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    #46
    Did the test server once too. 200ms and more (I'm european). It was iG something I normally don't play in ut2k3 and the drsin went down quite alot.

    Death doesn't matter in CTF/BR which is pretty much what I always run. It also depends on how much of a crunch I'm under programming wise. Funny story, I was playing on a FACE 3 server and I was hunting their FC who was running like a *****.. something that's easy to do on Face 3. There was one guy on the other team that everytime I went after the FC, would attack me and since I wasn't really paying any attention to him usually end up killing me. Each time he would make this off handed comment along the lines of "bah.. you suck SiN". Of course I finally was able to take out their FC and we got the cap.

    He was so proud and I just chuckled as we won 5 to nil. Love DM'er playing CTF.

    So if you do the math, let's say that andrew takes sin out 20-10 for example then that andrew would make a good clanner, but certainly not pro.

    Actually, Andrew usually beats me 20 - 1 or 2. I haven't been a DM player in years so I don't bother doing things like timing power ups, etc.

    For example, I bet not a single top player has less than 100 clanwars as experience. And why would some play-for-fun graphic designer from Epic be any different?

    So by your example, without 100's of hours of practicing in game design your suggestions and ideas are have little meaning.. hmm...

    It's also assumes that none of us have clan and/or "professional" tournament experiance which is also wrong.

    Oh, and I secretly played some of the best in the world while they warmed up at the CPL last year. While I doubt I could manage but a frag or two in DM, I'd put Andrew very close to their level.

    CTF is easy you can blame the loss on others.

    Spoken like a true DM player. Of course a real CTF player knows the team shares the defeat. Hence the word TEAM.

    DM NW is where you truly see just how skilled someone is.

    Or rather DM NW is where you truly see just how well someone can time an item.

    BTW IG sux! Not because I am no good(quite the contrary) but because it is boring. No variety. I played the hell out of it in UT however but it was a little challenging because of the air control.

    Matter of opinion I guess. NW DM is so what 8 years ago?

    wanna play you... 1v1 ... in CTF-1on1-Joust!

    Sure, soon as the game ships.. if I can't convince them to put Joust in the demo (doubtful).

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      #47
      Originally posted by poobeard
      Iv'e played DrSin too. On the *ICE* iCTF server. He ripped up the server. No one else came close to his scores. 'Cept me j/k
      Hmmm... That said tho, he was testing his new aimbot at the time...
      Well we got the demo so we're gonna send it to Epic and get his key banned:up:

      *edit-
      Originally posted by DrSiN
      [B]NW DM is so what 8 years ago?
      :haha: :up: The man speaks!
      So it's true, NW realy does suck ***! I love you Sin :cry:
      *Please exuse me, I'm a little drunk

      Originally posted by FireCrack
      I palyed Mysterial once, he got pwnt. Well mby cause that was his first time on the server and it was RPG.
      Lol. Thats no excuse though, he made RPG:haha:

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        #48
        Originally posted by DrSiN
        So by your example, without 100's of hours of practicing in game design your suggestions and ideas are have little meaning.. hmm...

        It's also assumes that none of us have clan and/or "professional" tournament experiance which is also wrong.

        Oh, and I secretly played some of the best in the world while they warmed up at the CPL last year. While I doubt I could manage but a frag or two in DM, I'd put Andrew very close to their level.
        You often accuse me of putting words in your mouth. Maybe you should listen to yourself more in this case.

        But yes, a player with lots of experience and knowledge of the game do generally have better suggestions than new players (ofcourse there are exceptions).

        But why don't arrange a small tournament:
        - the 4 best 1-on-1 player from Epic against the 4 best 1-on-1 player from NA in a double elimination tournament?
        - the best NA CTF team against Epic.
        - the best NA DM team against Epic.

        Record demos and broadcast the game with UTV. It would be a fun event to spectate (although personally I am pretty sure I know how it will end).

        You can even hold it one month after the release of UT2004. That will give you a 6 months headstart in experience against the players, and you will need that.

        /Kronon

        PS: yuack, I am suggesting PR stunts to Epic *bleh*

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          #49
          :haha: @ this thread ....

          Enjoyed the review though, and it's funny to hear the 'tards come out in force :up:

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            #50
            Originally posted by DrSiN
            [B]

            Sure, soon as the game ships.. if I can't convince them to put Joust in the demo (doubtful).

            nahhh.. dont put joust in the demo, it will freak everyone out if they see that map in there

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              #51
              Originally posted by SealClubber
              nahhh.. dont put joust in the demo, it will freak everyone out if they see that map in there
              Isn't joust the map with 2 rooms and a straight corridor between?

              Actually, that map could be fun, but please don't include it in the demo. A regular 1-on-1 map (or a bigger map thats suited for 1-on-1 as well) would be nice though, together with a normal DM map, and something for ONS and CTF.

              /Kronon

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                #52
                Originally posted by Kronon
                - the 4 best 1-on-1 player from Epic against the 4 best 1-on-1 player from NA in a double elimination tournament?
                - the best NA CTF team against Epic.
                - the best NA DM team against Epic.
                4 best NA...?

                Who is NA? North American? It's late and I'm sleepy heh.

                I think since all this centers around Andrew it would be unfair to try to draw SiN in just because he decided to reply into the thread. In fact I think it's also unfair to go after Andrew since it's not like he came in here bragging about himself.

                A lot of skill is more than just item timing and control, but map knowledge and how to get around and which weapons to use in different situations. When UT first came out I played a handful of DM maps but switched to DOM for a couple months then CTF ever since. I joined the GTF 1on1 Tourney and I realized I didn't have a clue how to fight in most DM maps. I'd get schooled by lesser skilled players just because they knew the entire map, items, etc.

                I'm a great CTF player and a good DM player. I'm better at 1on1 DM than normal DM because that's what I prefer playing, on the few maps in DM I actually like playing. My problem is, like many others, that I prefer one gametype (CTF in my case) and I suffer in DM maps and in other gametypes because quite frankly I'm lost or don't know my way around. The best players in the world still have to learn the maps for that skill to be fully realized.

                IMRO.

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                  #53
                  Yes, NA is North America. And its not like I invented that shortname

                  I just thought it would be cool with a tournament between the best NA players and the best from Epic. Ofcourse the Epic guys would lose, except possible in one of the new gametypes since they have a lot more training in those.

                  But sadly, Epic is extremely bad at this kind of community support. ID had a event about 6 years ago for Quake 1 with a Ferrari as first prize. Epic could learn a few things from them.

                  /Kronon

                  PS: in case you don't know, I am neither from NA nor a top-player, so I am not suggesting this for some personal reasons.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by DrSiN

                    Matter of opinion I guess. NW DM is so what 8 years ago?

                    Way to support your product. :up:

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by DrSiN
                      Matter of opinion I guess. NW DM is so what 8 years ago?
                      if you're fed up with gaming, why bother pretending like you care?

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Kronon
                        No, I wonder why. In UT I played CliffyB, Inoxx and even Mark. You know, they joined servers just to play us mortals for fun. A classic was in UT when me, Willhaven, FYM_Satan, FYM_Sicko and CliffyB played LMS. Ofcourse my ping wasnt that great (NA server, on a ISDN line from Sweden).

                        But you can't become really skilled unless you train and compete against other skilled players. This is the same in every sports btw.

                        Nothing stops you from dreaming about how skilled you are though

                        /Kronon
                        i remember those days

                        satan was insane...

                        i believe cliff called me a "camping fu*kstick" that day



                        mysterial, andrew, and stu are all really good...

                        all good shots...

                        i cant hit ANYTHING these days... but im good at the game nonetheless. i may not be able to remove a head on command... but i can take objectives and destroy power cores like nobodys business

                        but i only won once in DM so far

                        there is almost the entire cross section of gamers here at epic. very hardcore players, great players, typical online players, and the people who play the game only for playtests

                        i used to live unreal and UT in my late highschool/early college days...

                        much fun was had in the UT LMS days... hunting down campers... MASSIVE rivalries... map exploits... ahhhh... teh mammaries...

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by willhaven
                          much fun was had in the UT LMS days... hunting down campers... MASSIVE rivalries... map exploits... ahhhh... teh mammaries...
                          You want some fun these days, try Excessive CTF or BR
                          Get a 4v4 with people who really know the mod and you get some wild matches
                          And yesssss.... enjoy teh mammaries... my precisoussssssssss

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by poobeard
                            Lol. Thats no excuse though, he made RPG:haha:
                            Ehrm, yes it is... if it was his first time on the server, his stats would have been way lower than everyone elses

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by X0n3r0g
                              Way to support your product. :up:
                              I'm the guy that supports the other game mods.

                              if you're fed up with gaming, why bother pretending like you care?

                              Who says I'm fed up. DM just doesn't do it for me. There are people here who still enjoy it. The other game mods are much more fun in my opinion. Note the word opinion.

                              Sheesh.

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                                #60
                                DrSin - don't waste your breath... it doesn't matter what you say or do to your games, they'll always be someone on the forums trying to bring you all down a peg or two...

                                <tangent>
                                OMG - my dog keeps leaking farts below me... :cry: my eyes... .they're burning...
                                </tangent>

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