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Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

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  • Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

    Edit:
    PS: This poll is not about changing all of UT2004, that's not
    going to happen anyway (even though it might be better for the
    game), it's about adding an optional gametype that people can
    play when they want (redundant, yes, but neccessary). Get it now?



    Since a lot of people weren't too pleased with how UT2003 turned
    out, but some loved it the way it was, I think it's time for my
    official request for a "real" UT-like gametype for UT2004.

    The goal would be to get some of the huge crowd of UT-players
    playing UT2004, as well as shutting up all "UT99 whiners" once
    and for all. Now how can you resist that?


    The basic flaws people have mentioned with UT2003 were:

    1) too slow ("slow motion") run and fall-speed (adjusted for long dodges)
    2) too big maps in relation to character scale (adjusted for long dodges)
    3) too complex movement system for newbies
    4) too weak weapons (also making it harder for newbies)
    and finally:
    5) too fancy/over-detailed graphics in relation to gameplay.


    After discussing this subject on INA the last 9-10 months (!), my
    simple suggestions to solve these "problems" in an UT-like
    gametype are these:

    1-3) Remove dodgejumping. But then you also need maps:
    Just to get the show started; make 2-3 simple maps with the old
    hallway-design of Q3 and UT, adjusted for simple dodging.
    Increase gamespeed slightly (10%).

    4) Increase the strengths of some weapons (shock combo,
    sniper frequency, ++) Then, like in good UT/Q3-maps; Place
    weapons to get weapon balance
    ; ie stronger weapons on
    exposed locations like you've done with the redeemer.

    5) Less "screaming"/fancy graphics? Solve that by simply not
    using too much time on designing these few maps. Try going for
    the "duller" palette (ref CS, BF1942, UT etc).


    My main point is: For an UT99 mod/gametype, you need the
    faster movespeed and some weapons to be extra powerful to
    get that UT/Q3 arcade-like fragfest feel, but most of all you
    need new, smaller maps for shorter dodging.


    I personally know I would love and praise Epic for eternity if they did this and did it properly.

  • #2
    Epic will NOT make a come back to old UT style. As they said, UT2004 is UT2003 with more cool stuff. I never played UT99, but I sure like most of the stuff of UT2003 and I'm pretty sure if Epic change the game for Hardcore UT99 player, they will not be any happier.

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    • #3
      Actually, I need....

      ...a new game to have something new. I really don't want to play UT forever just because some people don't like UT2k3. I enjoy it, and would like even more novel changes to be put into UT2k4. As I've said before, the games are meant to be different. If Epic was trying to make UT with better graphics, they would have done so already. Clearly, they're trying to make something a bit more creative with their engine.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LockNLoad
        Epic will NOT make a come back to old UT style. As they said, UT2004 is UT2003 with more cool stuff. I never played UT99, but I sure like most of the stuff of UT2003 and I'm pretty sure if Epic change the game for Hardcore UT99 player, they will not be any happier.
        Read the poll m8!

        It's not about changing UT2004 to be like UT99, it's about
        adding an extra gametype so that those who want the old UT99
        gameplay can play that every now and then with upgraded
        graphics and new player models.

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        • #5
          Re: Actually, I need....

          Originally posted by CellBlock
          ...a new game to have something new. I really don't want to play UT forever just because some people don't like UT2k3. I enjoy it, and would like even more novel changes to be put into UT2k4. As I've said before, the games are meant to be different. If Epic was trying to make UT with better graphics, they would have done so already. Clearly, they're trying to make something a bit more creative with their engine.
          Well, UT2003 was different, but it failed miserably. There are still
          (one year after release) only half as many playing UT2003 as there
          are playing UT99. So it seems not everyone agrees with you that
          forcing novelty on all fields - including gameplay - is a good thing.


          But back to the point: This was meant as an optional (on the side)
          mod that the people who liked UT99 can choose to play when they want.

          (Thus stopping the UT99 vs UT200x debate once and for all)

          It would also be a new thing in the UT200x series..

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          • #6
            Re: Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

            All of your suggestions require new maps (as well as a different approach to mapping). And I don't think the whole UT1 crowd will switch to UT2k4 even if this mod was in, that's just not going to happen. in fact, I strongly doubt even half will make the switch. I mean, they're playing UT1. Why would they want to play "the other UT1"? What has it got to offer UT1 doesn't? (apart from being very well CD-key protected, having slightly better graphics that you actually wanted toned down... and a complete lack of maps)
            What I'm going to say has been said before. It's a really lame remark, and you probably won't like to hear it again. However, it is very true. If you want UT1... it's already there: go play it!
            I think the extra copies this mod would sell would certainly not be worth the time spent making it.

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            • #7
              [stock answer]
              go and play UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament if you want UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament gameplay. after all its not the updated/dx8 gfx that make a game after all now is it.
              [/stock answer]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Guyver3
                [stock answer]
                go and play UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament if you want UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament gameplay. after all its not the updated/dx8 gfx that make a game after all now is it.
                [/stock answer]

                Well said!:up:

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                • #9
                  The production of such a mutator assumes that everyone who plays UT will migrate over to UT2004 without question, which ain’t never gonna happen.

                  All it would achieve is spread the existing UT-only fanbase across two games, giving lower player numbers for UT and a tiny minority playing UT2004 + Mutator.

                  If you want UT, play UT. Please.

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                  • #10
                    I think that if we keep beating this dead and mutilated horse a couple hundred more times, then maybe they'll do it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

                      Originally posted by Boksha
                      All of your suggestions require new maps (as well as a different approach to mapping). And I don't think the whole UT1 crowd will switch to UT2k4 even if this mod was in, that's just not going to happen. in fact, I strongly doubt even half will make the switch. I mean, they're playing UT1. Why would they want to play "the other UT1"? What has it got to offer UT1 doesn't? (apart from being very well CD-key protected, having slightly better graphics that you actually wanted toned down... and a complete lack of maps)
                      What I'm going to say has been said before. It's a really lame remark, and you probably won't like to hear it again. However, it is very true. If you want UT1... it's already there: go play it!
                      I think the extra copies this mod would sell would certainly not be worth the time spent making it.

                      I second that comment

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                      • #12
                        Re: Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

                        Originally posted by danseko
                        Edit:
                        (even though it might be better for the game),
                        I stoped there.

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                        • #13
                          If you put in some neutral choices i would vote on the poll.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Would you like an UT-emulating gametype for UT2004? (Poll & Sugg. for Epic included)

                            Originally posted by Boksha
                            All of your suggestions require new maps
                            Hm! New maps are indeed part of the suggestion..? *shrug*

                            And I don't think the whole UT1 crowd will switch to UT2k4 even if this mod was in, that's just not going to happen. in fact, I strongly doubt even half will make the switch.
                            That half is the amount of people playing UT2003 now!

                            I mean, they're playing UT1. Why would they want to play "the other UT1"? What has it got to offer UT1 doesn't?
                            Better graphics, TTM, new maps, new models?

                            What I'm going to say has been said before. It's a really lame remark, and you probably won't like to hear it again. However, it is very true. If you want UT1... it's already there: go play it!
                            Yes it is indeed a lame (and pointless) remark, so why make it??
                            UT2003 split up the original UT players in two parts: 1/3 went to
                            UT2003 and 2/3 stayed with UT.
                            How beneficial do you think that is for an online game?

                            I think the extra copies this mod would sell would certainly not be worth the time spent making it.
                            Then let the UT2003 vs UT flamewars continue and UT2004 die.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Guyver3
                              [stock answer]
                              go and play UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament if you want UT99/UT1/Unreal Tournament gameplay. after all its not the updated/dx8 gfx that make a game after all now is it.
                              [/stock answer]
                              Wow what a genius you are!
                              With toned down graphics I didn't mean 1999 level of graphics,
                              there might be something in between 1999-2003 maybe?

                              Also, UT2003's brand of "really cool graphics" is all about just
                              adding more and more polygons, however the polygons just
                              have separate textures which don't make the whole look credible/good.

                              So yes, we could definitely loose some of that.

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