy of playing... just SLT, mi5, bU and ST2, tried to keep the flame but we failed. Clanbase WAR community was not a good one too to my eyes, seeing how all those skilled clans could rape us, ST2, the last of the ladder, with a bad sportmanship, using all maners to win easily: demmers, shape charge, base raping with mines or at spawn points... victory, vicory, victory at all cost. So tell me where is the game spirit? I have the answer, it's somewhere else, but not here.
    And the few pickups i played, had similar behaviour, with not a lot of teamplay, and very selfish... this is one the reasons i dont play pickups, and TBH, i totally prefer a good 12v12 or 16v16 warfare, like in ONS: 8v8 and 16v16 FTW, and more i will always prefer play pubs with "noobs" but with good behaviour and a bit teamplay than a "skilled" 5v5 with not really teamplay and not sportmanship. Moreover WAR maps are not made to be played in 5v5 IMO...

    To finnish, UT3 community on pubs, which are IMO the "true" players, who play for fun, is splited by guys with good and bad spormanship, but so much people dont care about balancing teams and then made sometimes the pubs be very desapointing games... Oh i forgot, it is so difficult to say in public chat: "someone wants to swap with me?" and then request swap team....

    Sure i have in overall a bad opinion of the eurpean WAR community (that's why SQkippy_Doe your "good community" for you, is not a good one for me), but in it, you will be able to find fortunately, guys who want to play clean and fair games (in clans, pickup and public games) and then WAR is awesome, and play a great WAR public 32 players well balanced is very enjoyable! Thanks to them Heh pickups guys, it happens to have awesome games in pubs, you know?

    To comeback to the Warfare 2oo8, idea came from Armageddon and bU teams i think, so thanks to them for realizing this competetion, I just hope there will be a next edition in the future, and maybe with more players per teams (my personnal point of view is that a "true" warfare, is done with a minimum of 8 players per team, and the top one are 12v12 or 16v16 games to have great action and fun).

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