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  • replied
    Originally posted by Felin View Post
    I miss assault
    From what I've read, you may just like WAR.

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    I miss assault

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    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    I m going to stop you right there. I see you are in Germany. I know the Euro AS community. While they may not be as super cool as the NA, they are still cools guys that are willing to teach people how to play because they know they have a small community. Perhaps you met Mi5 in early 2k4, but you have obviously not try in a long time.
    http://www.mi5clan.com/showsquad.php?Squad=18
    I've been a nuclF member for a while and as AS player you might know the nuclF team joined mi5 as AS squad. I was talking about something that happened a few months ago, not a year or sth.. Of course there are ppl willing to show you tricks and I really learned them in my AS beginning (I wasn't in nuclF at start but many ppl showed me a lot of tricks) but of course they found out new ones after we stopped playing. I would have been willing to learn maybe but as I said: I met too many arrogant ppl and that's why I wasn't willing to learn tricks for a mod I'd be unhappy with because of the unfriendly players out there.

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    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    Funny part is though, a lot of people just vote what others are voting, then they see what it is, and a server will empty fast....sometimes.
    Just like real life... you don't vote for whom you want, you vote for whom you think can beat the one(s) you don't want... at least here in Canada with it's multi-party system.

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    Originally posted by Mort_Q View Post
    Nasty democracy! Tyranny of the Majority!



    I hear you. Really. We've all been there. Not always on the same side of the vote mind you.
    Funny part is though, a lot of people just vote what others are voting, then they see what it is, and a server will empty fast....sometimes.

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    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    Nothing worse than playing a good map then Hellbenderrace35beta26 getting voted because the greenhorns are getting owned on real maps.
    Nasty democracy! Tyranny of the Majority!



    I hear you. Really. We've all been there. Not always on the same side of the vote mind you.

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    Originally posted by Xyx View Post
    Epic could do for Race what they did for VCTF; make the gametype but don't make any maps. The gametype would show up as soon as you'd download a Race map.
    Would work for, that or an all out ban on them :P Nothing worse than playing a good map then Hellbenderrace35beta26 getting voted because the greenhorns are getting owned on real maps.

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    Epic could do for Race what they did for VCTF; make the gametype but don't make any maps. The gametype would show up as soon as you'd download a Race map.

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    Originally posted by B1tchkilla View Post
    I don't think race maps alone ruined assault. Used to play assault a lot and when I came back and tried to learn it again, ppl used too many new tricks you had to learn.

    I though I could really try and learn them again but with all those arrogant AS pros on that server I finally found out it's not the community to be back in again. From three new tries it was always the same which kept me away from ever trying again.
    I m going to stop you right there. I see you are in Germany. I know the Euro AS community. While they may not be as super cool as the NA, they are still cools guys that are willing to teach people how to play because they know they have a small community. Perhaps you met Mi5 in early 2k4, but you have obviously not try in a long time.

    Originally posted by TWD View Post
    That's why I merely point that out, because everyone acts like warfare is going to be the new assault and it's just not going to go down that way. I don't think the assault fans will be at all happy with it. They need their own modded in gametype.
    ^^^
    I, and many others, stated this fact plainly on the old epic forums, all i got was locked threads
    Originally posted by Xyx View Post
    Any map that looks decent. Results may vary, but nearly every Onslaught map can be given a node layout that flows.


    It's Onslaught with a handful of entirely optional features. How can it possibly be harder than Onslaught? It merely has more options.
    Looks mean nothing, this is not msuc.

    If you don't use the optional features, it is ONS then. Objectives are a delicate feature. Don't know how many good maps are ruined by bad objective flow.

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    Server admins could use the vote menu to make a maplist for each predefined voting category. If they put race Maps into the same list where the others are in, too, it's quite obvious ppl will vote the wrong map from time to time

    I don't think race maps alone ruined assault. Used to play assault a lot and when I came back and tried to learn it again, ppl used too many new tricks you had to learn.

    I though I could really try and learn them again but with all those arrogant AS pros on that server I finally found out it's not the community to be back in again. From three new tries it was always the same which kept me away from ever trying again.

    The same thing happened to me with TDM. Ppl said it was all the fault of TAM but in fact TDM was already dead and TAM at least brought back some of the old players and made TDM alive a bit again. During the "near-to-dead" phase I tried to play TDM several times again and there were so many arrogant players which made me stay away from it just like digging their own grave if they do this to all ppl.

    As for the stats I think you should just disable stats if the voting category "race maps" is voted and re-enable if a competitive mod is selected. This is up to the server admins.

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    Originally posted by Xyx View Post
    What I worry about is WAR-darkwalkerraceomgwtfbbq-2-fixx0r-SE.
    That's precisely my worry too. Racing assault games should have been a mod, but since a mod needs to be downloaded separately, it was better for the racers to hijack assault rather than try to set up a race community extenal to the main UT interface.

    So a mechanism of either making mods more accessible and more integrated, or give the very bare bones of what the community is guaranteed to map (classic ONS, assault, racing, freon) a void in the game that they can fill will save a whole lot of confusion 12 months from now.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    And how many of those other ONS maps where actually good?
    Any map that looks decent. Results may vary, but nearly every Onslaught map can be given a node layout that flows.

    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    You think Warfare will be easier to map for?
    It's Onslaught with a handful of entirely optional features. How can it possibly be harder than Onslaught? It merely has more options.

    What I worry about is WAR-darkwalkerraceomgwtfbbq-2-fixx0r-SE.

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    Originally posted by Mort_Q View Post
    I'm not confused. That's what I've been saying; if you don't like WAR you don't have to make an AS mod, just make AS-type maps in WAR. Or, at the very least, try to make the AS map you want.
    Perhaps, but don't you think it would be better for the community to just make an assault gametype anyways? Going along with the same logic from the CTF vCTF battle this would only make sense. That's why I merely point that out, because everyone acts like warfare is going to be the new assault and it's just not going to go down that way. I don't think the assault fans will be at all happy with it. They need their own modded in gametype. Besides I don't think that assault maps will be nearly as hard to make with kismet around now.

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    And how many of those other ONS maps where actually good? YOu think Warfare will be easier to map for?

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  • replied
    Originally posted by Lostsoul View Post
    Illogical thinking.

    Hi Bacon!
    Not really. Proper Assault maps in UT2kx/UT were generally too hard to make.
    ONS Maps were somewhat easier( Which is why there was so much more of them!), they've a consistent underlying gameplay structure that doesn't vary from Map to Map. Warfare uses this as the base of the gameplay with Assault style side objectives. With that underlying structure it should be easier to make Assault style maps in Warfare. Every Assault map had to practically individually reinvent the gameplay for thar map entirely based on a bunch of arbitrary goals.

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