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    Default OFFICIAL: Proposed Rank Change

    Hey all,

    So we've been looking at all the feedback on our skill ranking system and we completely understand why simply making your TrueSkill level visible can be frustrating. The algorithm is complex, so it's not always clear how your rank will be affected by a particular match and your rank is based on the team's outcome and not necessarily your individual performance.

    So we're looking to make a change.

    What if, instead of skill rank, we instead showed your experience level. You would gain experience through your individual performance in Public multiplayer matches - the higher your score at the end, the more experience you acquire. Of course the experience gained across the different match types would be balanced so you couldn't just grind on the respawning game types to try and level faster. The experience requirements for each level would grow with each level gained (like a typical RPG) and we'd have 99 levels of experience for you to show off your leetness.

    Generally speaking your level will always go up since you're always acquiring more score, hence experience, with each completed match. The only exception to that would be people quitting. Players that quit would gain an experience penalty that could cause them to be demoted. At the end of every match you will be able to see how much experience you've gained and how much further you have to go till the next level.

    Since I know what one of the first questions is going to be, initially we wouldn't have achievements for gaining experience levels because of Xbox LIVE rules that require all post release achievements to be tied to new DLC content. But when new DLC is released, it's a whole new ball game then.

    So, what do you think?

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    I am Joe Graf and I approve this message

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    YES!

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    This is a great idea! i love it! it is more like halo but halo is at the top of the xbox live charts for a reason. Rank is what keeps people playing, they always want to reach that new goal. Everone loves to see how much they improve too. I love it!

    great idea Rod keep them coming! Rod appreciation day lives on!

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    lol your guys cubicles are probably right next to each other and your talking to each other on the forums.

    EDIT: Rod do you think we could see this in TU3?
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    Complete Awsomeness!

    Too bad i cant even play the game atm
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    OMG Rod,I love you. WOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT
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    a million percent yes rod.
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    Rank, will equal the new awesome!

    constant rank change is good!

    Are you going to use military rank?

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    5 star general?
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    This is a great idea but is there any way we can keep our truskill ranking as well or would that just be thrown out?.......either way, I like it.

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    Rod one more thing, i don't think you guys should put numbers for the rank like "27" gamertag i never really liked how halo does that for ranked. Just stick to ranks but they would have to be gears of war inspired ranks. Be original and surprise us. Great work, keep it up!
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    This is a great idea but is there any way we can keep our truskill ranking as well or would that just be thrown out?.......either way, I like it.
    I show the level number where the rank icon used to be. Can't wait to see someone get level 99.

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    can you also make trueskill out of 50 ranks?

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    I personally agree that rank should be based on individual performance rather than the teams performance.

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    yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeGraf View Post
    I show the level number where the rank icon used to be. Can't wait to see someone get level 99.
    This is a great idea.....awesome job epic!!!

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    I like the military rank symbols alongside my number.
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    Joe do you think we could see this in TU3? It would make me 10x more excited for TU3
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    yes, i love this idea Rod

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    I like the military rank symbols alongside my number.
    Sorry, there wasn't enough space and we want to have a large number of levels for you to show off.

    Joe do you think we could see this in TU3? It would make me 10x more excited for TU3
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeGraf View Post
    I show the level number where the rank icon used to be. Can't wait to see someone get level 99.
    I will get to level 99 first (>O_O)>

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    Yes! I am Cody and i approve this message. This would likely help tons with the the quitting and getting matched with a less skilled team when playing solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s__S View Post
    I will get to level 99 first (>O_O)>
    Not if I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeGraf View Post
    Yes.

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    So will the leaderboards get erased too? since this is a new rank system?

    (please say yes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KanGaHru3 View Post
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    Joe and Rod, I get a lot of 4v5 and 3v5 matches from the get go.....is there being anything done to help fix that?

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    This could be the most exciting part of TU3 to come. Definitely a great idea, and the penalty for quitters is also very fitting. Great Job! When is TU3 due? I can't wait!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KanGaHru3 View Post
    This is a great idea but is there any way we can keep our truskill ranking as well or would that just be thrown out?.......either way, I like it.
    They wouldn't be thrown out. They'd still be used to help try and make better matches by finding players of similar skill. It just means they'd be hidden. The nice thing is if you see someone with a high experience level then you know they finish matches since that's the only way to get experience.

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    so excited!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KanGaHru3 View Post
    Joe and Rod, I get a lot of 4v5 and 3v5 matches from the get go.....is there being anything done to help fix that?
    Wait and see

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    Great idea.. Sounds 100x better than the one now.

    Now people rank up on their performance, not whether they go 1-8 and their team comes through for them and win.

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    Love the idea. Please use it!

    PS, if there is a way to transfer our already gained points into a new rank, try to do that. If not, just at least use the new ranks!

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    Dear Lord! Joe And Rod are you guys having Chili's Fajitas today? cause you guys are on fire!

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

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    So does this do away with ranks completely? As in when you get matched up will it now search for people in your general are like if your 23 it searches something like 23 - 33?

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    awesomeness to the max!

    but rod, i can't help wonder. can't there be different ranks per teams? because obviously locust and COG aren't the best of friends so ranks will probably be different,

    and i don't mean this like, you have to level up twice to 99 but only once, but if your level is 99 it's called like:

    COG level 99: named "Tha hoff" with an emblem of like hoffman's hat hooked on barb wire.
    Locust level 99: named "stormRAAM" with a different picture of RAAM ripping through Kim with his sword in a silhouet stylesk picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Fergusson View Post
    They wouldn't be thrown out. They'd still be used to help try and make better matches by finding players of similar skill. It just means they'd be hidden. The nice thing is if you see someone with a high experience level then you know they finish matches since that's the only way to get experience.

    Thanks,

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    You are awesome......Thanks......this sounds like a perfect solution and setting for ranks

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    If the host quits the match do we still keep all points aquired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Fergusson View Post
    Wait and see

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