Unbalanced matches at campaign

[FrostBiteEST]

Am i the only one here who thinks that matches in singel player campaign are unfair. I sometimes get matches like 4v8 (i have 3 mates and opponents are 8.) Mostly its warfare maps but it just isnt possible to win even in easy mode cause u cant be on many places same time. And bots dosent help much, i mean they cant even hold one node cause its 3v8 for em. So does anyone else have that kind of problem?
And yes i have installed the patch 1.1.

[UnrealDancer]

Use the cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UnrealDancer]

Those cards were pretty dumb IMO. They wasted development time IMO.

[Fireseal]

Use casual mode, then the enemy bots are slow and can't shoot

[Ikioi]

I thought the Deathmatch parts of the campaign were really easy, but the VCTF, warfare, and CTF could be really tough sometimes.

[Medu Salem]

It's at least possible to get through the campaign without ever using any of that cards...

Even it is unfair and unbalanced, its possible. DeathMatch is the simpliest, chose that when ever you can. Fragging more than the other team does, shouldn't be a problem until your completly new to the game ;D

If theres no DM-Map to chose from, then simply take CTF and tell ALL your bots at start that they should defend your own flag, and YES, fight your way through the enemylines on your own (Shouldn't be that hard, cause most of them will go to capture your flag and theres only one, max. two left to defend theirs.).
Getting out of there is sometimes hard, when they notice their flag is gone and ALL respawning enemies are going for you If that escape is to hard for you, just tell one or two of your mates to cover you when you are nearby the enemy flag, so they will defend your own as long as they can and then they will come to meet up with you somewhere in the middle of the map. After that it should be easy, cause if one of the enemies got yours, you are able to kill that one yourself, rather then your dumb mates, while your support-mates are defending your back against everything that comes after you.
They even don't need to win this 2on5 fight, they just should keep them off as long as possible. ^^ ... That three times and you've won anyways, isn't that hard even they are 8 and you have only 3-4.

Warfare is a little harder that way, you are right with that I'm not an Onslaught player myself, so I found that Warfare-Maps at start a little bit annoying, cause I just prefer DeathMatch. But I found some tactics against that.
Thanks to Epic, Warfare now features MORE than just linking some nodes with each other. Mostly all maps have a secondary goal to score at.
Just tell your mates to attack the normal nodes. The game should be balanced for a short time while both teams have to link their primenodes and so on. After ALL of the bots are going for the centered one and finally fight each others, you may will loose the nodes one by one, caused of the fact the teams are unbalanced.
Just don't mind about that, go for the secondary goal, just get that one (or two) node(s) on your own, killing everything off that gets far too near you :P Holding them for 60 seconds will drain the enemy's core by 20 points directly, so you don't need the normal nodes anyways. When you've done that 5 times, or match-time runs out, you won ^^ They might have captured your primenode node then and are about to go against your core, but that shouldn't matter, cause your mates are killing everything off when they are nearby.
They can't win the game for you, and as you said, they even can't hold a node :P but they are good to gain some time against your enemy.
On the smaller maps the enemy looses on ground cause they are in the line of each other and thereby the smaller ones should be no problem.
The real problem is when they've got ALL nodes right from start, then your primary goal should be going for the next node AFTER your prime node, cause while your bots can't think that far, they will just go killing everything at your primenode as long as its hold by the enemies.
When your bots finally manage to get the ORB to your prime node, and they surely will, cause at start everything is a total chaos and the enemy isn't that organized, you are able to attack their primenode or the centered node, whatever, and that is fatal for the enemy, cause while you are attacking that node, they can't reinforce there anymore. They will have to take on ALL the way from their core or primenode to get to their attacked node.
In that time your own mates will already be on the way to that attacked node, and as they all arrive you've already destroyed that enemy node. Then be sure to link that node as fast as you can, cause this is the critical moment, if you get controll over that node you've already nearly won the match :P
That way you will get 2 nodes at once by time and the enemy can't do anything about it. The enemybots will react confused, and for short time it seems they don't know where to get first :P
Everything afterwards will be easier then. Do the same again with the next nodes, if there are some, otherwards just go for the enemy core.
Its surely hard to manage at first, but its the way I did it without ever using one of the cards :P With the cards its even easier Even that way it took me only several seconds, up to max 5min, to win the map, caused of the fact that enemybots have then the same problem as you've now, they can't be on two places at once, when their primary goal is to hit your core :P
Their own strategy used against them.

That works on every difficulty as I tried... The enemys strategy is still the same, they just aim better and move more around on harder modes oO

[FrostBiteEST]

Great tactics there but shouldnt it be fixed. And btw i play with hard difficult and i manage if there are balanced team, but if there is like 4v8 it just isint possible, then i have to use god mode or smt.

[iycgtptyarvg]

FrostBiteEST, I TOTALLY agree. The campaign mode with bots is needlessly frustrating because of 2 things:
1. Unbalanced teams.
2. Bots are really bad at playing WAR.

My suggestion is to get online and play the campaign with humans (co-op). This makes a HUGE difference... 4 humans have a good fighting chance against 8 bots (yes, also on hard).
If you live in/near The Netherlands, join my server for some co-op (server is called Planet_Bouwhuis). I play mostly around 22:00 local time.

[Madmanxan]

use the cards lol...i finished the campaign on the normal mode and i think i used 2 cards thru the whole thing lol

[Medu Salem]

Indeed, on OnyxCoast, my tactics didn't work out as I wanted, I must admit, but that map is just rather russian roulette than anything else and therefore based on how much luck you've got :x That's just my expierience with that one.

As I found that one the hardest map in the whole campaign, cause there the enemy's count is really far too unbalanced, and I weren't able to avoid it by choosing another one, I played that one, as the only one though, three to four times, even in normal mode, cause, really, I don't know why, sometimes you will be able to finish that map within minutes, sometimes you loose that one right from start, and sometimes NO team is able to win right in time, causing the team with most core-health to win, which is finally mostly the other team :x
I would have won it at the first try, even I had to play nearly 16minutes to gain the upper hand, but then my internet connection got reset and therefore I logged out of my UT3 account and so the match didn't count any longer :/

I've investigated that map more in depth too, cause I wanted to know if there's any possibillity to increase the chance of winning, but I think it's primary problem is that this map is way too far based upon tactics. I like that aspect, I think its really the most tactical map within the whole roster, the designer(s) which did this one really own(s) his(their) title and did a great job

The Leviathan, when wisely used, is much more dangerous than the both Darkwalkers the other team got, this is just fact once you know how much armour the Leviathan got and how much the Darkwalkers got. Human players are able to recognize that. This leads to following aspect with the bots:

The bots of your team don't give the right priority to the Leviathan and the BrigdeNode, while the bots of the other team DOES set a priority for the BridgeNode, so most of the firepower your team got is lost compared to the 2 Darkwalkers. There's really a problem with that, cause it forces you as human player to take care of the BridgeNode on your own, but the bots are a little bit too dumb using the Leviathan's real possibillities. Its more likely they will drive it to its death, if they would drive it generally, causing your team to loose the game, than shooting the enemies core :P But when you go for the Leviathan yourself, after you took the BridgeNode, which is almost impossible to get, when respawning mates are near it, its most likely you will lose the BridgeNode again, which makes the Leviathan as a whole useless to your team.

Finally I tried it as long as it took to win the map, but a few days ago I played all Warfare-maps in Instant just out of fun, so OnyxCoast too, and there I were able to capture the Fury the other team got. If you manage to get that one, don't ask me how, you will own the Darkwalkers easily and everything else too Even the teams were equaled in Instant, it should also give you more advance in the campaign, if you could get that one :>

All other maps weren't any problem to me, but this may be a fact caused of chosing my maps wisely, rather than picking one random on choice, I don't know, and therefore you could be right, that some ways are nearly impossible to get through, and some others are easy. Thats a thing only Epic knows really... oO But if thats true, they should fix it, cause I can imagine it beeing annoying.

Although that forces me to remember the good old SNES times, playing Super Mario World and chosing the right path in Bowser's Castle was the only way to finally succeed...

[iycgtptyarvg]

@Medu Salem
I agree that Onyx Coast is very difficult to beat on your own. I think it's primarily because the opponents use the DarkWalker to destroy your Prime Node from across the map. The only proper defense is to use the orb to lock the node.
Of course, then your team mates have to capture the enemy prime to auto lock your own prime node. With humans this is easy, with bots this is very hard (read: frustrating).

I personally often have trouble with Avalanche (the normal one, not the 'Two fronts' version). I simply can't hold all the nodes AND attack the core AND fight the bots AND ...

Warfare, and to a certain extend vCTF, is simply to difficult for Epic's AI programmers. I think they chewed off more than they could handle here.
Then again, I nowadays basically exclusively host co-op Campaign, and it's a blast with 3 other humans.

[Medu Salem]

I seem to have missed that locking feature via orb... Have to try that

In Avalanche (normal) your primary goal is to get those 2 secondary nodes, cause then you'll get one Darkwalker and one Goliath, and the enemies prime node will also get sucked to hell :x If you then manage to get the prime node, ALWAYS go up on the right side from the hill and not over the staircase on the left side, cause all the bots will come from there downwards to the prime node...

[causa45]

i can handle those on hard without any cards, shouldn't be too hard, remember, its campaign, not multiplayer ^^

[ArmageddonAsh]

just finished a map on 2vs6 and it was soooo easy like how you can have more people trying to kill you i think that was a good idea though having it in warware mode makes it really hard at times.

[Perfect_Dark]

Onyx Coast and Avalanche i lost first time round then just use time to win hold the centre nodes.and dont try to win.Just keep that centre node the match is yours.