Isa's Pangaean Speech at the Start of IB2

[ichirosaito]

I listened over and over and over again to what Isa said in Pangaean right before they spoke English. Here's what I heard.

"Niji stimo lah. Niji finidam dimio Set.
Gratuomos."

We all know the subtitle. (So you've done it. You've killed the God King. Congratulations."
Analyzing the similarities in the language "niji" seems to correspond to the word "you". "Gratuomos" is "congratulations.
However there is one part that I am very, very interested in.

"Niji finidam dimio Set."
"You've killed the God King."

"Niji" is "you" (or you have, in this case). And then there's "finidam". It sounds like the English word "finite" or its Latin counterpart "finita", which all of us know means something that can end. In this case we might attribute the thing ending as the God King's life.

Then we have "dimio". The closest thing I can find to "dimio" is the Japanese word "daimyo", which refers to the territorial lords in pre-modern Japan. Interestingly Saydhi lived in an estate with Japanese architecture and cherry blossoms; anyone, any stranger unfamiliar to IB2 will obviously and naturally see Japan in Saydhi's estate. How it's built with gardens, raised above the ground like a Japanese castle of old. Also, there was not just one daimyo in Japan. Each had territories, and either lived with each other or fought each other. Eerily similar to our Pantheon or 9 Ruling Houses, where there were Deathless, each holding their own territory (Saydhi bordering Raidriar's).

Finally, the word we've all been waiting for. "Set". Lots of theories here have attributed Siris to Osiris and Raidriar to Set. Well there it is. "Set" is probably the Lantimorian word for God. Remember that Isa is a foreigner to Lantimor, and she probably was speaking Pangaean local to Lantimor (remember how she told Siris that where she came from there were seventy ways of saying one is hungry (please correct me on the number of ways if I'm wrong )). Seems to confirm the analogy between Raidriar and Set.

So, if we directly translate it, it becomes:

"You have made finite the infinite, immortal and all powerful territorial lord."

This makes sense, as a God is usually depicted as immortal and all powerful, but as Raidriar is also the ruler of the land he becomes a king or a daimyo in his territory.

I love how Isa said Set. Brought chills down my spine.

Please comment if you have any more ideas.

[synge32]

Nice job! I don't think anyone has put the effort (or even thought of) analyzing this. Very interesting, especially "SET" I mean it's right there. Have you tried anything from IB1?

I would request trying Ealosuem dialogue first. He calls Siris a "puppet" and I believe this may be a hint as Siris being a clone. (Archivist also calls Siris a "fraud" and a "pawn")

The Pangean language in IB1 is awesome! I miss it , but to advance the storyline, the language had to change. GK was ten times more intimidating when he spoke Pangean.

Nice work finding new clues!

[agentblank]

I listened over and over and over again to what Isa said in Pangaean right before they spoke English. Here's what I heard.

"Niji stimo lah. Niji finidam dimio Set.
Gratuomos."

We all know the subtitle. (So you've done it. You've killed the God King. Congratulations."
Analyzing the similarities in the language "niji" seems to correspond to the word "you". "Gratuomos" is "congratulations.
However there is one part that I am very, very interested in.

"Niji finidam dimio Set."
"You've killed the God King."

"Niji" is "you" (or you have, in this case). And then there's "finidam". It sounds like the English word "finite" or its Latin counterpart "finita", which all of us know means something that can end. In this case we might attribute the thing ending as the God King's life.

Then we have "dimio". The closest thing I can find to "dimio" is the Japanese word "daimyo", which refers to the territorial lords in pre-modern Japan. Interestingly Saydhi lived in an estate with Japanese architecture and cherry blossoms; anyone, any stranger unfamiliar to IB2 will obviously and naturally see Japan in Saydhi's estate. How it's built with gardens, raised above the ground like a Japanese castle of old. Also, there was not just one daimyo in Japan. Each had territories, and either lived with each other or fought each other. Eerily similar to our Pantheon or 9 Ruling Houses, where there were Deathless, each holding their own territory (Saydhi bordering Raidriar's).

Finally, the word we've all been waiting for. "Set". Lots of theories here have attributed Siris to Osiris and Raidriar to Set. Well there it is. "Set" is probably the Lantimorian word for God. Remember that Isa is a foreigner to Lantimor, and she probably was speaking Pangaean local to Lantimor (remember how she told Siris that where she came from there were seventy ways of saying one is hungry (please correct me on the number of ways if I'm wrong )). Seems to confirm the analogy between Raidriar and Set.

So, if we directly translate it, it becomes:

"You have made finite the infinite, immortal and all powerful territorial lord."

This makes sense, as a God is usually depicted as immortal and all powerful, but as Raidriar is also the ruler of the land he becomes a king or a daimyo in his territory.

I love how Isa said Set. Brought chills down my spine.

Please comment if you have any more ideas.

Interesting, but I am pretty sure cHAIR didn't intend to make something this deep and hard to figure out. Just a coincidence. It means what it said it means I think. But still this is very interesting.

[ElPared]

"dimio" could be related to the latin "deus" which means "god," so "dimio set" could simply mean "God King"

as for mythology, Set is actually more like Siris than Raidriar. We've mostly been comparing Raidriar to Amun Ra, but we could compare him to Horus instead, which would make the rivalry between Siris and Raidriar a direct allegory to the rivalry between Set and Horus.

What's interesting about that is that Set and Horus are both the sons of Osiris, and their rivalry started when Set killed Osiris. What's even more interesting is that Osiris' wife, Isis, assembled his body parts and embalmed him after Set murdered him. Does this story sound familiar yet? What if I told you Set is the god of darkness and Horus is the god of light? And the story of their battle was very popular with ancient Egyptians

interesting to say the least

[Infinitymaster]

"dimio" could be related to the latin "deus" which means "god," so "dimio set" could simply mean "God King"

as for mythology, Set is actually more like Siris than Raidriar. We've mostly been comparing Raidriar to Amun Ra, but we could compare him to Horus instead, which would make the rivalry between Siris and Raidriar a direct allegory to the rivalry between Set and Horus.

What's interesting about that is that Set and Horus are both the sons of Osiris, and their rivalry started when Set killed Osiris. What's even more interesting is that Osiris' wife, Isis, assembled his body parts and embalmed him after Set murdered him. Does this story sound familiar yet? What if I told you Set is the god of darkness and Horus is the god of light? And the story of their battle was very popular with ancient Egyptians

interesting to say the least

So Raidriar could be Siris/Ausars son?
The only reason I doubt this is because in the book Raidriar says that killing him wouldn't have activated the blade, but killing Archarin would have. If they were both sons of Ausar then the blade would have been activated when Raidriar had been killed.

[synge32]

So Raidriar could be Siris/Ausars son?
The only reason I doubt this is because in the book Raidriar says that killing him wouldn't have activated the blade, but killing Archarin would have. If they were both sons of Ausar then the blade would have been activated when Raidriar had been killed.

Good point, but this is all speculation made by Raidriar, and it appears that Raidriar doesn't really understand the Blade at all. I definitely think that there will be some surprise relatives in this story, we will have to see, I don't really see raidriars dialogue with Siris/Ausar to be that of a son speaking to father, evil twin brothers seems more likely, but who knows.

And i would guarantee that the game developers put effort into the Pangean language dialogue. This story is Mustards number 1 storyline that he's ever wanted too do, and he has alot more coming, everything is well planned out.

[ElPared]

Actually I was suggesting that Ausar and Raidriar are brothers, and the Osiris figure is their father. Kind of a Luke and Leya thing (but hopefully they don't kiss)

[raygrid]

Actually I was suggesting that Ausar and Raidriar are brothers, and the Osiris figure is their father. Kind of a Luke and Leya thing (but hopefully they don't kiss)

Actually, it would be less disturbing if they did kiss than it was that Luke and Leah did. I still have nightmares about that.

Blood brilliant effort translating the language. It never occurred to me. I think I assumed it was made up words, but as Donald has liken the story to Tolkien and he invented whole languages, it would make sense that there is some sort of actual language in play here. Good work!

[ichirosaito]

For a game this epic (no pun intended), everything has to be well thought out. The story is great, the characters are great, the setting is great, everything is great. So I think it's just fair that the language is great, an Easter Egg, if you might. It has to be based on something, or if invented, linguistically sound. That's why when you listen to Pangaean in IB1 it sounds awfully beautiful even if you don't understand it. It's like, it sounds right.

I'm trying to work on IB1 but, hell take me, it takes too many bloodlines to listen over and over again. Unlike IB2 where the Pangaean speech is right at the beginning, I could just restart rebirth 1 again and again. It's relatively a short phrase but it took me about 3 retries. Archarin and GK's dialog in IB1 is undoubtedly richer in Pangaean, but spread so thin and so far. Let us also not forget Archarin and Siris' dialogue at the rebirth chambers.

If someone could give me mp4 files of it and the corresponding English subtitles I could study the language. Maybe we could even make a basic dictionary out of it.

[synge32]

For a game this epic (no pun intended), everything has to be well thought out. The story is great, the characters are great, the setting is great, everything is great. So I think it's just fair that the language is great, an Easter Egg, if you might. It has to be based on something, or if invented, linguistically sound. That's why when you listen to Pangaean in IB1 it sounds awfully beautiful even if you don't understand it. It's like, it sounds right.

I'm trying to work on IB1 but, hell take me, it takes too many bloodlines to listen over and over again. Unlike IB2 where the Pangaean speech is right at the beginning, I could just restart rebirth 1 again and again. It's relatively a short phrase but it took me about 3 retries. Archarin and GK's dialog in IB1 is undoubtedly richer in Pangaean, but spread so thin and so far. Let us also not forget Archarin and Siris' dialogue at the rebirth chambers.

If someone could give me mp4 files of it and the corresponding English subtitles I could study the language. Maybe we could even make a basic dictionary out of it.

Use YouTube clips. Sound may not be as good, but at least it's faster. Also, go into the negative bloodline , you should be able to go hrough prett fast

[synge32]

Just to encourage some more research on this,,, I just started by listening to Zero Mech speaking to Siris as Siris is walking in, He says in English " you have entered the sacred chamber of your god"

The word for god seems to be "de-amos, Which is most likely the possessive noun version of the word " Dimio".

Now I'm very interested!

[ichirosaito]

I'll look into the YouTube option first.

[ichirosaito]

Use YouTube clips. Sound may not be as good, but at least it's faster. Also, go into the negative bloodline , you should be able to go hrough prett fast

And you have them in YouTube! Thank you!

[ichirosaito]

Just to encourage some more research on this,,, I just started by listening to Zero Mech speaking to Siris as Siris is walking in, He says in English " you have entered the sacred chamber of your god"

The word for god seems to be "de-amos, Which is most likely the possessive noun version of the word " Dimio".

Now I'm very interested!

I tried twirling "de-amos" in my brain's tongue and came down with this. "Dei amos". "Dei" Latin for god. "Amos" or "amo" is Spanish for "Masters" or "master."

Interesting...