Is the 360 version limited?

[numonex]

yes I read his post and I also commented on it in my post. My problem with that is that 360 users may have to pay $59 for a game with less and then another sum just for the extra content. This is a possibility. If I hear they offer it for free then that is a differant story. Bottom line is that I wont pay $60 for less than the other guy. That constitutes a rip off. Screw core users, offer the maps online for free and i am happy.

[numonex]

Good for you.

But what you don't know is how much of your map pack is actually content you already have available to you. When making a map for an Unreal Engine based game you can reference any item of content from any other package available to you. That package could be a custom mesh or sound in a different map, or a previously compiled package of meshes and textures.

The only content you need in your map pack is the stuff specific to the maps themselves.

As I'm sure you can imagine (being a computer engineer and all) being able to reuse content from multiple sources can bring down file sizes significantly.

Absolutly. This is nothing new in games. some prime examples are some castle walls in Oblivion or even voices though the latter kind of gets annoying since you have umpteen characters in a game that say the same thing with the same voice. LOL. Also i thought 360 was capible of Procedural Geometry or moreso designed around it. From what I know of this method it makes fitting more on less space the norm. the demo game of this process, Kkrieger fits an entire UTlike level in 180kb. yes not a typo, 180kb. here is some info on that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:K...eenshot_01.jpg
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Anyways is this process just used if a developer chooses so and is it not used because of it being more difficult to impliment? Or is it from just porting a single game around. You cannot really port this implimentation to another system that cannot make effeciant use of it so it would have to be a ground up build.

[Molgan]

yes I read his post and I also commented on it in my post. My problem with that is that 360 users may have to pay $59 for a game with less and then another sum just for the extra content. This is a possibility. If I hear they offer it for free then that is a differant story. Bottom line is that I wont pay $60 for less than the other guy. That constitutes a rip off. Screw core users, offer the maps online for free and i am happy.

Ah, that post was more reasonable. =) And I think that what you are asking for is exactly what Epic is trying to make happen.

[numonex]

Ah, that post was more reasonable. =) And I think that what you are asking for is exactly what Epic is trying to make happen.

yes. I wasnt clear in my initial post. Sorry bout that.

[capable heart]

Sooo... does that mean the PC / Mac / Linux versions will also have less content? Because the last time i checked most people didn't had a BD drive in their computers. Heck, a lot of them don't even have a DVD drive.

No, they don't have to worry about that. The computer version will play off the hard drive, which means they can have many discs (CDs or DVDs) to install, and it will all be on the computer hard drive at once. Because the computer version plays totally off the hard drive, this means that disc size limit is not a problem, because they can just use as many discs as they need to carry the install files.

[-VT-]

Sooo... does that mean the PC / Mac / Linux versions will also have less content? Because the last time i checked most people didn't had a BD drive in their computers. Heck, a lot of them don't even have a DVD drive.

...you just can't be serious right? please tell me this question was meant as a joke or you just had a momentary lapse of stupidity. You can't possibly tell me you don't know what a hard drive is/does or that when you INSTALL a game on a PC/Mac it goes on the HARD DRIVE which EVERY single desktop computer has to have in order to operate.

i think I'm going to become insane because of the Internet...i swear...

[Goobers]

HARD DRIVE which EVERY single desktop computer has to have in order to operate.

technically, no.

as it's always been, you could run the OS of some removable medium... early on, you had the entire OS start up on a floppy... then you swapped floppies around depending on what you did... didn't need a HDD. HDDs came a little later. i had an 8088 clone with a whopping 30 MB drive... it was the shnitz!

nowadays... you could have an OS on either a flash drive or a "live" CD/DVD... so you could run without HDDs... but the actual purpose now isn't to run without HDDs... but to be able to run your stuff on any computer without having to "install yourself" into those computers.

like i said though, it's a technicality.

unless you're one of those people that always wants to be "on the go, light and easy"... then you're gonna want a HDD.

on the flipside... anyone that has a "gaming PC" and still doesn't even have a DVD... are turds... need i say more?

[numonex]

Sorry guys. for those interested in procedural geometry games this is the right link, the last one only went to a screenshot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkrieger

The game takes 96kb not 180kb. Sorry about the misinformation

[-VT-]

technically, no.

as it's always been, you could run the OS of some removable medium... early on, you had the entire OS start up on a floppy... then you swapped floppies around depending on what you did... didn't need a HDD. HDDs came a little later. i had an 8088 clone with a whopping 30 MB drive... it was the shnitz!

nowadays... you could have an OS on either a flash drive or a "live" CD/DVD... so you could run without HDDs... but the actual purpose now isn't to run without HDDs... but to be able to run your stuff on any computer without having to "install yourself" into those computers.

like i said though, it's a technicality.

unless you're one of those people that always wants to be "on the go, light and easy"... then you're gonna want a HDD.

on the flipside... anyone that has a "gaming PC" and still doesn't even have a DVD... are turds... need i say more?

sorry i should have put "EVERY single desktop computer that a typical/average person has to have in order to operate."...I mean i was responding to someone who, well you read what he said, do you think he even understands what you just posted .

i just knew someone was going to call me out on that...

[Goobers]

Sorry guys. for those interested in procedural geometry games this is the right link, the last one only went to a screenshot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkrieger

The game takes 96kb not 180kb. Sorry about the misinformation

with that 96KB... what can be done? as the wiki said, most of the space on the DVD from UT2003/2004 isn't from the level information, but from the engine (which runs not only graphics, but physics, audio and AI processes) and textures.

there's a bit more to it than just level generation.

[Goobers]

sorry i should have put "EVERY single desktop computer that a typical/average person has to have in order to operate."...I mean i was responding to someone who, well you read what he said, do you think he even understands what you just posted .

i just knew someone was going to call me out on that...

i'd call people out on grammar... but i'm not that much of a "no soup for you" guy. plus the fact that on gamespot forums, for some reason, the message box will randomly remove spaces from my posts.

as for mr vinnie... i dunno... in reality, i agree that there is/should be some expectation for PC users to have HDDs (hopefully enough to do everything they want at the time).

[!NITRO!]

Kkrieger.. right.. released quite a while back.. and what a leap it has taken....

[Sublime]

Even if UT3 players will be able to download the extra content online. This still leaves a bit of worry because eventually all games will be too large to fit on DVDs. And with game genres such as RPGs, you can't simply download the excess that doesn't fit on disc. Which means sooner or later, Xbox is going to have to start releasing games on multiple discs, or developers are going to have to cut things out.

Whereas the PS3 discs have 50Gb storage and PC users(while perhaps requiring multiple discs) can simply install the game to their HD anyway and only need the discs once.

[Mort_Q]

No. They'll just sell you a knew and better console with the latest greatest storage media.

How long until we go back to having games on cartridges?

[Goobers]

Whereas the PS3 discs have 50Gb storage and PC users(while perhaps requiring multiple discs) can simply install the game to their HD anyway and only need the discs once.

25 GB if you go single layer BR.

No. They'll just sell you a knew and better console with the latest greatest storage media.

How long until we go back to having games on cartridges?

um... XBox 360 Elite?

the reality is... Xbox 360 CAN do all the content that PC and PS3 will... but ONLY if you go with the Elite version since they have 120 GB drives or buy that drive seperately (current price? about $180)... sure you could try to fit it on the non-elite 20 GB hdd... of that 20 only 13 is usable (the "rest" is system space).

but... like i said... for a company to do that, it would mean a "requirements" kinda deal of the 120 GB drive... and you know what happens then? a boat load of people coming on the forums... making just about as much noise as we are.