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    #31
    Originally posted by blh
    You're wired for aggression, by millions of years of evolution, right down in the lowest most basic levels of your nervous system. Just like every other animal.

    But you have some fancy wiring laid down on top of that primitive stuff, which your primitive stuff uses to take care of business so much more effectively than those other animals do.

    One complication that arises here is that unlike those other animals you can't just go killing and screwing and pooping in the woods and generally enjoying life in blissful ignorance of the facts of your existence. The fact that you're inevitably going to die for example.

    Another glitch is that this fancy wiring of yours, wonderful as it is, ultimately is unable to get answers for the biggest, most problematic questions it enables you to ask. Like, how can you get out of having to inevitably die for example. Or, is there an afterlife to look forward to after that inevitable death of yours, and will they be glad to see you over there. The primitive mind demands answers to such questions. Concepts like good and evil get caught up in the confusion and the primitive mind expects results there as well.

    Well the rational mind just isn't up to all that, and mental turmoil ensues, and so the thinking animal can never happily kill and screw and poop in the woods through rationality alone. Insanity, optimally in the form of religion, from a sociological standpoint, must be resorted to. Thus are explained the mysteries that vex us so.

    So anyway, long story short, this game is, basically, just another insane strategy for dealing with things in general, just like religion or drinking or horror movies or what have you. Everybody's got to do something with their time, and just because it doesn't make perfect sense doesn't mean they want to be irresponsible.

    Some people might object, but then they're crazy too when it comes down to it. I try not to take advice from crazy people.

    Sorry to get all preachy and pseudo academic about it, I just think it's an interesting question.
    Good answer. It makes me feel so simple! And its true! :heart:

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      #32
      Originally posted by Psycho Dad
      Actually I know several people that pretty much live that way. They don't kill other people (as far as I know :weird: ) but they do hunt, poop in the woods, and tend to screw anyone anytime they get the chance. And they don't play video games. Coincidence? I think not.
      Video games, and often the internet itself, is a chance for people to live vicariously through their alter egos. You can't just run out and shoot whoever annoys you in real life, but you can take out those aggressions online in a game of your choice. If you're a mousy little wuss in real life, you can be a tough talking badass online.

      And in case any of you are wondering, I'm the exact same jerk in real life that I am online. No extra spice added, nothing taken away.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Psycho Dad
        Actually I know several people that pretty much live that way. They don't kill other people (as far as I know :weird: ) but they do hunt, poop in the woods, and tend to screw anyone anytime they get the chance. And they don't play video games. Coincidence? I think not.
        It's not the same thing at all. Animals live that way purely by instinct and reflex. They most likely have little if any choice about it, little if any conception of anything beyond that experience.

        Your buddies by contrast had to be indoctrinated into that way of life, or they had to choose it via some philosophical inner journey of their own, whatever it was. That is, they are perfectly capable of living in other ways, unlike animals, and only arrived at this particular mode via some, basically insane, process of reconciliation between their primitve and thinking minds.

        They have access to all sorts of these abstract conceptions I speak of that no other animal has. However they characterize them, their experiences are not those of animals, and never can be.

        That is to say, while they can ape the lifestyles of animals, they cannot, in my own words, do so "in blissful ignorance of the facts of their existence." Only animals can do that.

        Sorry you weren't able to understand that the first time. I blame
        the school system.

        Most of the deer murdering fiends I meet tend to be relatively civilized folks though. You must live in Deliveranceland. Hope you
        didn't have to sell the mule to buy that there computer.

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          #34
          Don't you mean that THER computer?

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            #35
            I can't claim to be an expert on them. I only depend on these people for cheap firearms and survival bunker construction tips. I for one will be ready for y2k.

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              #36
              Originally posted by blh
              It's not the same thing at all. Animals live that way purely by instinct and reflex. They most likely have little if any choice about it, little if any conception of anything beyond that experience.

              Your buddies by contrast had to be indoctrinated into that way of life, or they had to choose it via some philosophical inner journey of their own, whatever it was. That is, they are perfectly capable of living in other ways, unlike animals, and only arrived at this particular mode via some, basically insane, process of reconciliation between their primitve and thinking minds.

              They have access to all sorts of these abstract conceptions I speak of that no other animal has. However they characterize them, their experiences are not those of animals, and never can be.

              That is to say, while they can ape the lifestyles of animals, they cannot, in my own words, do so "in blissful ignorance of the facts of their existence." Only animals can do that.

              Sorry you weren't able to understand that the first time. I blame
              the school system.

              Most of the deer murdering fiends I meet tend to be relatively civilized folks though. You must live in Deliveranceland. Hope you
              didn't have to sell the mule to buy that there computer.
              I was just joking. Sorry you weren't able to understand that.

              Every state in the US offers some form of game hunting, including Hawaii. You live a surprisingly sheltered life if you think hunting only takes place in "Deliveranceland".

              You also have a very simple understanding of animals if you think that they are not self-aware. They have social structures, they play, they grieve for their dead, they dream, they learn and adapt, they have emotions, and some even use tools. The thought processes required to do these things are complex and not simply instinctive or reflexive.

              How do you know animals do not have abstract thoughts and conceptions? How do you know a lion doesn't watch a Cheetah run and think to itself, "****, I wish I could run that fast!".

              Naw, ah steel gots da mule. :toothless grin:

              And by the way I do not hunt, but in your case I would be willing to make an exception. Run prey.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                I was just joking. Sorry you weren't able to understand that.
                You're supposed to use a smiley when you joke. I don't use them because I'm never joking, ever. This is the first time I've ever even had to use italics.

                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                Every state in the US offers some form of game hunting, including Hawaii. You live a surprisingly sheltered life if you think hunting only takes place in "Deliveranceland".
                [/B]
                Now see here is a perfect example of how you're just not very observant. You probably shouldn't hunt because I think some of those crafty animals would sneak right up on you.

                I said I meet these despicable deer murderers all the time, and they're real nice folks, mostly, even though they mostly prefer those tedious RPG type video games. Never could get through one of those. So I figured you must be dealing with some serious barefoot, unshaven, red flannel longjohns over raggedy overalls wearing, double barrel shotgun full of carpet tacks and rock salt toting, moonshine still guarding, I'm-My-Own-Grandpa singing, Robert Heinlein cloned, natural born backwoods astrogators there. Those guys are like ninjas.

                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                You also have a very simple understanding of animals if you think that they are not self-aware. They have social structures, they play, they grieve for their dead, they dream, they learn and adapt, they have emotions, and some even use tools. The thought processes required to do these things are complex and not simply instinctive or reflexive.
                [/B]
                It's a question of relative degree. Sure you can get a chimp to use sign language or order a pizza if you have to. They might even experience some feeble shadow of the same cognitive difficulties I was talking about back there somewhere that humans go through. But compared to what goes on inside peoples' heads you might as well say they're just not in the running. There is no comparison.

                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                How do you know animals do not have abstract thoughts and conceptions? How do you know a lion doesn't watch a Cheetah run and think to itself, "****, I wish I could run that fast!".
                [/B]
                Again it's a question of relative degree. You can wonder if lions might have an odd thought once in a while, but it's totally obvious they're not thinking at anywhere near the level of sophistication that humans are.

                How do I know that? Because their abilities to adapt and innovate are so demonstrably feeble compared to ours. No lion or chimp or any other animal has the ability to adapt on its own from its natural enviornment to any number of arbitrarily different enviornments the way humans can. This is the only test that matters. This is what is unique about human beings.

                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                Naw, ah steel gots da mule. :toothless grin:
                [/B]
                Well I hope he's never outwitted you.

                Originally posted by Psycho Dad
                And by the way I do not hunt, but in your case I would be willing to make an exception. Run prey. [/B]
                You don't scare me. I'm lethal with all kinds of imaginary weapons.

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                  #38
                  wow good question and I didn't even read all the answers yet, just had to respond

                  but I did read the first response and number three jumped right out at me

                  one second

                  3. Seeing representations of human beings being shredded, shot up and blown to bits again and again and again desensitizes us, thus ameliorating the fear of death
                  fear of death! :up:


                  also the reason for religion.........

                  nice one Discord

                  but I would go with fun fun fun fun

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                    #39
                    Re: Have you ever thought about it?

                    Originally posted by FlakDino454
                    The point of Unreal Tournament 2004: slaughter. massacre. unholy carnage.
                    True dat.

                    Why?
                    Because it's good "clean" fun. Nobody in RL gets hurt, unless you count getting a sore trigger finger from using your mouse too much.

                    How is this appealing to the human mind... and how come so many ppl who play this are real life pacifists?
                    For a guy whose job is to ensure that a couple of dozen 1000 lb bombs strike a time critical target, I'd say that I'm not a pacifist. I also believe in capitol punishment. I do not, however, believe in random violence or unnecessary violence.

                    Why is slaughter considered fun?
                    I can't answer that one, because I'm usually the one getting slaughtered.


                    IMO, it is fun... me likes seeing gibs
                    Gibs are good, mmkay?

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                      #40
                      Crotale does that mean you work for the military???

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                        #41
                        Yes.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Crotale
                          Yes.
                          thats awesome!!!:up:

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by blh
                            You're supposed to use a smiley when you joke. I don't use them because I'm never joking, ever. This is the first time I've ever even had to use italics.
                            I did use a smilie - take note of the winking smilie at the end indicating that I was jesting. That was not very observant of you to miss that and then go on to complain about me not using it.

                            And congrats on your first use of italics. What a milestone for you.

                            As for the rest, meh. Whatever. I'm not nearly as bored now as I was when I replied to you in the first place. Perhaps I'll actually come back and read your whole post if I ever get that bored again.

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                              #44
                              Oh no, he didn't get my hilarious joke.

                              Guess I'm some kind of slick hick now. Pardon me while I bone a farm animal.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by blh
                                ... serious barefoot, unshaven, red flannel longjohns over raggedy overalls wearing, double barrel shotgun full of carpet tacks and rock salt toting, moonshine still guarding, I'm-My-Own-Grandpa singing, Robert Heinlein cloned, natural born backwoods astrogators there. Those guys are like ninjas.


                                Originally posted by blh
                                Again it's a question of relative degree. You can wonder if lions might have an odd thought once in a while, but it's totally obvious they're not thinking at anywhere near the level of sophistication that humans are.

                                How do I know that? Because their abilities to adapt and innovate are so demonstrably feeble compared to ours. No lion or chimp or any other animal has the ability to adapt on its own from its natural enviornment to any number of arbitrarily different enviornments the way humans can. This is the only test that matters. This is what is unique about human beings.
                                This is not a valid test and can't be used as cientific proof. First of all it's not universal, if so there would be micro organisms more sophisticated than humans. It's allso very etnocetric and don't have an objective wiev on different ways to react on a mind process. Humans as a specie have outstanding capabilitys to adept to new situations, but u can't draw conclutions from that on an individual level. If u look at all humans as a big herd, we are just as predictable as all other animals. U sound like u have taken your sociology classes so u might hammer me in the head with Durkheim and other old goofs now.

                                Personally I play UT for the thrill I once felt when I was an active athlete. An injury put an end to it, but after a while I found that I could get the same kick out of beating a skilled player in UT as I got from humiliating an opponent on the track. Sadly the ladies where more interested of my athletic skills than my UT skills..

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