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    #31
    Well when it comes down to the end tell him that I said it's okay. Be like "mista **** move company man, UnspoiledWalnut says I can do whatever I want." Because I'm important like that, so it'll all fly by (don't use it court though, I was joking once with my friend and he actually tried to bring up my name because he thought I was serious. He lost shortly afterward.)

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      #32
      Wonder if this is why the desert eagle is called the night hawk in counterstrike, and the Magnum in L4D.

      Anyway I think I'm with the guys on they have the trademarks and rights to the name and replica's but I don't think they can hold any claim to a game model with a different name.

      I hope this works out for ya, it seems a little ****ty that they're picking on an indie developer.

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        #33
        Nighthawk is a totally different gun than a Deagle.

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          #34
          Originally posted by UnspoiledWalnut View Post
          Well when it comes down to the end tell him that I said it's okay. Be like "mista **** move company man, UnspoiledWalnut says I can do whatever I want." Because I'm important like that, so it'll all fly by (don't use it court though, I was joking once with my friend and he actually tried to bring up my name because he thought I was serious. He lost shortly afterward.)
          I'll bear that one in mind.

          Well, i'm just waiting on responses and what your findings say - it'd help if you'd pass on any e-mail response you get from these companies as well.

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            #35
            Yeah I'll let you know, kinda interested to know more about this. I'm gonna see if I can get hold of some other developers who use weapons that they say they have rights to and see if they did ran into anything.

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              #36
              Originally posted by UnspoiledWalnut View Post
              Nighthawk is a totally different gun than a Deagle.
              In CS:S its a model of the deagle and is refered to as a deagle in the online documents with alt name: night hawk :P (not that I've played counterstrike since I "grew up" and realise what a real game is)

              The only official night hawk I can find is a custom gun 'maker' who calls all their weapons Night hawk (their company name) then the weapon name, be it a hand gun or rifle etc, I also found a plane called the nighthawk (figures)

              Anyway that wasn't my point ^^ and this is offtopic. my bad.

              Ontopic: It's really nice to see a community member go so far to defend/help another. You're pretty **** awesome UnspoiledWalnut.

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                #37
                Oh okay, I've never played Counterstrike. But I have a Night Hawk GRP that my sister bought me (I have no idea why, it's like a three thousand dollar gun), and everyone calls it a Desert Eagle for some reason. I guess technically that's the company name, but they're all pretty much the same thing as far as I can tell. I do want one of the new Deagles though, those are badass. They shoot .357 Magnum, .45, and .50 cal bullets. I think it's like six grand though, which I am not paying for a gun until I'm rich (or have a really good night at a casino). Plus the government would probably take it away like next year... I can get a .50 cal sniper rifle for about the same. Don't know what I could possibly use it for though, might get a REC7 or 98B, I think I'd be allowed to shoot those without reckless endangerment claims.

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                  #38
                  Wheras, i live in the UK, and we're liable to get shot for carrying an airsoft rifle outside, and anything such as a .22 rifle is a right pain to get the permit for.

                  Its a shame, as i'd rather like a pistol myself. Theres something nice about the old Webley .455 pistols. :P

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                    #39
                    I NEVER heared some similiar things about this copyrightproblem. It sound very Strange..... I think Epic Games should kick their *** so we can make make good games and these [sorry] suckers can go to hell.

                    I donĀ“t know if its only in UK, i am from Germany, and i never seen this before. But i know, that some people tries to make Money with small people.

                    Weapondesign copyrighted? How strange....beside, they would never have a chance to know how you made your gameweapons. I mean, i have a weapon producer in the next town, i asked them for testing and using the weapons for building some gamemodels...So what the heck they could say, this Design belongs to them? Never, they are just trolling in my opinion.....

                    Man, this is really weird.....

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                      #40
                      In Germany you get a letter that's gonna cost you around 1500 bucks the moment you violate the legal rights of anybody who wants to make money out of thin air. More letters cost more money. It's an actual common problem for *alot* of "small" people.

                      Just use a dog paw imprint anywhere, f.e., you'll have a problem if the ehm copyright holder notices, because that is secured already!

                      If you don't pay and continue to be violating somebodys rights you'll be bancrupt in no time.

                      And I doubt any company is going to kick *** for us to make sure we can breach other peoples right.

                      Even though those money collector's should get called certain names and made public

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                        #41
                        well.. where is a trademark possibilty for designs.. so you maybe want to ask a lawyer about that.. but beware..they are not that cheap.^^

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                          #42
                          I'm not so sure on it being trademarked for designs.

                          Indeed, i've passed it onto some lawyers, but i'd be interested to know whether theres been any response from any of the companies mentioned, if Walnut has contacted them/received a response as of yet.

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                            #43
                            No one seems keen on calling me back so far. I got hold of a few companies that weren't on the list (I don't know why I called them, but I figured I should see if anyone else actually cared), and most of the guys I talked to said they couldn't care less, technically we're kind of advertising for them and it's not like they care about video games. If you made an actual gun using their tech and stole sales, then they would be ******, but then again how are you going to prove you actually stole technology even there? The concept of a gun is pretty generic, I mean look at handguns. Most of them look the same, and chances are they operate almost if not exactly the same. One of them thought I was joking and laughed at me, and said that if you make a 3D model of it and change the name then you aren't infringing on anything that he's aware of (then again, I don't know how well informed customer service is regarding patents and copyrights and trademarks), since you can't really prove that it's the same gun.
                            I called some government people a bit ago, and I was told that they can't just sue you for a ton of money (might be limited to my state though, not sure so don't take my word for it as it'll especially probably change in different countries); they can file for an injunction to have whatever is done taken off the market, and sue for ACTUAL costs, as in they need to prove, first off, that you actual broke copyright which will be hard to do because you can just say "No, that is not a CZ Scorpion SMG, that would be CS Scorpian SMG," or something, and then after that which they might win, I have no idea, they would need to prove that they may have actually lost money from you publishing the game. Which chances are, it's about zero unless the Airsoft company is suddenly in the market for making games or 3D models to license out, since they are two totally different markets: an airsoft player isn't going to stop playing airsoft because of a video game. It would be hard to prove you actually made them lose money, and I don't think that courts look very highly upon people who are vindictive like that.

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                              #44
                              Hmm. Looks like I might have to e-mail a few of the companies listed to find out myself then, based off what you're saying?

                              In cases like that, at least i'd be able to apply for legal aid, i'm that skint. :P Effectively the line of argument is that it doesn't cost them sales, as its not in their realm of development?

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                                #45
                                That's what I would go for as a defense in the event I needed it. I'm sure there are various other claims that they could take, but I can't imagine there would be a very strong case in terms of financial reimbursement from what I've read about it. I'm sure there would be pro bono lawyers who would take it, but being in the UK I think they would have a harder time getting to you to begin with. International lawsuits are apparently a mess to deal with, one of the lawyers I asked said that unless it's a massive issue it's kind of rare because of the differences in the law between countries.

                                I'm still trying to get hold of a few of them, most of them aren't English speaking companies so it's kind of hard to deal with since I know English, and a little bit of Russian and Arabic (like, I could go to a market and figure out how much I need to pay and that's about it) which are doing me no good.

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