Why don't they make it all optional?

[UT3needsdodgejump!]

Hi, I'm a seasoned ut99/2k3 and 2k4 player. And I really mean that without bragging, I used to be one of the high and mighty in Igib in the 2k3 - 2k4 era (IE. years ago:P).

I logged in just for to contribute, and hope it will still make the pc release (or the next patch)

Dodgejump, you left it out. Sure, if you want to do that, your game, your call. But why can't you just leave it optional? Like the mutators in 2k4 that allowed you to play 2k3 style? Leave us gamers to the choice.

I really liked the 2k3 and 2k4 tactical movement. The speed made it really rewarding to perfect your skills. And really made you almost impossible to hit in igib against the lesser gifted players. With all due respect to ut99 players claiming the gravity was noobish, ut2k3-4 is just way harder to master due to the incredible speed and movement. You just needed to react faster and aim better, so it was way harder. playing UT99 is like kindergarten for a good ut2k4 player.

I know you can counter me by saying: MODS can implement this, but we all know mods are WAY not as popular as the original and official gamepackage. Furthermore, if dodgejump and faster movement won't get included, all the official clanmatches won't play it, since it would open the way for cheatmod/servers.

So please please please, people from Epic, I know I'm speaking for the majority of hardcore NW and insta players here: Put in dodgejump and faster runningspeed as an option box in the mutatorlist. If you can't implement it anymore now: do so in the next patch. If I wanted ut99 I'd play that.

Furthermore: weapon switch, needs to be faster in order to make tactical play more appealing. If I wanted to play with just 1 weapon all the time I'd play BF 2. Also, maybe consider this as a slider bar in the mutator box: 0-10 seconds ()

I know this has been said before by other users. But since I have the addition of the mutator and I REALLY REALLY hope this has a chance of saving ut3 for me I still post this:P

But really: expand on the mutators, if not in the original release, do it in patches. Listen to the community. Imho the mutators are the key to a lot of diversity without the 1001 patches nobody really uses. I want a mutatorlist as big as the weapon options in worms 2:P

And ofcourse: GREAT job on the coding. Really amazing what you did with the resources, very efficient! It makes me all misty-eyed to see that UT3 is going in line with the UT franchise in being so friendly to middle-ranged pcs whilst still being fast and graphically excellent!

I whine maybe, but furthermore I'm excited, and nevertheless I will acquire it by launch ofcourse

[headfog]

Hi, I'm a seasoned ut99/2k3 and 2k4 player. And I really mean that without bragging, I used to be one of the high and mighty in Igib in the 2k3 - 2k4 era (IE. years ago:P).

Can I have your autograph?

[xentrumx]

cause they are busy with all what it takes to publish the game. and if the comunity would really want it they just make it themself, easy as that

[acid_trip]

I gonna guess that it will be optional...

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=580245

[UT3needsdodgejump!]

That thread means nothing. If you read my post you'd see taht I want it included in the game package / official patch, not as a mod for obvious reasons.

[Pox]

Dodgejump, you left it out. Sure, if you want to do that, your game, your call. But why can't you just leave it optional? Like the mutators in 2k4 that allowed you to play 2k3 style? Leave us gamers to the choice.

I really liked the 2k3 and 2k4 tactical movement. The speed made it really rewarding to perfect your skills. And really made you almost impossible to hit in igib against the lesser gifted players. With all due respect to ut99 players claiming the gravity was noobish, ut2k3-4 is just way harder to master due to the incredible speed and movement. You just needed to react faster and aim better, so it was way harder. playing UT99 is like kindergarten for a good ut2k4 player.

Another condescending post from yet another 2k4 player with a superiorty complex. UT2k4's movement was in no way difficult to 'master', and the crutches that broke the game have finally been removed. This is a GOOD thing.

Your small, yet loud, subset of the UT community has been heard. Hopefully, the devs will ignore these pleas and focus their efforts on polishing the game as it is instead of breaking it all over again for an insignificant number of complainers. The UT community will provide a mod, so I would say you'll have what you desire, eventually, even if it isn't straight out of the box. However, I would venture a guess that in the overall UT community it will be a 'fringe' mod that will not get much use.

[Hedge-o-Matic]

For every person who cannot adapt, there will be two who do, and another drawn to the game for the first time. If all it takes for a player to bail on a game is dodge-jumping and the weapon switch speed, good riddance to them, I say. They wouldn't have survived against players who can roll with the times, anyway.

[UT3needsdodgejump!]

[QUOTE=Hedge-o-Matic;25036524 If all it takes for a player to bail on a game is dodge-jumping and the weapon switch speed, good riddance to them, I say. [/QUOTE]

Nooblet, if you RTFP then you'd know that I only vouched for a mutator. If you can't handle the fact that ut2k4 was too fast for you, too bad.

[Simeon]

Nooblet, if you RTFP then you'd know that I only vouched for a mutator. If you can't handle the fact that ut2k4 was too fast for you, too bad.

Why don't you accept the fact that UT3 is different than the other UT games? There's no reason why Epic should make an effort to put all the things back in, only to have servers online using those settings. If you prefer UT2k3 and UT2k4, go play those games maybe - Epic has moved in a different direction to improve the balance of the game.

If your ego is too big to play UT3, just go play the earlier games.

[MonsOlympus]

And its about this time a 2k3/4 player would chime in and yell go back to UT! Well the shoes on the other foot now is it not?

Simply put the game is not designed around dodge jump like it was in the past so it would break more than what it could fix! People just need to get over it or just make sure to do your dodge jumps with the boots on :lol:

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=577136
http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=551329

Looking at these two polls you can see the even split, I would hate for Epic to implement anything which splits the community again. As usual though we can let the community tear itself apart, not in the name of having fun but because people simply cant live with the choices Epic have made for "their" game!

Thanks guys, you really make me want to continue my support for the community with this kind of attitude. If it wasnt for Epic I dunno if I would still be around anymore so a big kudos to Epic for all their hard work, honestly I think UT3 is dead on.

We dont need any of this stuff as the gameplay is pretty bloody solid! Longer switches allows people to make mistakes again instead of being so short it takes no skill in having the right weapon at the right time. This so called tactic movement and game speed is a load of **** for one, the air speed might be quicker in 2k4 but the run speed sure as hell aint which is why in 2k4 the dodge jump is so important.

[UT3needsdodgejump!]

Wups refresh doublepost:P:P

[Senji]

For every person who cannot adapt, there will be two who do, and another drawn to the game for the first time. If all it takes for a player to bail on a game is dodge-jumping and the weapon switch speed, good riddance to them, I say. They wouldn't have survived against players who can roll with the times, anyway.

Thats so funny we said the same thing to you guys when u coudln't adapt to 2k3/4 - thats assuming u were those that hated 2k3/4.

I completely agree with the OP - and Pox, i'd love to play 1vs1 with u in a lil 2k3/4. Seriously. Since u think so low of UT2k4, i'd hate not to prove otherwise.

[UT3needsdodgejump!]

What utter BS you're spouting. The only thing I'm saying is that they should leave the dodgejump and movement speed in as a mutator option. Epic just did this dumbing down in order to get a new audience (read: noobs / console players) which is perfectly understandable, because that means more revenues. I have nothing against that, but why sould the old fans suffer from it?

The only thing I ask for, along with all the other ut2k4 players, is that they leave the old stuff in as an OFFICIAL mutator option. No need to get all upset if you can't understand that.

I'm not here to pick a fight with anyone. I was just saying I was good because I read so many people's posts about weps who obviously never played UT before, so I introduced to validate I wasn't talking out of my *** and have experience with the games. But ut99 is just EASIER. That's it. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I love it, great coding. But it's just simpler. Everyone with an ounce of skill can tell you that. Now stop *****ing about that fact.

And I'm not an elite or a small minority here too. All the major clan IRC's are talking about the dumbing down of ut3 right now, since we all have the demo...

[Flak]

Watch the insults or this will be closed.

[DGUnreal]

This topic is getting really old people, let it go!
I wish I was a moderator on here...

I've said it a thousand times (well, no, not really... but I have said it a lot)...

Dodge-Jump should not be in the default player movement, it should be available in a mutator along with Quad-Jump, Low-Grav, Big-Head, Vampire, etc. Then people can choose it in IA or Server Admins can enable it for those who want it.
And with all of the ruckus on here about it, I am willing to bet that it will show up as a stock mutator.

I think I'm just going to change my sig to say this, that way I can just do a fast empty post...