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    Yeah, I spotted that too after I re-checked the link, I hope it won't have too much bearing on the final results, but at the moment the x700 is looking like the most likley candidate.

    They don't sell it in the US you say? Hmm, that's weird, it might pay for me to ring them up on Monday & just double check it's not just an error in the text.

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    Too bad they dont sell that AGP x700 in the US. That seems to be a good deal.
    Although I notice those benchmark links show a x700 XT, not a plain x700. So performance may be lower with a plain x700.

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    Yup, I'm talking about an AGP version of the x700. *goes to double-check the link I posted*

    Phew, yeah I didn't read the text wrong - it is an AGP card, & the Rad 9800 & Geforce are both in agp versions too.
    You're right though, my current machine doesn't support pci-e.

    150 notes is just a touch more than I'd be willing to spend on a gfx card for this machine (even if money was little object), to me it's worth about 80 quid for a decent game of UT04, but I'm not looking to spend a large amount really.

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    Your mobo will either support AGP or PCI-E, you cant decide between the both when you own a AGP Mobo.
    I'd also stick for the 6600GT, it owns the 9800 imo . Theres also 6800GT's on overclockers.co.uk for £150, the last I saw.

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    Hey, thanks for all the advice so far, you don't know how helpful it's been.

    Anywhoo, how 'bout this?
    I'm stuck between the Rad 9800pro 128mb, or the Geforce 6600 256mb.

    On those benchmark tests on Tom's Hardware, the radeon beats the newer Geforce by a fair margin, but most reviews I've read, online and in mags seem to favour the Geforce.

    The prices are about the same, so basically it comes down to anyone with real experience of the two cards, since I can't make my mind up just going by the specs.
    My gut feeling would be to go with the Radeon, since I can find much more material about it's performance, but of course I'm not closed to suggestion.
    I'll leave it until monday (it's saturday now) & see if I can't find any direct comparisons of the two cards anywhere.

    Ps: I'm currently reading a review for the 256mb radeon x700.
    It's being compared to the Geforce 6600gt (which is just out of the range I'm willing to pay atm), & while it's looking awfully nice, I obviously respect people's direct experience, more than a writer using a pumped-up review machine.

    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._vs_mid/6.html
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._vs_mid/7.html
    Although I understand these are pci-e benchmarks & I'll be getting the agp vers if I do choose this one.

    http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=93266
    (link to rad x700 agp)

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    well, the 9600 is faster than a fx5200, but look here- they are both near the bottom of this benchmark list...

    check NO AA/ NO AF
    http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...charts-05.html

    5200 @ 46fps
    9600 @ 65fps

    not sure if its worth it to do such a minimal upgrade...

    now a 9600PRO is almost TWICE as fast as the 5200
    9600pro @ 94fps, but is about 30-50 more than the regular 9600...

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    True, I'm just talking in general. It' s never really been a priority to me to keep up to date in any organises way, as long as i can play the games I want to sooner or later.

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    9600 isn't bleeding egde It's wasn't even avrange 2 years ago.

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    Heh heh, ever since quake 2 I've never played "cutting edge" games.
    I spent a year before upgradeing for Mechcommader (yeah, I neeed to upgrade to play a RTS), I owned Unreal for over 6 months before I could actually play it.

    I've never been too fussed about being on the bleeding edge, as long as i get to play the games eventually.
    However, I'm starting my computing degree next year, &it's the perfect excuse to talk myself into buying a brand-spanking, top 'o the mornin' to ya PC, but for the time being my 1.3g athlon is doing ok.

    Just part from bloody UT..
    So, any more takers to beat the radeon 9800 at this kinda price range?
    Thanks for all the advice so far

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    If your that bad off then upgrade now. IMO it would be worth playing at high rez with everything on high.

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    Oh, then I understand. I thought your comp was in the mid range and not the subliminal range.

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    Fair enough, I understand what you're saying & normally I'd agree with you completely.
    However, once I splosh the dosh on my new machine (actually, most likley January, when prices should be a *little* lower, although it's entirely possible, if not my wish, that I'll have to use this machine well into '06), shelling out for the card will be the last of my problems

    Plus, the main problem is I can't play UT2004 very well now.
    At best I'll not be able to play for 6 months, maybe even longer.
    I'm getting 20 quid for the old geforce from a mate (ho ho), so to be fair it's not as much as it seems.
    *EDIT* A mate who only has pci slot onhis main board, just in case you were wondering..

    My main priority is to get a half-decent game for the time-being, getting about 20 to 30fps online at 640x480 with everything turned off (I **** you not) is not the way to play UT.

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    Hint: save up some more.

    The 9600 is a midrange card from 3~ generations ago.

    I hardly think you need the card NOW so wait a month or two and you will get alot more bang for your buck.

    You will be forced to replace that 9600/9800 long before it's time. Wait alittle more and you can get a card that will last more than twice the time.

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    Hmm, that would leave me with just 15 pounds to lastme for the end of thew week..

    *goes & checks reviews*

    ...

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  • replied
    Maybe you should go for a 9800 instead. The 9600 is kind of old.

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