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  • replied
    Originally posted by CoffinDancer View Post
    there's a 4200+ that fits a socket 939?
    i had tried to find a faster chip than my 3800+, but at MY withered old age of 56 i **** near went blind doing searches.. :-)

    LOL i'll buy your old one if you decide to go for it!! :-)

    CD
    newegg.com has the athlon 64 x2 4200+ 2.2Ghz with 512kb cache 939 chip for like $69 and the opteron 180, 2.4 Ghz with 1Mb cache for $169 (they also have the opteron 185 2.6Ghz for $249) They also have the opteron 165 (1.8Ghz), 170 (2.0Ghz), and 175 (2.2Ghz) as well, all with 1Mb cache per core. The 180 seemed to be the obvious choice. You can find them all over ebay as well, but usually more expensive if new or if it's used, there's always the bent pin and DOA issue.

    I opted for the opteron 180, but it does not seem to want to OC at all, nada, zilche, very fast compared to the 3700+ single core I had at 2.6Ghz though.

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  • replied
    That depends on your budget

    Originally posted by lærnu View Post
    ...and I am so frail that I need your help one last time before I make my purchases.

    Do you think I would be ok going with a AMD x2 Dual Core Athlon 64 4200+ Socket 939Pin,
    or would it be more worthwhile for me to upgrade my whole mobo so that I can use the new Socket AM2 chips?
    With a minimal upgrade now,,you can plan on a better complete, much less expensive one later on. Both AMD and Intel will be launching NEW 45nm and 35nm quad cores and more 2nd half of next year. The Core 2 stuff and AM2 stuff will drop in price. Maybe, you will opt to buy one of the new quad platforms with DDR3 memory next year. Your choice to make.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by innociv View Post
    Yes motherboards tend to be one size fits all, except for the mini-ATX boards.
    The one i linked will fit your case almost certainly.


    Swing and a miss.

    Play again. Read my post. 2 6800's isn't going to run 2560x1600 on highest. 2 8800 gtx's, the best cards out? Sure

    But if you have a 7800, it's better to buy an 8800 instead of putting another 7800 in.

    SLI gives 30-70% better performance usually. A new card is much better for the money.
    Right, right but you said the only reason to run SLI was to use two high end cards. But what you were really saying was two high end cards is the best way to do SLI. I agree with you if that is what you are saying...

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  • replied
    Originally posted by CoffinDancer View Post
    there's a 4200+ that fits a socket 939?
    i had tried to find a faster chip than my 3800+, but at MY withered old age of 56 i **** near went blind doing searches.. :-)

    LOL i'll buy your old one if you decide to go for it!! :-)

    CD
    Here one is;
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...html?AMD-X242O
    The 4200 was the last one to be made before they switched, apparently.

    @Innovic, thanks!

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  • replied
    Yes motherboards tend to be one size fits all, except for the mini-ATX boards.
    The one i linked will fit your case almost certainly.

    Originally posted by [TT]BrundleFly View Post
    The "only" reason? Sorry you ain't gotta clue. If you have a large monitor running a high resolution SLI is almost a must to get good frame rates. I run a 30 Inch Dell at 2560 x 1600 and SLI is the only way to go period...
    Swing and a miss.

    Play again. Read my post. 2 6800's isn't going to run 2560x1600 on highest. 2 8800 gtx's, the best cards out? Sure

    But if you have a 7800, it's better to buy an 8800 instead of putting another 7800 in.

    SLI gives 30-70% better performance usually. A new card is much better for the money.

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  • replied
    there's a 4200+ that fits a socket 939?
    i had tried to find a faster chip than my 3800+, but at MY withered old age of 56 i **** near went blind doing searches.. :-)

    LOL i'll buy your old one if you decide to go for it!! :-)

    CD

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  • replied
    Yeah, well I know that you're MEANT to use two good cards, but since I already have 1 old card it would be the budget option to get 2. Well that's what I thought but, it's irrelevant now anyway; can anyone answer my question regarding the mobo size?

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  • replied
    Originally posted by innociv View Post
    Only reason you SLI is to use two of the best-in-the-market cards, not use two old cards.
    The "only" reason? Sorry you ain't gotta clue. If you have a large monitor running a high resolution SLI is almost a must to get good frame rates. I run a 30 Inch Dell at 2560 x 1600 and SLI is the only way to go period...

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  • replied
    Ok, It is PCIe so I should be ok. Right, so it looks like the Processor, the Ram and the motherboard for me then. Hopefully I should be able to fit it all without problem. Do motherboards tend to take a "1 size fits all" approach when it comes to computer cases, or will I have to also invest in a new case O.o

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  • replied
    Originally posted by lærnu View Post
    At the moment I have a 6800 256 MB card. Do you recon I should just stick another one in there SLI for now and then sell them and get a new one when the new ones come out then?
    I'd say leave the 6800 256 mb in there if it's PCI-E. Wait for 9800 card
    I don't think SLI'ing a 6800 would do much.. and that motherboard i link you to isn't SLI.
    SLI is a waste of money imo. Best to just upgrade a card.
    Only reason you SLI is to use two of the best-in-the-market cards, not use two old cards.

    IF it's AGP it won't work in the new motherboard.

    Just get the motherboard, processor, and ram that I listed. Install all that with your 6800card, run the game, see how it runs.
    If it doesn't look as pretty as you'd like then get a 8600 or something.

    It's your money. :x But big things are coming next year.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by innociv View Post
    get the 2.4ghz one or whatever. I T's $190.
    The E6750.
    Or get a Q6600 for $100 more. It's quad-core and will run ut3 better, but not alot of games support quad core.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115029 CPU.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128050 Motherboard
    You'll need DDR2 ram. Get some OCZ platinum.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227139 Here is 2gb for $50. Some of the best ram there is if not the best. So you could get 4gb for $100 like i did

    I just bought these 3 things. :P
    I had an athlon 64 3700+... this should be like 3x faster and cost me $430(after i mail in my rebates).
    Don't get an AM2.. or spend more than $300 on a processor though because next year AMD is going to come out with true quad cores which will probly blow all the intels out of the water like they did before.
    But then intel will release their true quad cores which will probly be faster than amd's
    Right now the quad cores that are out are just 2 dual cores put together.

    But yeah like the other guy said, alot of new stuff is coming next year. The g90 graphics cards should be here around march, and new processor architexture later next year. So spend as little as you can like I did.
    I already have a geforce 7800 and was surprised how nicely the game looks and runs on it. But i think you could get an 8600 for like $200.
    I'm keeping my 7800 untill the g90's come out

    As far as the graphics card you're getting.. i'd say get something cheaper :P Ones that are like twice as good will come out next year.
    Also anything more than 512mb of ram on the graphics card doesn't help with UT3 or any properly written game. 256 would do you just fine really.
    Just get an old 7800gt or gtx or an 8600 and you'd be good unless you can't wait to pump those settings up high and have money to blow.
    Personally I see buying a G80 card as a waste.. unless you're running a REALLY old card now maybe.
    At the moment I have a GeForce 6800 256 MB card. Do you recon I should just stick another one in there SLI for now and then sell them and get a new one when the new ones come out then?

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  • replied
    innociv - you said that UT3 runs better on a quad core - have you seen any tests that show this? AFIK no one has tested the demo on 2 vs 4 cores and Tom's implies that one should wait until they show you the money because most 4core apps right now get very little speed bump.

    The test reviews of the UT3 demo on vid cards are out and seem to show pretty good performance on 8600 and up. BUT ATI JUST released new drivers on the same day as the demo which are "supposed" to even out some of the poor game performance. So far head to head testing show vid card more important than cpu.

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  • replied
    While its great spending other peoples money for them I would caution against any major investment till the final version of the game hits the shops . Not getting into any arguments over intel/amd or nvidia/ati I would say for the average joe running the game on a 17 inch screen at 1024x768 ;(please remind me that you can actually focus on the texture details in a fast moving game ), you need a midrange card with just a bit of grunt to the rest of the system.

    If you look in the utdemocompat folder you'll see many of the current graphics cards sorted with a value of -1 to 5.Im not sure as to the actual meaning of the values but the top end cards are getting a 5 and the midrange cards are getting a 3.

    My own opinion is that the graphics card is more important that the system as long as the system was built in the last 2 or 3 years.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by lærnu View Post
    @GBBlackKnight;
    Well I'm getting an 8800 640 MB so I should be ok with the Graphics card I think.

    @Mystical;
    Could you link me to a decent site where I could buy the core 2 duo? I always turn up with trash from google!

    EDIT: Nevermind, found some. Which should I be looking at between the 1.86 Ghz range and the 2.66 Ghz range?
    Bear in mind I don't want to spend too much money.

    Also, should I get this, which motherboard would be the best value for money in order to support the new CPU?
    get the 2.4ghz one or whatever. I T's $190.
    The E6750.
    Or get a Q6600 for $100 more. It's quad-core and will run ut3 better, but not alot of games support quad core.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115029 CPU.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128050 Motherboard
    You'll need DDR2 ram. Get some OCZ platinum.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227139 Here is 2gb for $50. Some of the best ram there is if not the best. So you could get 4gb for $100 like i did

    I just bought these 3 things. :P
    I had an athlon 64 3700+... this should be like 3x faster and cost me $430(after i mail in my rebates).
    Don't get an AM2.. or spend more than $300 on a processor though because next year AMD is going to come out with true quad cores which will probly blow all the intels out of the water like they did before.
    But then intel will release their true quad cores which will probly be faster than amd's
    Right now the quad cores that are out are just 2 dual cores put together.

    But yeah like the other guy said, alot of new stuff is coming next year. The g90 graphics cards should be here around march, and new processor architexture later next year. So spend as little as you can like I did.
    I already have a geforce 7800 and was surprised how nicely the game looks and runs on it. But i think you could get an 8600 for like $200.
    I'm keeping my 7800 untill the g90's come out

    As far as the graphics card you're getting.. i'd say get something cheaper :P Ones that are like twice as good will come out next year.
    Also anything more than 512mb of ram on the graphics card doesn't help with UT3 or any properly written game. 256 would do you just fine really.
    Just get an old 7800gt or gtx or an 8600 and you'd be good unless you can't wait to pump those settings up high and have money to blow.
    Personally I see buying a G80 card as a waste.. unless you're running a REALLY old card now maybe.

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  • replied
    Ok, perhaps I will wait until November for the GPU then! But still, looks like I'm gonna have to go with the new CPU before that.

    if you have the money and want to upgrade a lot, then go for a nice intel system! though in general i'd say spend as little as you can.. since PCIe-2.0 is coming, DDR3 is here, Intel will move from LGA-775 to a different socket in the future, AMD currently sucks (and will do so for a while after watching the roadmap XD)

    if you HAVE to upgrade, either get a small upgrade, or get intel.
    How long will that take? Is it worth waiting for? Or should I just get a new Mobo and Intel processor now?

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