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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobah View Post
    The Scorcher can do MAJOR damage, you just gotta use your brain a little with it. You get in their face with it and it's stopping power is the best of any weapon. Now if you get actives with it, you get the same stopping power and you can be 4 body lengths away. It's very underrated, and I like it that way. All the easier to surprise people when they're getting murdered by it. It's a beautiful Retro/DBS counter.
    Like I said

    What exactly does it do better than the Retro Lancer? It has more stopping power per hit. That's about it.

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    On mercy you need to either change the power weapons up top (Oneshot, Mortar) or switch the boltok to mortar round! it counters the oneshot to well making it useless
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    Nobody has even discussed the fact they put the Scorcher in Sandbar to make the hill useless. What they didn't say is "We know, the scorcher is pretty f**k'n useless lol." because they know nobody's ass is going to pick that up on Sandbar without getting laughed and and beat around the map like a ping pong ball.

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    These changes are excellent. They've made these maps far more balanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by bison187 View Post
    Nobody has even discussed the fact they put the Scorcher in Sandbar to make the hill useless.
    That's precisely the point. The hill/fortress is, tactically, the best area on the map to be; it doesn't need a good weapon. It leaves teams to now make an important decision: Get the Boomshot, which is located in an open, vulnerable area, or go and secure the hill/fortress to give yourselves an environmental advantage.

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    I was just using the boomshot on sandbar

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    yea idk this was just 10 minutes ago

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    i like the changes, im skilled enough to get that boom ontop of the bridge+^_^+ now even that boomsheild is useless against you+^_^+
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    They removed the One-Shot from Sandbar?

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    Why didn't they change Gorgon/Gorgon for Boltok/Boltok or Boltok/Gorgon in Sandbar? Gorgon/Gorgon makes zero sense for a ranging map like that.
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    Yes! I got so bored of always rushing up top on both those maps. Now I can actually have a strategy.
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    I like the spawn changes except only 1 map now has the hammer. It really needs to be added to at least 1 more map (if not more), Thrashball and Trenches come to mind.

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    Really why didnt those show up when I played a few minutes ago???

    There was still mortar/ HOD on overpass

    and there was Boomshot and one shot still on Sandbar

    I was playing quickmatch TDM just 20 minutes ago and the sawed off is the same.

    What the hell is going on? Is this a joke or something?
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    They left the One shot on dry dock? That thing felt so useless no really good ledges to use without dragging it to the middle of the bridge are you are completely screwed if anyone comes by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnashes View Post
    In all fairness, it wasn't that effective of a weapon there. The only kills you'd really get with it were on people coming from spawn to pinnacle, and even then you'd be more likely to get sniped that to get a kill
    To be honest, yes, you're right

    But it sure did fit and it sure was fun killing snipers with it

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    If you're not seeing the swaps then you're not on dedicated servers.

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    BOOOOOOO no digger on Sandbar......The one shot was fine as it was. Not liking the Sandbar changes.

    Too bad for the Hammer of Dawn and Mortar for I feel its good to take them out on Overpass but now they are not on very many maps....Guess we'll have to wait and see if they appear on DLC maps in the coming months ahead.
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    FINALLY, god those maps were horrible hope this changes things. Now if only they'll fix the swaps on Mercy.....
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    Scorcher for boomshot... :'( I'd have much prefered a boltok.
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    I don't like some of the changes.

    The Mortar was really effective for destroy campers on the top position. The Torque Bow is completely useless.
    For Sandbar having the Scorcher always in that point is boring. No one will use it.

    My changes:

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    Mortar > Mortar
    HoD > Boomshot

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    Boomshot > Scorcher
    One-Shot > Boomshot

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    One-Shot > Mortar
    Mortar > Mortar

    The one-shot is awful in this map. No good spot to use it.

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    they should change drydock, change mortar/oneshot to something else I think

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    I am extremely upset with the removal of the Hammer of Dawn on Overpass, it was one of the only maps with it on it and I loved being able to kill people without them ever knowing where I was, there are spots all over that map and now there is only one map with a Hammer of Dawn on it =\, the Torque bow also doesn't seem too interesting on that map, yeah it has a huge advantage if you get it up top but so far it just seems like the Hammer of Dawn would have been better.

    Sandbar however? That works fine, I like the idea of the high ground being its only reward with the help of a Scorcher to assist in defending it (Not that anyone other than my friends and I pick it up), I like the changes to Sandbar and I am glad they kept the Hammer of Dawn on it.
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    Think it's a great idea to bring in a Boomshot to Overpass, stops the other team trying to camp up top.

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    No! Sandbar was so epic!!! Scorcher and Boomshot?!
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    gutted they go rid of One Shot on Sandbar.
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    Omg Epic are you serious!!!!

    Overpass:
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    The Mortar and Hammer of Dawn forced the campers on the top to come down and not camp up their. Well done on ****ing that map up now.
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    Changes look pretty good actually.

    Kinda bummed they swapped the hod for a torque though, but perhaps it will be better.
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    Can we get a sticky with all changes listed? Weapons Spawns , XP Change and SO patch ...... the boards are getting flooded with posts about the changes.
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    Overpass:
    Mortar > Boomshot
    Hammer of Dawn > Torque Bow

    Sandbar:
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    Boomshot > Scorcher
    Oneshot > Boomshot
    Good changes, in Overpass maybe Sniper instead of torque? I think Sandbar is going to be excellent now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxDemon View Post
    Omg Epic are you serious!!!!

    Overpass:
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    Hammer of Dawn > Torque Bow


    The Mortar and Hammer of Dawn forced the campers on the top to come down and not camp up their. Well done on ****ing that map up now.
    Are you joking? It's easy to avoid the Mortar when up top, and only an idiot gets hit by the Hammer. These may not be the best changes, but it's definitely an improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Crawford View Post
    Are you joking? It's easy to avoid the Mortar when up top, and only an idiot gets hit by the Hammer. These may not be the best changes, but it's definitely an improvement.
    No I am not joking. Was way too easy to kill people with the Mortar and Hammer. I will try the map out but it's always going to be a rush to the top to win map, Though if my team as a mic they will be told otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Crawford View Post
    Are you joking? It's easy to avoid the Mortar when up top, and only an idiot gets hit by the Hammer. These may not be the best changes, but it's definitely an improvement.
    Don't forget that normally one has to expose himself in order to use mortar or hammer. I think the changes are good.
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    I can already see countless morefaces being popped from the overlook in sandbar! Yes, my minions, fight for those power weapons. *crack*

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxDemon View Post
    No I am not joking. Was way too easy to kill people with the Mortar and Hammer. I will try the map out but it's always going to be a rush to the top to win map, Though if my team as a mic they will be told otherwise.
    You must be fortunate enough to get match up against to worst players around, then. People I play with pretty much never get caught by Hammer/Mortar up top. Every now and then I'll get a kill with them, but not that often because the Mortar is easy to avoid and the Hammer works better from high ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Crawford View Post
    You must be fortunate enough to get match up against to worst players around, then. People I play with pretty much never get caught by Hammer/Mortar up top. Every now and then I'll get a kill with them, but not that often because the Mortar is easy to avoid and the Hammer works better from high ground.
    Exactly, hammer sucks when you are in low ground, and you are downed by ars faster than you can activate it.
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