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[legacy-Wes]

Originally posted by DrSiN
I also have a few GUID's of a couple of the ELF lot and XLC if anybody is interested in adding them to the Banned ID List of their servers

I would like to add the GUID you got into our servers. How can we get it? TIA.

[legacy--shifty-|MyU]

Originally posted by clocKwize
[ELF] has "fixed" UTSecure2k4-110

Well, based on your other posts over at MyUnreal explaining your love of hacking around protection and explaining your affiliation with [ELF], I'm assuming this means [ELF] has found a way around things.

I'm not sure if you're honourable enough to elaborate. I know a lot of the [ELF] people make it a mission to find workarounds.

Can you or anyone else clarify on this post and what the people with [ELF] have the capability to do at this point?

[kisk]

Originally posted by thecheat33
Are the stats being kept at all currently, and perhaps just not displayed?

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Originally posted by djshorty
Does that mean the stats will not be updated for the time being or stats compiled during this period will not be recorded at all?

Servers aren't being assigned StatsIDs so I'm pretty sure it's safe to say nothing is being logged ATM.

DrSin: Are the stats being disabled due to bandwidth or processing power? I'm not trying to sound like an as* but couldn't either problem be resolved rather quickly? I'd feel more secure about it if we knew that plans were being made to bring the stats back, opposed to just waiting for the master server to cool off. I'm really hoping we don't get stuck in the same situation we went thru for the '03 stats

[legacy-SubZeroGTS]

yeah, about the stats...you guys do know UT2004 is going to be a popular game online right? use a cray for the master server if you have to

oh yeah, Bombing Run EVENT SUMMARIES! (like in 2k3) you know carries, tosses, critical kills...those aren't in the 2k4 stats yet.

but Onslaught has the event summaries already.

[legacy-hughbackov]

Epic is not that stupid.

Originally posted by dP^Dark_Wizard
I'm still working on my Cheat Database and would love to add these as Epic Banned GUID'S...I will add a section for Epic to add these for all server admins to use...

Epic is no doubt not stupid enough to want your list of cheaters. Keep your list to yourself. Only an idiot would ban by such secondhand and thirdhand information.

[legacy-hughbackov]

Make your own ban list.

Originally posted by Wes
I would like to add the GUID you got into our servers. How can we get it? TIA.

Why not just admin your own server and ban cheats which you actually see firsthand instead of relying on suspect information which you have no way to verify as accurate?

[legacy--shifty-|MyU]

Re: Make your own ban list.

Originally posted by hughbackov
Why not just admin your own server and ban cheats which you actually see firsthand instead of relying on suspect information which you have no way to verify as accurate?

1) They're coming from DrSin, so I'd suspect Wes, the creator of MyUnreal, would probably rely on him as being a credible source.

2) I think most of the members on the MyUnreal servers (and the community) generally choose to make the servers better for everyone in the community and would rather err on the side of caution

3) They're coming from DrSin, so I'd suspect Wes, the creator of MyUnreal, would probably rely on him as being a credible source.



The majority of the hacks I've seen coming through MyU are speed hacks. They're generally banned on the spot. It's relatively hard to miss one like that. Almost everyone in our adjacent communities is open to sharing ban lists to keep scoundrels and scum off the servers.

I think the assumption of "wait until someone screws you over before you ban them" is utter ****, myself.

I'm just glad that DrSin and the rest of the dev staff have come up with (the first ever instance I've seen of) banning @ the master server. I think this is as close to genius as anyone else has gotten.

Edit: About your "only idiots using 2nd/3rd hand information"...Thanks for calling eveyone in LOB clan, Clan950, |C|, MyUnreal and countless other communities and clans idiots. We all appreciate your pompous, superior, holier-than-thou condescending attitude.

[legacy-hughbackov]

Re: Re: Make your own ban list.

Originally posted by -shifty-|MyU
1) They're coming from DrSin,

No, those GUID's are NOT coming from Dr. Sin. Read the thread again, moron.

2) I think most of the members on the MyUnreal servers (and the community) generally choose to make the servers better for everyone in the community and would rather err on the side of caution

Erring on the side of caution would be NOT to ban without firsthand information (with "firsthand" obviously being if you personally didn't see the guy cheat, don't ban him.).

3) They're coming from DrSin

Writing it twice doesn't make it less wrong. See my reply to #1, and learn to read. :P

Almost everyone in our adjacent communities is open to sharing ban lists to keep scoundrels and scum off the servers.

Which makes "almost anyone" rather stupid and naive.

I think the assumption of "wait until someone screws you over before you ban them" is utter ****, myself.

First, "Screws you over"?! LOL! Please! These are people cheating at a video game, not stealing from you. Second, your attitude of ban first and ask questions later is incredibly irresponsible and grossly unfair. Hopefully you will ban enough people from your server that you will only be able to play with yourself (which is something I am sure you are very familiar with.)

Thanks for calling eveyone in LOB clan, Clan950, |C|, MyUnreal and countless other communities and clans idiots. We all appreciate your pompous, superior, holier-than-thou condescending attitude.

Well if you all actually do ban based simply on someone else's word, then you all ARE idiots.

[Wormbo]

Re: Re: Make your own ban list.

Originally posted by -shifty-|MyU
Edit: About your "only idiots using 2nd/3rd hand information"...Thanks for calling eveyone in LOB clan, Clan950, |C|, MyUnreal and countless other communities and clans idiots. We all appreciate your pompous, superior, holier-than-thou condescending attitude.

You don't know how some people run their servers. I had more problems with admins not being able to properly install Anti TCC (or UTSecure) than with false positives and the like.

Bottom line: Only use the IDs others identified as cheaters as a reference. Some people have set each and every check to permanently ban the player, and TBH I'm **** glad about the bug with "permanent ban" not working in Anti TCC 1.12 Lite, because a lot of people don't even know clientside brightskins are cheating. (Nevertheless I'll fix that bug, of course.)

[legacy--shifty-|MyU]

Re: Re: Re: Make your own ban list.

Originally posted by hughbackov
No, those GUID's are NOT coming from Dr. Sin. Read the thread again, moron.

As they appear to be quoted in Wes' post, it would read as they are. Again - DrSin asked to keep the post on topic, maybe you missed this?

I won't be such a blatant *** as to call anyone I know a 'moron' as you do. Such behaviour is left to forum trolls and children.

Originally posted by hughbackov
Which makes "almost anyone" rather stupid and naive.

I don't know who you hang out with, but I trust the judgement of these people. Several of the people in question that share these have been playing UT competitively/running their own servers since the days of Unreal. More than a few are OGL and PG admins.

Originally posted by hughbackov
First, "Screws you over"?! LOL! Please! These are people cheating at a video game, not stealing from you.

Quite the contrary. Cheaters steal my fun and the fun of every other person. It looks like they're beginning to steal keys to boot. I have very little time to play games as it is, I don't want someone cheating and stealing the fun from the precious time I have. I think, if you ask, you'll find the majority of the people that play the game feel the same way.

Originally posted by hughbackov
Second, your attitude of ban first and ask questions later is incredibly irresponsible and grossly unfair.

"Better safe than sorry". If someone feels their ban is unjustified, they can appeal it in the community.

Originally posted by hughbackov
Hopefully you will ban enough people from your server that you will only be able to play with yourself (which is something I am sure you are very familiar with.) Well if you all actually do ban based simply on someone else's word, then you all ARE idiots.

How is the old saying? Opinions are like a..holes? Well, in this case, the opinionated one is shaping up to be the offending orafice.

Oh - one last thing - Thinking about what DrSin and the staff has in place, you've just called every server admin on the face of the planet an idiot. They're all relying on DrSin's personal judgement and opinion in the matter to determine who is banned at the master server and who is not. I guess, according to your comments, that is unjust and grossly unfair? Hmmm....are you a botter also?

I personally trust DrSin and his judgement. And I'm quite happy to see this thread and the information contained within. It shows me action is being taken.

Originally posted by Wormbo
You don't know how some people run their servers.

In this case, we do. Very, very close, very tightknit group of people in question with an abundance (years) of information and experience.

[legacy-Wes]

Calm down all. I just asked a simple question. No need for all that reactions. Besides, please stay on topic.

[legacy--shifty-|MyU]

Tell you what, I'll just step out of the discussion. I don't really have time to compose petty arguments on a forum that might reflect poorly on any people or organizations I'm affiliated with and I don't want to disrespect the admins here.

I've expressed my personal opinion and accept that many people here can't understand what goes on outside their own little world.

DrSin, Wormbo, everyone else actually working on the game, I think you're doing great work. Keep it up.

Can't wait to see what the future holds for the game.

One last question (on topic):
Haven't really heard an update on stats servers or any official information on what the [load] problem may be, exactly. Can we be enlightened? Does this have anything to do with the any of the master server/anti-cheat development going on?

[legacy-DrSiN]

First off, hughbackov tone it down.

Second, any admin is welcome to send me along the global id of someone he suspect is cheating on their server. When this happens I cross reference it with the master server's list of suspected cheaters and if there is a match, I use MY judgement as to the course of action. If I so choose, I can do nothing, have the master server probe the player more and set a priority and catch him online personally. Of course, the reputation of the admin is taken in to consideration.

What does not sway me are demos, screenshots, chat logs/etc and noone is banned without due proof collected by someone here at Epic (ie: me).

Also, I do not ever publish or give out these ids until I have proof they are cheating. I don't agree with public black lists and I think they are bad for the community so sorry Wes.

[legacy-DrSiN]

There is a blocking problem with the master server that at seemingly random times causes the database access to slow to a crawl. When this happens, everone's access to the master server goes to hell.

Stat's will probably remain offline until we find the problem or 100% verify it's not stats (things have been better since we took it offline, but not much) We are working really hard to track it down, but random problems like this are hell.

[legacy-Xipher]

Dr. SiN, sounds like hell.