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[legacy-vrxGz]

Originally posted by lxskllr
+Case $50
+OS $90
+psu $50

$132.47 over budget, try again

Afaik, Dell doesn't charge for OS... so comparitively, that shouldn't be factored in.

You can get both a good case and PSU for $30 each, and if you search around for sales long and hard enough, you'll be able to get both in a combo package for $35.

I believe that puts her under-budget, again.

[toniglandyl]

why do you need a case?
case is only fancy stuff.

[legacy-lxskllr]

Originally posted by vrxGz
Afaik, Dell doesn't charge for OS... so comparitively, that shouldn't be factored in.

You can get both a good case and PSU for $30 each, and if you search around for sales long and hard enough, you'll be able to get both in a combo package for $35.

I believe that puts her under-budget, again.

You're charged for the OS even if it isn't on a separate invoice, it's still factored into the cost.

You can't get a good case and psu for $30 each. I gave the minimum prices that could be found that would aproximate Dell quality.

Dells 250w power supply is second to none. I pushed mine well passed the limit with a Bfg 6800oc overclocked even further, 3 added case fans, 2 harddrives, 2 optical drives, and all pci slots filled with miscellaneous ****.

Dells case is also top notch. It's heavy and very quiet, the only drawback is airflow isn't the best, although that won't matter because you won't be overclocking it anyway. It keeps things cool enough for a stock configuration.

I paid $60 for my last case, and while prettier than Dells, with better airflow, it isn't built as well as my old Dell case. I didn't trust the psu that came with it either so I put in a $100 fortron psu because I'm now overclocking and I doubt the cheap psu that came with the case is up to the task.

My assessment stands.

[legacy-rochin]

Originally posted by lxskllr
You're charged for the OS even if it isn't on a separate invoice, it's still factored into the cost.

You can't get a good case and psu for $30 each. I gave the minimum prices that could be found that would aproximate Dell quality.

Dells 250w power supply is second to none. I pushed mine well passed the limit with a Bfg 6800oc overclocked even further, 3 added case fans, 2 harddrives, 2 optical drives, and all pci slots filled with miscellaneous ****.

Dells case is also top notch. It's heavy and very quiet, the only drawback is airflow isn't the best, although that won't matter because you won't be overclocking it anyway. It keeps things cool enough for a stock configuration.

I paid $60 for my last case, and while prettier than Dells, with better airflow, it isn't built as well as my old Dell case. I didn't trust the psu that came with it either so I put in a $100 fortron psu because I'm now overclocking and I doubt the cheap psu that came with the case is up to the task.

My assessment stands.

Exactly my point the OS is included in the cost. And yes my dell case is very quiet. I have added 1 fan for better air flow. It blows air out the back of the case from the back of my 6600. And the power supply is totally great. alot of people bash dell. I have no idea why. Sure it isnt the uber system but hell its a fair price. I think the main reason is they dont sell AMD systems. I am guessing they have a reason for that.

[legacy-lxskllr]

Originally posted by rochin
Exactly my point the OS is included in the cost. And yes my dell case is very quiet. I have added 1 fan for better air flow. It blows air out the back of the case from the back of my 6600. And the power supply is totally great. alot of people bash dell. I have no idea why. Sure it isnt the uber system but hell its a fair price. I think the main reason is they dont sell AMD systems. I am guessing they have a reason for that.

I think they don't carry AMD because AMD can't guarantee that they can keep up with potential orders. I'm sure they would do ok for now, but if they took off with a major seller like Dell, they wouldn't be able to keep up production and shortages would cause a bunch of ****** off Dell customers.

[legacy-rippy_dog]

I've got an "AMD Athlon XP 2400+, MMX, 3Dnow, ~2.0 ghz"

That's as far as dxgiag goes :P The box is in the house somewhere but I'm not gonna go look for it, and I don't wanna download software just for this. I'm just gonna open my pc up later tonight and see how many pins the current RAM stick has. From that I can figure out what type it is.

[legacy-lxskllr]

Originally posted by rippy_dog
I've got an "AMD Athlon XP 2400+, MMX, 3Dnow, ~2.0 ghz"

That's as far as dxgiag goes :P The box is in the house somewhere but I'm not gonna go look for it, and I don't wanna download software just for this. I'm just gonna open my pc up later tonight and see how many pins the current RAM stick has. From that I can figure out what type it is.

As far as I remember sdram and ddr sdram have the same number of pins. The best way to tell is to download software that will tell you exactly what kind of ram you have. Otherwise you're looking for a headache trying to get ram to work. I recommend this utility http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=sandra.html it'll tell you almost everything you need to know about your comp.

[legacy-alBchu]

you have $120

buy this for $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144203

and get the 512MB of ram for $40...

problems solved.

p.s.
with your rig, you can't play at all details maxed minus trilinear... ok well maybe you can... but 10-25 fps isn't playing, it's stuttering.

p.p.s. less than 60 FPS = stuttering.

p.p.p.s if it's not 85 FPS solid in deathmatch, it's not good for your eyes.

[legacy-rippy_dog]

Originally posted by lxskllr
As far as I remember sdram and ddr sdram have the same number of pins.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...0963&CatId=147

DDR RAM N of pins = 184

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...4537&CatId=145

SD RAM N of pins = 168

And I checked a couple other RAM sticks from both categories just to make sure.

EDIT: Oh, btw.. *points to thread title* This is NOT a Dell debate thread, try to keep it that way okies?

[legacy-supun]

New hardware is no guarantee that the maps will load faster.

I had a P3 1GHz, 768M, cheap IDE drives and had no problems with load times. When I upgraded to a AMD64 4000+, 1G, and a SATA II drive, my load times when through the roof using the same UT2004.ini. Waiting 2 minutes for a map to load is too long. Even the intro screen takes forever to load.

EDIT:

I just benchmark-ed the drive speeds against my old IDE and SCSI. The SATA is defiantly faster.

SATA II -SAMSUNG HD160JJ

/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 3688 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1842.44 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 174 MB in 3.02 seconds = 57.55 MB/sec

SCSI U160 -SEAGATE ST318452LW
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 784 MB in 2.01 seconds = 390.69 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 146 MB in 3.03 seconds = 48.18 MB/sec

IDE - Maxtor 6Y120P0
/dev/hda:
Timing cached reads: 780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 389.28 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 118 MB in 3.03 seconds = 38.91 MB/sec

[legacy-dirtydog]

Must be something wrong then, it shouldn't take that long on that hardware. Have you installed your chipset drivers? Sounds like your hard drive isn't running in the proper mode.