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    I wonder if there is a list of maps remade for UT2004 from UT and Unreal? Much like we have a list for UT3 (http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=179498, http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=190436)? Also, is there a map pack(s) for that?

    I remember a nice list being on geeks.beyondunreal.com, but it's no longer working.

    If there aren't any, it would be nice to compile a list and possibly create a pack.

    #2
    I have most of the UT99 map remakes. Could make a list

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      #3
      Okay, if I didn't forget anything, that should be the full list:

      AS:
      AS-Abyss-Lite (remake of OceanFloor but not exactly the same)
      AS-Frigate2k4Finale
      AS-Guardia-2K4-V2 (not exactly the same)
      AS-Overlord2k4 (not exactly the same)
      AS-TheGuardia(2005)

      CTF:
      CTF-CoretClassic
      CTF-EpicBoy2k4
      CTF-EternalCaves-Classic
      CTF-Face][2k4 (a little bit different with the spawnpoints under the tower and instead of the lifts are kickers)
      CTF-FP2-Gauntlet-Classic
      CTF-Hydro2004 (little bit changed)
      CTF-LavaGiant-Classic-v3
      CTF-LavaGiant2 and 4 (version 2 and version 4 are identical - not exactly the same)
      CTF-Niven2051
      CTF-November-CE-2004
      CTF-November-CE-2006 (some textures changed since CE-2004, some shaders)
      CTF-Orbital_Station2k4 (port)

      DM:
      DM-1on1-Oblivion2k4
      DM-1on1-Oblivion(RW)
      DM-1on1-Pyramid2k4
      DM-1on1-Viridian2k4
      DM-{SvL}PhobosClassic (port)
      DM-Agony2k4
      DM-Arcane_Temple2k4
      DM-Barricade][
      DM-Codex2
      DM-Codex2k4 (one of these two remakes has a new design, I think it was 2)
      DM-Conveyor2k4-XGS
      DM-Deck16][2k4-V2
      DM-Deck16S3TC (port, includes Fraghouse Ripper)
      DM-Fractal2004
      DM-FST-SpaceNoxx
      DM-Gothic2k4
      DM-Grinder2k4
      DM-KGalleon2k4 (includes Razorjack, but has the same package names as the Ripper so you have to replace one)
      DM-Liandri2004
      DM-Malevolence2004
      DM-Morbias][2k4
      DM-pressure2
      DM-Pro-Malevolence
      DM-PyramidRedux
      DM-Shrapnel][2k4
      DM-StalwartXL
      DM-StalwartClassic
      DM-StalwartXLClassic
      DM-TDB-Crane
      DM-TDB-HealPod
      DM-TDB-Peak
      DM-Tempest4
      DM-Turbine2k4
      DM-Turbine2004-TE
      DM-Zeto_2k4 (changed version, includes lava and is a space station now)

      DOM:
      DOM-Cidom2k4
      DOM-Cinder2k4
      DOM-Cryptic

      I don't have the cDOM-gametype but I'll check it out and add the missing cDOM-maps
      PS: If I've made any mistakes (wrong map-names/misspelled map-names or anything like) that or forgot to ad a map to the list, please correct me.

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        #4
        Supplemental list with order:


        ==================
        Possibly eligible for BP, has duplicates with post above but non-eligible are excluded:
        AS:
        -> AS-Abyss-Lite [added to the 2004 version]
        -> AS-TheGuardia(2005) (possible duplicate) [added to the 2004 version]

        cDOM (I think it's packed somewhere, too):
        cDOM-1on1-Condemned
        cDOM-Cinder
        cDOM-Condemned
        cDOM-DMP-Arcane_Temple2k4
        cDOM-DMP-Cidom2k4
        cDOM-DMP-Cryptic
        cDOM-DMP-Malevolence2004
        cDOM-DMP-Shrapnel][2k4
        cDOM-Lament
        cDOM-SP1-Sesmar (I made an improved version of this with more SMs and improved paths)

        CTF:
        CTF-BeatitudeClassic
        -> CTF-Command2k3 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the UT2003 version]
        -> CTF-Coret_2003 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the UT2003 version]
        -> CTF-ForestOfGiants (UT2003 compatible) [added to the UT2003 version]
        -> CTF-FP2-Gauntlet-Classic [added to the 2004 version]
        -> CTF-Gauntlet][ [added to the 2003 version]
        CTF-HellOfGiants
        -> CTF-Hydro-16-2k3 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the UT2003 version]
        CTF-UCBP-LavaGiant2
        -> CTF-LavaGiant-Classic [added to the 2004 version]
        CTF-LIP-MojoIII
        -> CTF-Niven2051 [added to the 2004 version]
        -> CTF-NyLeve2 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the UT2003 version]
        -> CTF-Oblivion (UT2003 compatible, AKA CTF-Oblivion2k3) [added to the 2003 version]

        DM:
        DM-1on1-Oblivion2k3 (UT2003 compatible)
        -> DM-1on1-Oblivion(RW) [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-1on1-Viridian2003 [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Agony(DSRemix) [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-Arcane_Temple2k3 (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Barricade][ (possible duplicate) [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-Cinder2 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Conveyor2k4-XGS [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-Deck16]I[ (UT2003 compatible, some layout changes) [added to the 2003 version]
        DM-Elsinore
        -> DM-Gothic2k3 (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-HealPod2003[FuT] (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-KGalleon][ [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-Kgalleon2k (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        DM-LIP-MojoIII
        -> DM-Malevolence ver2 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Morbias2004 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Pro-Malevolence (possible duplicate) [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-Pyramid][ (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Pyramid (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        DM-Radikus][
        -> DM-Shrapnel][2k3 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-SpaceNoxx (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-SpaceNoxx2k3 (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Stalwart][ (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        DM-SunspeakII
        -> DM-TDB-Crane [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DM-TundraMonastery (UT2003 compatible, U1 remake) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DM-Zeto][ [added to the 2004 version]

        DOM:
        -> DOM-Arcane_Temple2k3 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DOM-Cinder2 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        -> DOM-Cryptic [added to the 2004 version]
        -> DOM-Malevolence ver2 (UT2003 compatible) [added to the 2003 version]
        ==================

        ==================
        Not eligible since already in a map pack, but for reference; supplemental only
        CTF (not eligible):
        CTF-Dreary2k4-ce
        CTF-Face][2003
        CTF-Face2003 (no bot pathing, bad staticmesh usage)
        CTF-HallOfGiants2004
        CTF-Hydro_Bases (port)

        DM (not eligible):
        DM-Ariza][2k3 (Direct port)
        DM-Codex][-2nT-
        DM-Conveyor2k4 (not sure if it's different from what you listed)
        DM-Cordon (loosely based on DM-Barricade)
        DM-Crane][
        DM-Deck16][2k4-V2 (duplicate)
        DM-Fractal_2k3 (UT2003 compatible, use DM-Fractal2004 instead)
        DM-Morbias][2k4 (Morbias2004 is superior)
        DM-pressure][ (again, not sure if different)
        DM-pressure2 (duplicate)
        DM-RTNL_part1 (NyLeve from U1, SP actually; requires Satore Monster Pack)
        DM-StalwartXL2003 (UT2003 compatible, possible duplicate; more of a port than a remake)
        DM-Turbine2004-CB
        ==================

        Other map packs:
        http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...p-Pack-Final-1 - UT2004
        http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...UT-Classics2k4 - UT2004
        http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...-Classics2k4-2 - UT2004
        http://www.utmr2003.dk/utforum/threa...=2&author_id=1 - UT2003

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          #5
          A mappack would be nice, maybe to commemorate Unreal Tournament being 10+ years old.

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            #6
            AFAIK there are no mappacks which contain all these nice remakes. I'll check if some maps you listed are the same as those in my list. Can you post a screenshot of Crane][? Would like to know if this is the same map as Teddie Tapawan's.
            And I support the idea of a mappack for UT's 10th anniversary! Maybe I'll be able to finish Overlord very fast so that we can add this to that list.

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              #7

              Not too good in terms of lighting, and meshes are quite boring, so I don't think it's up to UE2 spec, but it's around half way there.

              Are there any map packs that would be remake oriented anyway? I wouldn't want a new map pack to have content from another map pack for obvious obscuring reasons.

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                #8
                Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post

                I wouldn't want a new map pack to have content from another map pack for obvious obscuring reasons.
                Just don't rename the maps.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FewPosts View Post
                  Just don't rename the maps.
                  Uh, what? I meant that if there already is a map pack like that, a new map pack that would include the same maps would be counter productive for both users and creators.

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                    #10
                    Yes but there are no big mappacks which have that many remakes but there are some small ones: http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...-Classics2k4-2 and http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...UT-Classics2k4
                    I would remove the following maps from the list so that we can make a mappack with the best remakes:
                    AS-Guardia-2k4-V2
                    AS-Overlord2k4 because I already make a remake which is more like the original
                    CTF-LavaGiant2 and CTF-LavaGiant4 (v3 is the closest remake of all)
                    one of the CTF-November-CEs - cannot decide yet
                    CTF-Orbital_Station2k4 though it's a lot of fun I wouldn't count ports to remakes
                    one of the DM-1on1-Oblivions, cant decide which.. both are great
                    Dm-{SvL}-PhobosClassic (because it's a port)
                    the Codex Of Wisdom remake with the new style
                    DM-Deck16][S3TC (because it's a port)
                    the Floating Pyramid remake with the tech stuff, because you can drown inside the low gravity field
                    DM-StalwartXL
                    one of the DM-Turbine remakes
                    and maybe DOM-Cryptic (though it looks quite good for a port, size is ok, good lighting, etc) and maybe AS-Abyss-Lite.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sly. View Post
                      Yes but there are no big mappacks which have that many remakes but there are some small ones: http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...-Classics2k4-2 and http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...UT-Classics2k4
                      I would remove the following maps from the list so that we can make a mappack with the best remakes:
                      AS-Guardia-2k4-V2
                      AS-Overlord2k4 because I already make a remake which is more like the original
                      CTF-LavaGiant2 and CTF-LavaGiant4 (v3 is the closest remake of all)
                      one of the CTF-November-CEs - cannot decide yet
                      CTF-Orbital_Station2k4 though it's a lot of fun I wouldn't count ports to remakes
                      one of the DM-1on1-Oblivions, cant decide which.. both are great
                      Dm-{SvL}-PhobosClassic (because it's a port)
                      the Codex Of Wisdom remake with the new style
                      DM-Deck16][S3TC (because it's a port)
                      the Floating Pyramid remake with the tech stuff, because you can drown inside the low gravity field
                      DM-StalwartXL
                      one of the DM-Turbine remakes
                      and maybe DOM-Cryptic (though it looks quite good for a port, size is ok, good lighting, etc) and maybe AS-Abyss-Lite.
                      I fixed CTF-DE-Lava Giant2. It's now CTF-UCBP-LavaGiant2. Much improved, and no glitch anymore. also improved visuals a bit.

                      It'll be out very soon

                      Emerald, why would it be counterproductive to have one pack to choose from instead of 5?

                      Such a pack would be a mainstay like CBP...so I'm not feelin ya on that one my man.

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                        #12
                        Even CBP has volumes. Making one large BP means that people will have to wait ages for it to download, and they don't necessarily want all the maps. Also, since some maps are already in BPs, why do the work that's already been done all over again? It's better to simply make a link to the existing one.

                        OK, so a full list of exclusions:

                        AS:
                        AS-Guardia-2k4-V2 (obsolete)
                        AS-Frigate2k4 (already packed, CMPF)

                        CTF:
                        CTF-2Pyramids][-2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-(2K4)AcidPipeClassic][ (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-CoretClassic (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Dreary2k4-ce (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Drunklet-iGib2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-EpicBoy2k4 (already packed)
                        CTF-EternalCaves-Classic (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Face][2k4 (already packed)
                        CTF-Face][2003 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-HallOfGiants2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Hydro2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Hydro_Bases (not on par)
                        CTF-Lucius2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Mythos-Classic (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-NovemberCE-2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        CTF-Orbital_Station2k4 (not on par)
                        CTF-ThornsClassicBeta (already packed, CMPF)

                        DM:
                        DM-1on1-Viridian2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-1on1-Pyramid2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-1on1-Oblivion2k4 (already packed)
                        Dm-{SvL}-PhobosClassic (not on par)
                        DM-Agony2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Arcane Temple2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-CarPark-DCSE-XL-2K4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Codex][-2nT (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Codex2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Codex2 (obsolete)
                        DM-Conveyor2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Cordon (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Crane][ (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Deck16][S3TC (not on par)
                        DM-Deck16][2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Deck32][-2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Gothic2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Grinder2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Fractal2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-FST-Sacrifice][ (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-FST-SpaceNoxx (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Hypsophobia-UT2k4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Liandri2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Malevolence2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Pressure][ (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-PyramidRedux (map bug)
                        DM-Redeem(2004) (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Shrapnel][2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-StalwartClassic (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-StalwartXLClassic (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-StalwartXL (not on par)
                        DM-TDB-HealPod (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-TDB-Peak (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Tempest4 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-TheDeck2004 (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Turbine2k4 (already packed)
                        DM-Turbine2004-CB (already packed, CMPF)
                        DM-Turbine2004-TE (already packed, CMPF)

                        DOM:
                        DOM-Cinder2k4 (already packed)
                        DOM-Cidom2k4 (already packed)

                        I'll update the list once I (or anyone else) make an audit of more maps. Note that the list is bound to increase due to copyrights and lack of readmes, but hopefully not by much. Since usually readmes follow a copyright template, I believe that a map can be deemed BP-friendly if it says "You MAY distribute this package through any electronic network" as long as there are no other conflicting things written in the readme, and if there is none, then the creator should be contacted.

                        In regards to those other maps Sly listed:
                        Overlord can be in the list, just change it to the new remake. What's up with Guardia? Like FewPosts says, there's an updated LavaGiant, it should just be switched. About November and other duplicates - technically they could all be in, just in different volumes. Or a poll could be made. Codex of Wisdom and Pyramid need a full map name... And for Cryptic and Abyss, I guess I should look at that and see.

                        It would be nice to hear more opinions on the quality of the maps listed (and any new additions to the lists) from others.

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                          #13
                          Okay. The DM-Pyramid remake I would remove is DM-PyramidRedux. AS-TheGuardia(2005) is much better than AS-Guardia-2k4-V2. AS-TheGuardia(2005) is more like the original.
                          Then I would remove DM-Codex2 because it has a new design and no soundtrack.
                          Dm-Codex2k4 is like the original and has the old soundtrack but it has no secret room. The room is not necessary but it is funny. Could add it if you want
                          DM-Deck16][2k4-V2 is in no list as far as I know and it's quite good. The remake is based on Deck17 (a changed version of 17). The only negative aspect is that it has some red lighting like in Deck17. Can change it, if you want. And I'd add CTF-LavaGiant-v3. Awesome remake!

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                            #14
                            OK, updated. My thoughts on DM-Codex][-2nT-: a very nice remake, on par with UE2 standards. Lovely lighting, emitters are impressive (especially given the horrible user unfriendlyness of the particle tools). It's very much in HOLP style, that is, it uses mostly BSP but wisely and it looks slick.
                            About eligibility for BP, it has clan-related textures (although non-intrusive and nicely complimented by emitters) and I can't find the readme. The map data itself, however, says that it was originally created by Dream and enhanced by -WiCkEdNeSs-. If you have a way of contacting them or finding an actual readme, let me know.

                            EDIT: Thoughts on DM-Conveyor2K4: it's en enhanced port. The lighting got a really nice overhaul as far as I can tell, and there are some cosmetic improvements like fire extinguishers scattered around the map. Due to the mood it doesn't feel out of place in UE2, too, although it's technically not on spec. So I have mixed feelings about this one.
                            I don't have a readme and I don't know where to get one. The author is Thomas.B but all the contacts are down.

                            EDIT2: Added DM-Cordon. My thoughts: This DM-Barricade inspired map has excellent quality of visuals. The theme is sort of a mix between Egyptian and Nali, with a lot of custom meshes used (there is practically no BSP by the way), great lighting, torches giving very detailed shadows (the only bad thing is that in one part shadows are green, WTH?) etc. The layout is quite different from DM-Barricade, although the core components are there: two towers, central building, perimeter, whole map floating in space, dangerous areas under the ground near good pickups etc. There are a lot of additions and changes though, for example, Super Shield Pack in a sort of DM-CarbonFire pit style (only without the mover part) and a lot of platforms. So it's really worth checking out and it's a great map, although not very true to the original. So once again I have mixed feeling about it. It's quite the opposite of DM-Conveyor2K4, a middle of the two would make a good map that fits nicely.
                            The readme says nothing about it, other than the fact that it's made by Twrecks. I think he can be contacted, though.

                            DM-Crane][: A remake, but a rather poor one. The lighting is very bland, everything feels unlit. Boxes are very similar to one another, but at least they're SMs. Cranes are teleporters instead of movers, and the hyperlift is a mover instead of teleporters, go figure. The fall-on-this-same-looking-floor-and-you-die-for-no-reason approach is there, but it's true to the original. The layout is quite the same, although cranes feel smaller and not in the right place. So all in all I don't really like it, it's not on par with UE2, although it could be with proper polish.
                            The readme has no permissions, only the fact that it's made by Mad Max.

                            DM-Deck16][2k4: Altered Deck17. The lighting is good (except for the red part, but it contrasts with the rest by giving the Redeemer a more distinct feeling, so it's not necessarily bad), the conversion to slime is well enough. Just the originality isn't much, and Deck is quite overplayed anyway. So I guess while it could be in the BP, it's not a priority.
                            teddabod doesn't list any kind of permissions.

                            DM-Deck32][2k4: Not true to the original and not even intended. Removing from the list.


                            Also, added these maps to my post #4:

                            CTF-Hydro_Bases (reviews say it's a port)
                            DM-Agony(DSRemix)
                            DM-Morbias2004
                            DM-Cordon

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                              #15
                              I don't think this counts necessarily, but I was looking around the ut2003 section of Levels 4 you and came across CTF-Avali Second Edition. It's not a remake of an Unreal map, but rather a homage to Unreal, made to look like one of its levels. It has nice little touches, like replacing the health vials with bandages a la Unreal.

                              http://ut2003.levels4you.com/downloa...w=6117&cat=128

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