Some quick questions regarding the mod process and mod community.

[KakashiiX2]

1. What are the limitations to how much you can modify the game for the MP portion? **I've seen this so this gives me a fairly good idea**
2. I've seen mods here that even remind me of my old skool UT 99 demo glory days. That simple game had some great mods to adjust to lag*
   
   

   As of 04/25/2010 this classic fast pased 10YO demo game still offers multiple servers with;
   DM/TDM/CTF Regular Weapons, Real Weapons (Infil.UT), TDM Rocket Arena's, CTF ZeroPing InstaGib (most populair), including various Clans, Fantasy League Ladders, and new Anti Cheat protections (AntiTweak, ACE, CSHP). It's crazy that such an old game and especially a demogame has going for such a long run. Who would have known..

   <-- *do ur own search in google, can't provide source as it's from a torrent description. The UT Demo community is probably long gone by now but those cats got ALOT done to make that game run godly. for.just.a.demo.*
3. I understand that UT 99 days were different in terms of PC gaming vs Console gaming. Gears after all is a Console born game w/PC traits. Not a PC born game. But is it possible, and if so.. is it the lack of man power to get the project done the problem? Or is it that there is more limitations?

Thank you PC community for your time!

[Drone *]

I might plan on making a Guardian MP mod, currently I only have one for offline bots.

[bmbr1990]

we have no idea but limitations are big enough to hold most of modders, as you probably noticed for 5 years there wasn't any attempt to create MP mode.

[KakashiiX2]

The fellow above you just said something was somewhat possible. I understand that is has been 5 years but then again I don't expect the same PC modding community that was back in 1999 to be as willing and dedicated as the one that came in 2006. Different times, different mindsets.

I want detail answers to the limitations.

[KakashiiX2]

Alright, so far I found that the limitations are down to the Unreal Editor that ships in with Gears PC does not have access to the Unreal Script files as they are "cooked".

So I did some simple searchin gin google and I found what seem to be the files from Gears PC in some way uncooked or decompiled. How far does that get any one?

The reason I ask is because I'd like to start working on a project that would do the following things to the game:

• provide a ping to the connection host on the server browser instead of the bars
• adjust weapon data (ala how EPIC now does with G3 server side, so we can finally fix the bloody 1 hit down longshot)
• allow for the client to download the missing custom content if they join the server.
• implement better ways to counter lag on the PC version. Even to make a "dummy" host.

If anyone knows if all is possible and the severity of getting it done let me know.

[bmbr1990]

*adjust weapon data (ala how EPIC now does with G3 server side, so we can finally fix the bloody 1 hit down longshot)
*allow for the client to download the missing custom content if they join the server.
*implement better ways to counter lag on the PC version. Even to make a "dummy" host.

These are for sure impossible to make. Even changing .ini files makes gears crash.

About MP Modes. We know that we can edit some parts of multiplayer, but we don't know how far we can make changes. Also if we want to change for example execution we have to make new map for it so simply MP_Warmachine.war will always use default modes, so we have to create ex. EMP_Warmachine.war or any s#!t you want before Warmachine.war. I really like idea for making new multiplayer modes but creating 5 modes would casue that we have to make for every mode new map (5 diffirent WarMachine maps). If i wouldn't have my mod to finish i would try to make some mp mode.

We can access Unreal Script files... We can't make new ones. Baking U files in UT3 and importing it in gears causes game crash.

[KakashiiX2]

*adjust weapon data (ala how EPIC now does with G3 server side, so we can finally fix the bloody 1 hit down longshot)
*allow for the client to download the missing custom content if they join the server.
*implement better ways to counter lag on the PC version. Even to make a "dummy" host.

These are for sure impossible to make. Even changing .ini files makes gears crash.

About MP Modes. We know that we can edit some parts of multiplayer, but we don't know how far we can make changes. Also if we want to change for example execution we have to make new map for it so simply MP_Warmachine.war will always use default modes, so we have to create ex. EMP_Warmachine.war or any s#!t you want before Warmachine.war. I really like idea for making new multiplayer modes but creating 5 modes would casue that we have to make for every mode new map (5 diffirent WarMachine maps). If i wouldn't have my mod to finish i would try to make some mp mode.

We can access Unreal Script files... We can't make new ones. Baking U files in UT3 and importing it in gears causes game crash.

Thanks for the detail info, so basically you are saying that there's some sort of encryption or code designated in the U files that are already cooked, and without it we cannot decompile and then recook so it works.

The whole concept behind the MP mdoes isn't that bad, just sucks that for the client they would need to download these copies, and without access to the code there's no way to make a client downloader / script. This bloody sucks, this game has absolute gorgeous potential and it's already going to be 2013. If we aren't getting G2 or G3 then why not just give us a new editor with access to the code?

[bmbr1990]

they won't vause microsoft is feared about its s#!tty live. and thats probably reason why Bulletstorm doesn't have editor

PS. I saw decompiler with Unreal script regenerator but GoW U packages still makes error while decompilling. If someone would get access to makeCommadlet in WarGame-G4WLive.exe it would be superb.

[KakashiiX2]

I created the following petition: bit.ly/MI3EVX please visit and cast your signature so we can revive gears pc

[bmbr1990]

bit.ly/MI3EVX that's better

[KakashiiX2]

bit.ly/MI3EVX that's better

thank you señor!

[Kung Fu Kantus]

Joe Graf diid say that the reason that UnrealScript didn't ship with the game was for security reasons. He also says it is possible to make your own script mods but says that the process is brutally hard.