Stryfe UT3 review + 2 short new videos

[Henrik]

*snip*

When did I say anything about UTComp? If anything, what I said supports the competitive community making their own mods, rather than asking Epic to babysit them and give them everything they want. Seems you contradict yourself.

[wasser]

Dude, back in '99 no one whined about anything...

the "good times" are never quite as good as one remembers. there was most definitely whining back then. i have a horrible memory, but i recall all the whining about x-loc lameness and flak noob spamming and so on. oh, and where's the rail gun?

umm...

"epic please fix" anyone?

[Magwill]

if you read his post at proU and not just the snippets included in this thread you'd see several things:

• he presented his views because of all the folks asking him
• he specifically qualifies his views based upon the conditions of the demonstration. these conditions are:
  1. as noted by others, it's the ageia map designed to showcase the physics, but that he was told the "weapons speeds/damage rates, run speeds, physics of the characters themselves etc were all untouched. ".
  2. this was put on by dell to show off their new laptop with ageia. unfortunately, " their 'monstrous' cards ran it at a cool sub 30 FPS....so it was hard to do much of anything. This alone may sway my opinions of the game so take all of what I write with a grain of salt, this is all based strictly on what I played hands on at this booth. "

and imo, "anti-fanboys" are just as bad as a fanboys (perhaps the two sets can get together and annihilate each other ). it's just some guy giving his view - get over it. no one is in here raving over this guy and his view point. show me a single "fanboy" post in this thread.

bersy, you're completely wrong. before UT there was Unreal and there was definitely a community then.

You really don't see how people accept his opinions as the truth? Someone who directly trusts a "pro" gamer's opinions without criticizing them is a fanboy to me.

I've seen it a lot of times. Perhaps there are just people here that know they think just like him. But from my experience most of the times this kind of stuff happens people just blindly follow someone with supposed credibility.

My tip is still to wait. Your speculation over unbalanced weapons won't really matter anyway since it by 99% chance won't affect the release product.

[wasser]

You really don't see how people accept his opinions as the truth? Someone who directly trusts a "pro" gamer's opinions without criticizing them is a fanboy to me.

so, is anyone who agrees with another person without criticism a fanboy? or is it just those special folks you deem 'pro'. frankly i think the term is tossed out and used so loosely it's nearly meaningless. my own thoughts on this word don't include agreeing with a person without criticism, "pro" or whatever, as being a fanboy.

and please, show me what people accept his opinions as truth with zero qualifications?

[Kronos]

From what I read it sounds like nothing but good news in UT3 to me for the most part.

Only two things I can comment on are the Biorifle and visible skins, which I'm sure they wont be that much of a problem either when the real deal ships.

PS: I cant remember but wasnt it told that this Agiea physics demo did not include the new material for player skins which Epic claims will be in the final build and that it makes skins much more visible?

If so it makes sense why Stryfe commented that they were in need of brightskins(because he didnt get to play with the new skin materials). If not, he at least said they were brighter then UT2k4s which is perfectly fine for me.

[picKLes]

if you read his post at proU and not just the snippets included in this thread you'd see several things:

• he presented his views because of all the folks asking him
• he specifically qualifies his views based upon the conditions of the demonstration. these conditions are:
  1. as noted by others, it's the ageia map designed to showcase the physics, but that he was told the "weapons speeds/damage rates, run speeds, physics of the characters themselves etc were all untouched. ".
  2. this was put on by dell to show off their new laptop with ageia. unfortunately, " their 'monstrous' cards ran it at a cool sub 30 FPS....so it was hard to do much of anything. This alone may sway my opinions of the game so take all of what I write with a grain of salt, this is all based strictly on what I played hands on at this booth. "

and imo, "anti-fanboys" are just as bad as a fanboys (perhaps the two sets can get together and annihilate each other ). it's just some guy giving his view - get over it. no one is in here raving over this guy and his view point. show me a single "fanboy" post in this thread.

bersy, you're completely wrong. before UT there was Unreal and there was definitely a community then.

Thank god some sanity. I hear a lot of complaining, attacks, put downs, etc… All because a man was asked how he felt about a game. Why was he asked over anyone of us? My guess is because he’s put in more time than we have and by most is considered a pro. It always surprises me how easily you can get the community in an uproar. I’m not sure if it’s out of jealousy or insecurities but It’s stuff like this that really puts a damper on the unreal community. How can anyone including Epic take a community serious if we’re constantly attacking each other.

Stryfe gave his honest opinion of how he felt about the game, you can’t knock the guy for that. I mean hell give the guy a little bit of credit he does know a little something about the UT games. So take his review as either honest feedback or take it as a grain of salt either way it’s all part of the review process. Good games get reviewed and reviewed and reviewed and hell reviewed again, and after everything is said and done you go with majority because the bottom line is you’re not going to please everyone. You can only appease the majority and if you’ve reviewed it enough times you can do that with any game. And I think Stryfe and any other true gamer understands that.

You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Stryfe was trying to be part of the solution and give his honest opinion. So my suggestion is quit being part of the problem and be part of the solution without all the name calling, otherwise don’t say anything at all.

[GrimReaper]

Thank god some sanity. I hear a lot of complaining, attacks, put downs, etc… All because a man was asked how he felt about a game. Why was he asked over anyone of us? My guess is because he’s put in more time than we have and by most is considered a pro. It always surprises me how easily you can get the community in an uproar. I’m not sure if it’s out of jealousy or insecurities but It’s stuff like this that really puts a damper on the unreal community. How can anyone including Epic take a community serious if we’re constantly attacking each other.

Stryfe gave his honest opinion of how he felt about the game, you can’t knock the guy for that. I mean hell give the guy a little bit of credit he does know a little something about the UT games. So take his review as either honest feedback or take it as a grain of salt either way it’s all part of the review process. Good games get reviewed and reviewed and reviewed and hell reviewed again, and after everything is said and done you go with majority because the bottom line is you’re not going to please everyone. You can only appease the majority and if you’ve reviewed it enough times you can do that with any game. And I think Stryfe and any other true gamer understands that.

You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Stryfe was trying to be part of the solution and give his honest opinion. So my suggestion is quit being part of the problem and be part of the solution without all the name calling, otherwise don’t say anything at all.

As the ol saying goes "DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!"

Stryfe just told how it is ok? and imho that's awesome!

[picKLes]

As the ol saying goes "DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!"

Stryfe just told how it is ok? and imho that's awesome!

Amen brotha...

[SL3V3N]

tbh, what worries me the most over all this is the simple facts.
Having "Pro" gamers testing the game play is fantastic in some respects, but not in others.
just because they have a title or get recognised everytime they enter a server does not mean they know how well a game should play or how weapons should be used.
What feels great to them, or feels better, could be utterly **** for the rest of the gaming community.

There is so much info that should be taken from the higher skilled players, just simply because they take alot out of the game.

I remeber in the days of the original UT, you got sniped for awhile you would be like "WTF" these days, you have a big bright *** head which you may as well add a big bloody arrow saying "AIM HERE"

I do use competitive mods my self, as i have to learn and adapt to what everyone else wants to use, but the simple sad fact is bright skins takes so much of the thrill out of the game in some respects, yes i know it can still get exciting matches, but there is no more "hiding" there is no more "sneaking" in the sense of being seen, yes i know you can move around rather silently in other UT series.

i personally will always play that is demanded the most, but it breaks my heart to see a game get chopped up, modded up and altered because people cant see for **** :P

personally, i have seen very very FEW "pro" gamers that can do well without all these mods etc, imo it just shows how good they are :S

/end of moan, you can flame me now!

[Lostsoul]

When did I say anything about UTComp? If anything, what I said supports the competitive community making their own mods, rather than asking Epic to babysit them and give them everything they want. Seems you contradict yourself.

Sorry, my bad. I re-read and have realized I took my irritations out on the wrong poster. I went ahead and deleted it and will save it for the correct person.

[Chromatik]

You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Stryfe was trying to be part of the solution and give his honest opinion. So my suggestion is quit being part of the problem and be part of the solution without all the name calling, otherwise don’t say anything at all.

The issue is the what some would consider a "solution" creates a "problem", where originally there was no problem (in the opinion of some not all grant you). Example, I like UT3 the way it seems now. If Epic adds Bright Skins that corrupt the artistic flavor of the game and alters things to a point where it's about competitive skill only and not just general fun for me and others it creats a problem for me where originally things were fine (in my opionion). Just food for thought

[Rentage]

Okay, off of who stryfe is and why we should/shouldn't listen to him and back to what was actually shown/said.

(And yes, this was certainly an older build than what Epic is working on now, so all should be taken with a grain of salt)

Movement: It looks outstanding. Fast, low to the ground, and SOLID. I'm only unhappy that I don't get to see the translocator in there.

Weapons: As for the goo, I've got no problem with it having been boosted. It was the black sheep of previous UT incarnations - a few fans, but mostly ignored. It's been shown off a lot in videos and does seem extremely strong in the primary up close, but so was the UT99 flak. I'll wait and see the demo before judging. A 25-30 second stay time for the secondary blob is excessive only if there aren't several ways to remove it from a distance.

Sniper, shock, link, RL, enforcer, and flak all sound as if they're fine. Stinger may need a boost. These are tweaks, not major rewriting of code, and there's always patches if the community finds a major imbalance/exploit after release.

Armor: Hmmm. 199 health with keg, another 100 with belt, 100-150 armor, and immunity to the first headshot? Even with more damaging weapons, this sounds excessive. Particularly in CTF. Armor control looks to be more important than weapon control in DM.

Is the helmet actually visible on a player who has it? I haven't looked at the videos closely enough to tell.

Visibility: Any indication that the skins aren't visible enough is a concern - but given that he wasn't able to adjust the video settings, I'm not going to get hysterical over it. A little gamma tweaking and a good framerate can do wonders.

[Mort_Q]

The only problem is that the most important part of the message is being lost.

The game Stryfe played wasn't UT3. His observations, however valid, do not really mean anything.

[BeerNut]

personally, i have seen very very FEW "pro" gamers that can do well without all these mods etc, imo it just shows how good they are :S

/end of moan, you can flame me now!

No flames, but I definitely think that you are completely wrong about higher level players "needing" UTComp to do well... A player who is exceptionally good at this game will completely mop the floor with you (or me), regardless of whether they are playing the game stock, or with UTComp.
For reasons that have been discussed at length, most higher-level players typically ONLY play on UtComp servers, as they feel it enhances the game experience... But make no mistake, if I decided to dual Killu on a stock demo server, I would be lucky to not finish with a negative score.

As for the interview, I am taking it with a HUGE grain of salt in that it is obviously an early build, on a level that will not be released by Epic... The only thing that I am a bit concerned with is this helmet, but we'll wait and see I guess.

[nthexwn]

Man... we're all so anxious to get our hands on this game that there's an 8 page thread full of people arguing about things they haven't even seen yet!

Sounds like it's about time to release the demo, eh?