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    Originally posted by NakhtiUT3 View Post
    Also you folks fail to realize that now they are in the same league as the BIG BIG boys, EA, MS, Sony, Activision, Nintendo, ... yes Epic is now a major major player in the gaming industry and as such there is much greater pressure on them from their partners like Sony and MS who they have products for their consoles. Things will never be like they were before because this is not the same predominantly PC company that existed just three years ago.
    Obviously, and that's something we are just going to have to accept. It's a shame but Epic have been my favourite dev for a decade which is why I don't like to feel them 'slipping away'... the problem is at my end and I just have to let go...

    One idea though, seeing how Epic are now loaded to the eyeballs with dollars, they could set up a NEW small specialist team just like the original Epic of a decade ago and concentrate on innovative PC gaming while the 'big' Epic rake in the coins from the mega-console hits.

    Either way, tech and nature being the way it is i'm sure someone will naturaly fill the gaps left by Epic and Valve as they move up the ladder (Crytek had my vote before EA got hold of them, not so sure now - obv crysis is stunning but Crytek won't be a small developer after that game).

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      Originally posted by Bloody Roots View Post
      Every person posting here needs to memorize the above post by NakhtiUT3...

      At one time, Dell Computer operated out of Michael Dell's dorm room in college. He catered to the wants of about 25 people who lived in his building. Now look at Dell.

      (Many of the PC gamers posting here can be equated with those original 25 customers of Dell)

      As with Dell, so with Epic. It is called "success".
      Oh please ... he stopped catering to people a long time ago and just ran with what he wanted because he could ... he had no competition. And in the beginning he was just like Epic was ... WAS being the operative word. It is really funny that you would bring up Dell when just about every PC gamer has something bad to say about them ... just like you folks are doing with Epic and yet as you point out Dell is still as successful as ever.

      Now you might want to take into consideration that Dell was started YEARS before Epic even was around ... like 10 years if I am not mistaken. And we see that Dell has changed greatly in that time frame though they are still successful. Epic effectively did the same thing. Built up an established customer base and cater to their needs while building capital so that in time they can do as they really want to. Well surprise ... that time is now. And what was that about successful. Did I not mention how much money Epic has made from their licenses and from Gears of War for the 360 alone (now a PC version is out making money and getting good reviews). So yeah remember that post from me please. Epic is definitely successful and anyone who argues that they aren't is just plain stupid. So what was that point again you were trying to make but failed miserably at doing so?

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        Originally posted by Sharpfish View Post
        EDIT > I see it above. At last. Why they didn't post that around the beta time I don't know. So now just a couple of small issues left and we are good to go (buy)
        That is what many of us with common sense who have been around and seen how Epic does its releases was not overly concerned. Patches are a part of Epic ... a BIG part. Who the heck hasn't figured that out by now. Rein even quoted something I said that alluded to that last week. People are just not paying attention because they don't want to ... its like I said ... people love to complain and Epic is not going to fall into that trap.

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          Faith and patience people; faith and patience.

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            Not read much of this thread, but agree with first post 100%, who makes a sequel to a game and leaves out (extremely useful) previous features?

            judging by a few recent posts, this thread seems to have gone waaaaay off topic

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              Originally posted by Bloody Roots View Post
              You are wrong. Epic knows well that the profits are now in consoles and will be even more so in the future...

              I've read quotes from Epic management expressing grave concern about the future of PC gaming...
              What???? You are not making any sense ... what am I wrong about? The game UT was conceived as both a PC and console game? Nope pretty certain I am correct about that ... but what does what you saying have to do with ...??? Ahhh I think you are just confused or something.

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                Originally posted by blOb View Post
                Not read much of this thread, but agree with first post 100%, who makes a sequel to a game and leaves out (extremely useful) previous features?

                judging by a few recent posts, this thread seems to have gone waaaaay off topic
                Noooo ... maybe instead of commenting on what you don't know you should read the entire thread. If that is too much for you to do then perhaps you should just keep your thoughts to yourself. In any event you are wrong and need to either read the entire thread or go away because you don't know what you are talking about.

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                  Originally posted by NakhtiUT3 View Post
                  Now you might want to take into consideration that Dell was started YEARS before Epic even was around ... like 10 years if I am not mistaken. And we see that Dell has changed greatly in that time frame though they are still successful. Epic effectively did the same thing. Built up an established customer base and cater to their needs while building capital so that in time they can do as they really want to. Well surprise ... that time is now. And what was that about successful. Did I not mention how much money Epic has made from their licenses and from Gears of War for the 360 alone (now a PC version is out making money and getting good reviews). So yeah remember that post from me please. Epic is definitely successful and anyone who argues that they aren't is just plain stupid. So what was that point again you were trying to make but failed miserably at doing so?
                  I remember playing Unreal1 and UT99 when they were first released, and they weren't console games. Hell, consoles couldn't even run them.

                  From the quality of those early PC games, Epic built a solid reputation. IGN-PC.com gave UT99 its highest rating ever for a PC game. Some one here post me a link to a console review of UT99.

                  8 years later, Epic is licensing the most popular game engine (UE3). Consoles are 10 times more powerful (look at PS3's Cell processor), and cost about a quarter of what a high-end "gaming" PC does.

                  Are the people in these forums generating all these complaints console gamers?

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                    Originally posted by NakhtiUT3 View Post
                    That is what many of us with common sense who have been around and seen how Epic does its releases was not overly concerned. Patches are a part of Epic ... a BIG part. Who the heck hasn't figured that out by now. Rein even quoted something I said that alluded to that last week. People are just not paying attention because they don't want to ... its like I said ... people love to complain and Epic is not going to fall into that trap.
                    Duh.. yeah, sorry i've only been around epic since 1997! I know all about them having one of the best customer support attitudes in gaming history (they even went against the grain on 360 and gave out free gears of war content)

                    This is nothing to do with the patch, it was the fact that with recent trends of CONSOLE / PC games (bioshock being a very famous one) the PC users have been getting ever more marginalised. The 'worry' on our behalf was pre-emptive purely to help promote the idea that we wouldn't be happy SHOULD they choose to not listen.

                    The fact that they have heard and are open to looking at the UI problems is great but it was never a given just because 'in the past they were cool' because i've seen many devs change attitude once they hit the big league.

                    It's naive to assume vital features will be given after you've paid money. It's more informed to hold back on the cash until they supply the patch.

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                      Off-topic.

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