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    I see what you mean, but then aslong as they get it right in UT3, ppl won't need to "waste their energy".

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    Originally posted by MonsOlympus View Post
    I think it'll just open more room for good retail servers running stock settings but perhaps with some custom map packs etc. Thats one thing I have found is most custom servers are like crazy custom where as you cant find many stock servers (here in aus) running the CBP's or UCMP's

    I think it'll help the community alot though because people wont have to go to demo servers because they are populated. When you think about it if those retail players were on retail severs then they would be more populated, I never did understand peoples reasoning for frequenting demo servers if they own the retail.
    Yet this is the ultimate irony of the situation. Lots of people complain about the situation. Enough to have several more populated stock servers. Yet people would rather sit and be mad about it rather than actually do something. Every time I talk about getting some sort of decent CTF pub put together everyone tells me I shouldn't waste my energy. There is no reason that everyone should be putting up with demo servers, and there's no reason that we can't get some of these people onto a new normal weapons CTF server with a few custom maps.

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    what is the advantage in allowing retail owners to play in demo servers anyway?

    as for the argument about "people will still just keep their demo copy next to their retail copy", wtf?

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    Originally posted by fuegerstef View Post
    According to our statistics, 50% of the players on the demoservers of jolt are retail owners. I'd rather see them on retail servers only. You know, Torlan, Rankin and Face get a little boring after 3 years.

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    I might add that we have more than 1800 unique players a day. Force 900 of them to retail servers and things would be much more enjoyable.
    I fully agree, the 2k3 demo maps can be just as boring these days

    I went NO! Its obvious the retail being compatible with the demo was one of the mistakes that 2k3/4 made. I think its good to phase out the demo/retail compatibility but if its gone from the start people might complain less, I also think that official demo servers if there is any should be phased out at the 1-2 year mark anyone buying after that can test the gameplay through the single player components.

    I think it'll just open more room for good retail servers running stock settings but perhaps with some custom map packs etc. Thats one thing I have found is most custom servers are like crazy custom where as you cant find many stock servers (here in aus) running the CBP's or UCMP's

    I think it'll help the community alot though because people wont have to go to demo servers because they are populated. When you think about it if those retail players were on retail severs then they would be more populated, I never did understand peoples reasoning for frequenting demo servers if they own the retail.

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    Originally posted by Daimao View Post
    Nobody here is mentioning it, but there's also many people who have warez copies, which makes demo servers their only choice when it comes to online play.
    Well it's their fault that they didn't pay for their copies. Why should they be allowed to play online if they haven't contributed anything to Epic. Kind of makes those who bought the game a little annoyed that they've paid for the priveleage when there's those online that haven't paid one little bit towards the game or it's developers.

    When the full game comes out I'll swich over from the demo as soon as I have my copy of the game installed and I want to be playing with those that also have the full game.

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    I'd like to see Epic's considered opinion on this, whether they have started thinking about how to go about doing this aspect of the demo yet.

    Please, whatever you do, just don't do what u did for UT2.

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    Originally posted by Tørmentør View Post
    there is a very good reason as to why the "retail" players are on demo servers, the fact that epic allowed demo servers to run indefinetly, most active players in UT2k4 are people with just the demo, so having a lack of retail players on full retail servers makes the players with full game go where the action is: DEMO SERVERS.
    Nobody here is mentioning it, but there's also many people who have warez copies, which makes demo servers their only choice when it comes to online play.

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    Originally posted by Bersy View Post
    we still have people going on Torlan/Primeval only servers and cleaning house with the noobs
    That be a compelling reason to ward off retail owners. Repeatedly getting pwned won't help you buy the full version.

    Originally posted by TWD View Post
    You can't trick people into consistently play a game they don't like.
    But you can trick people into not buying a good game if the demo sucks.

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    I don't want an expiration date on demos. They are classic ways of fostering new players over time, as well as introductory LAN party usage to get people interested in buying the full version of the game.

    That said, I think UT did it best by not having demo/retail compatability. Half the populate servers or more ended up being demo servers, with limited functionality (very vulnerable to cheating) and tiny map rotations. Personally I think this caused one of the biggest problems for the two UT2 versions, right above bots being enabled by default (nobody wants to play bots online, and they skew population numbers) and the sheer unpolished nature of UT2k3. I couldn't get my friends to touch it on LAN parties, but I've had UT on probably every LAN party I hosted, due to it's popularity (and two others that are also chosen by the participants).

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    Originally posted by fuegerstef View Post
    According to our statistics, 50% of the players on the demoservers of jolt are retail owners. I'd rather see them on retail servers only. You know, Torlan, Rankin and Face get a little boring after 3 years.

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    I might add that we have more than 1800 unique players a day. Force 900 of them to retail servers and things would be much more enjoyable.
    there is a very good reason as to why the "retail" players are on demo servers, the fact that epic allowed demo servers to run indefinetly, most active players in UT2k4 are people with just the demo, so having a lack of retail players on full retail servers makes the players with full game go where the action is: DEMO SERVERS.

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    I don't think so.

    It is nice to keep the players together but you have to draw the line somewhere. Things need to change in the retail version that probably wont be changed in the demo.

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  • replied
    Originally posted by {RU}Sirius View Post
    Is there a specific reason you still play the demo? I'd like to think you have the full version. At least by now
    I was in a demo clan, still am technically although the clan is just about dead now. Yeah, I bought the full version, I actually quit demo for a while, played FV non-stop against some of the top clanners, happy days

    Demo was always more of a family though, it's where my UT experience began. v348 will always hold a special place in my heart, and as long as there is a server running, I'll be there

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    I know what the point of a demo is. I find it completely ridiculous that people would still be playing the demo of a 3 year old game (UT2004) let alone a 7 year old game (UT). Talk about cheap. If you can afford to pay for internet you can afford to pay for a game.
    But I do disagree that demos should expire. I just wouldn't waist my time patching them.

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    Originally posted by {RU}Sirius View Post
    Is there a specific reason you still play the demo? I'd like to think you have the full version. At least by now
    Obviously because people can continue to play it for free. Switch between game types now and then (thus allowing play of some different maps) and there's no reason for some people to buy the full game when they can continue to play the demo online for years.

    The ultimate point of a demo (beyond finding initial bugs) is to showcase the game and get people to buy the full version. Isn't it?

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  • replied
    There should be no expiary date on demos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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