My Gears experience is far different from what the forums make it seem

[llMurall]

I come to these forums a lot and hear people talk theory about guns and scenarios. I hear a lot about the necessity of teamwork and people being unable to win alone. I hear people saying that they can dominate with a lancer, and that they NEVER have problem with wallbouncers. I hear a lot about strategy, tactics, and coordination.

But the thing with me is, very rarely do I see all the things that people talk about here put into play in the real game. I play QM KotH mostly, and when I go into games, I almost never see the things that people pride on this forum being played out. Rarely do I see teamwork, and even the few times that I do, the strategies that people use aren't so great that I really need a counter-strategy to overcome. I, personally, have never needed a team to be successful. I've got a 3.2 WL and that's mostly from me playing alone.

I think that all the forum theory about how the game works lacks a lot of practical relevance. The average player of this game isn't very good at all, and though all the theory about needing a team and all that good stuff may technically be true, it really doesn't translate into law when it comes to the actual players of the game. Because the average player sucks, I am capable of going into a match and carrying the entire team to victory all by myself. Because the average player can't comprehend teamwork, I can dominate all the power weapons in a map by myself. Because the average player doesn't know the shotty metagame, I can consistently win fights where I should be at a disadvantage.

I'll skip to the point of this thread now: When it comes to applicable game strategies, the theory of teamwork is a lot less relevant to the actual game than individual skill. That's what I think, and I think so because I carry teams all the time. Through experience and bettering myself, I've come to understand the game mechanics and the playstyles of different players so well that I can change the course of an entire match by myself, and this, I think, is the skill that is the most relevant to the actual game. Teamwork and tactics and all the theory is good, but only when the players can put it into practice, and you simply can't do that when you're playing with randoms, which is what MOST of the gears community is doing. So if someone ever asks me how to get better at the game, I won't tell them to be a team player. I'll tell them to practice making themselves better. Learn to wallbounce, learn to strafe. Learn different wallbounce styles. Observe player habits. Think of ways to beat a specific thing that another player did to you. My advice to anyone is foremost is to be the best player that they can be. Yes, put everyone else behind you and do what YOU can do. It works for me.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

Don't get me wrong people can do well by themselves but NO-ONE can carry a team. If the opposing team is full of randoms maybe but an organized team especially a bunch of friends who can lock down a whole map because they know each others strategy. They would destroy you. I know because I've seen it happen. I've seen some of the top MLG players in the world get torn apart by organized teams. You can go 1000/0 and still lose if you don't have a team with skill and regardless how much better you did than them you wouldn't be able to have won with out the and if you say you can win by yourself play an organized team 1v5 by yourself you will get slaughtered. Because regardless of what you did? If they didt take the bullets for you you wouldn't have won. Teamwork helped you. You didn't do it by yourself they helped you by taking all the bullets and deaths for you.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

If your team wasn't there you would have lost. If I'm wrong play against a full team 1v5 them by yourself. You will get destroyed. You can't carry a team the team sacrificed their kd for you to win. You are a disgrace to gears if you think teamwork isn't in it. Its all around you but your arrogant attitude won't let you see it

[llMurall]

You're missing the point of this thread. I'm not saying that teamwork is worthless. I'm saying that, on average, my team needs ME a lot more than I need them. Of course I would lose without a team, but conversely, about 85% of the time my team would lose if I wasn't on it. When I play QM, regardless of how the teams are rearranged, my team wins the majority of the time. I've played against teams of friends several times, and even though it's often a greater challenge, my team still tends to come out on top. And that's without me always having to consider what my the team is doing.

I've played ranked. I've run into MLG teams and gotten an ass-whooping, but those ass-whoopings always come after about 9 wins, because organized teams are not a commodity. I'm talking about what's effective and relevant. The most relevant thing to this game is the QM experience, and the most effective strategy for the solo player is to do what he can and let others do whatever they want. That's what works for me, and what gets me stats like the one in my sig every day.

[MySpiritAnimal]

he is the most interesting man in the world...

[Yeneral Yank]

i understand what youre saying, but most of your stuff goes out the window because, like you admitted, your playing QM koth. realize this, most people playing in QM play for fun. they dont take the game seriously (or as seriously as you do), and maybe dont even care if they win. they arent trying to have the highest score, they simply are playing a video game. im not trying to take shots at you, im just pointing out some things.

you basically say that skills are more important then strategies because what good is a strategy if you cant handle a 1v. i agree, but again, this doesnt really apply when all the players in a lobby are good. THAT is when strategy becomes a huge part of gears, in competitive play, not in QM. in QM, skills> strategy.

my advice to you is to get into competitive play. you will get better as a player and realize that strategy plays a bigger role then it does in QM. (thats if you havnt already realized this)

[II ONYX ELI7E]

What I'm saying is that regardless of the team switch ups you had regardless of what little your team did yes you are a good player but every player on the team contributed to that win even if the contribution was getting splattered. If it wasn't them it could have been you. The team got the win not you even if you did most of the work you wouldn't have gotten close if your team wouldn't have been there that's my point. There is no such thing as carrying a team. If anythin the team took the bullets and pushed you across the finish line bloody and battered.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

And as far as 1v1's are concerned, they prove nothing but you can handle one person. A truely skilled player doesn't challenge every person to a 1v1 because most 1v1's are won by cheap shots with power weapons. When you have a whole team to worry about is when skill is applied. I mean in a 1v1 you have 1 person to worry about sure you can beat him but in a real 5v5 match let's see if you have enogh skill to gnasher the guys double teming you.

[Safety Skizzorz]

I have to agree with Murall. Teamwork is what will get you the win if you are playing a private match or with your team versus another actual team. But how often do you see that in Quick Match? I have only seen team v team in quick match 3 times at most, and even then, those games lasted for about 2 games or so before someone got upset and left, creating a waterfall effect that everyone just has to leave from that team. Most of the time in QM, it's a team of randoms versus a team of randoms, where one person is dominating for one team, and if the other team is lucky, they have someone dominating as well. I am using QM to describe these scenarios because majority of players used QM, and therefore that's where most games are played.

Teamwork can only work if you have effective communication, and randoms generally do not. If you want to get better and don't have a team to roll with, play QM and work on your own skills. That's all OP is trying to say, or that's at least what I've gathered.

[llMurall]

i understand what youre saying, but most of your stuff goes out the window because, like you admitted, your playing QM koth. realize this, most people playing in QM play for fun. they dont take the game seriously (or as seriously as you do), and maybe dont even care if they win. they arent trying to have the highest score, they simply are playing a video game. im not trying to take shots at you, im just pointing out some things.

you basically say that skills are more important then strategies because what good is a strategy if you cant handle a 1v. i agree, but again, this doesnt really apply when all the players in a lobby are good. THAT is when strategy becomes a huge part of gears, in competitive play, not in QM...

my advice to you is to get into competitive play. you will get better as a player and realize that strategy plays a bigger role then it does in QM. (thats if you havnt already realized this)

I'm glad to see that you understand what I'm saying. I do understand that strategy plays a bigger role in competitive play, but at the same time, I'm sure that less than 1% of the entire community plays competitively. The competitive standard is not relevant to the majority of the fanbase. Even most of the people here on this forum don't play competitively, so why is it that people like to bolster competitive standards that just aren't relevant to how they will actually end up playing the game. I think people are mixing up ideal play with actual play. That's all I'm saying.

I played competitively in Gears 2. I don't like to play Gears 3 competitively because it's always a riflefest. I know that I could be a good competitive player, but I really don't want to because the dominating styles of competitive play are boring. I much prefer to go in QM and make challenges for myself.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

I'm not saying you aren't good but 1v1 matches prove nothing. Plus online whoever is hosting or has lag advantage will win 95% of the time

[Yeneral Yank]

I have to agree with Murall. Teamwork is what will get you the win if you are playing a private match or with your team versus another actual team. But how often do you see that in Quick Match? I have only seen team v team in quick match 3 times at most, and even then, those games lasted for about 2 games or so before someone got upset and left, creating a waterfall effect that everyone just has to leave from that team. Most of the time in QM, it's a team of randoms versus a team of randoms, where one person is dominating for one team, and if the other team is lucky, they have someone dominating as well. I am using QM to describe these scenarios because majority of players used QM, and therefore that's where most games are played.

Teamwork can only work if you have effective communication, and randoms generally do not. If you want to get better and don't have a team to roll with, play QM and work on your own skills. That's all OP is trying to say, or that's at least what I've gathered.

idk if you read my first post. but basically what i was getting at is QM is not the place to find strategy OR particularly great players.

[Yeneral Yank]

I'm glad to see that you understand what I'm saying. I do understand that strategy plays a bigger role in competitive play, but at the same time, I'm sure that less than 1% of the entire community plays competitively. The competitive standard is not relevant to the majority of the fanbase. Even most of the people here on this forum don't play competitively, so why is it that people like to bolster competitive standards that just aren't relevant to how they will actually end up playing the game. I think people are mixing up ideal play with actual play. That's all I'm saying.

I played competitively in Gears 2. I don't like to play Gears 3 competitively because it's always a riflefest. I know that I could be a good competitive player, but I really don't want to because the dominating styles of competitive play are boring. I much prefer to go in QM and make challenges for myself.

if thats how you feel then all you can do is become a better player. keep setting personal goals and try to get to them. my point is that QM isnt a place of strategy (and it shouldnt be for that matter).

even when i play with friends (which are usually real life friends) the most communication that goes on is "yo theres someone behind you." thats the extent of our strategy lol

[II ONYX ELI7E]

In QM there is no challenge though I play competitively in gears 3 and if you want a challenge stop going into a QM with nothing but randoms who can't even curse each other out without getting confused. That's all that's. In QM is mostly random players who don't care if they win or lose so they don't play hard that's why you dominate but I'm sure if half of them gave a crap you wouldn't dominate as much as you claim to or do most of the work. If you play with competitive people you won't do so well. So if you brag you are so good play competitively, no one is impressed that you can destroy a lobby of randoms any good player can do that but can you do it if the whole lobby was serious and good like you no so stop bragging about how good you are cuz beating a lobby full of randoms proves only that you can beat people who aren't even taking the match serious and could care less if they lose

[Safety Skizzorz]

i understand what youre saying, but most of your stuff goes out the window because, like you admitted, your playing QM koth. realize this, most people playing in QM play for fun. they dont take the game seriously (or as seriously as you do), and maybe dont even care if they win. they arent trying to have the highest score, they simply are playing a video game. im not trying to take shots at you, im just pointing out some things.

you basically say that skills are more important then strategies because what good is a strategy if you cant handle a 1v. i agree, but again, this doesnt really apply when all the players in a lobby are good. THAT is when strategy becomes a huge part of gears, in competitive play, not in QM. in QM, skills> strategy.

my advice to you is to get into competitive play. you will get better as a player and realize that strategy plays a bigger role then it does in QM. (thats if you havnt already realized this)

I beg to differ with your statement that QM players don't take this game seriously. The only time I ever hear randoms talk is when they are complaining about why they are losing or calling bs and whatnot. If they weren't serious about winning, they wouldn't be vocal about those kinds of things.

Also, he's clearly speaking from personal experience, which from my personal experience, I've seen the same exact things he's seen, and you have seen exactly what we've seen. Nothing in the OP said anything about "what if the team is good, or what if you're in a competitive game?" Those scenes don't play out very often, making them the exception, not the rule.

[Yeneral Yank]

I beg to differ with your statement that QM players don't take this game seriously. The only time I ever hear randoms talk is when they are complaining about why they are losing or calling bs and whatnot. If they weren't serious about winning, they wouldn't be vocal about those kinds of things.

Also, he's clearly speaking from personal experience, which from my personal experience, I've seen the same exact things he's seen, and you have seen exactly what we've seen. Nothing in the OP said anything about "what if the team is good, or what if you're in a competitive game?" Those scenes don't play out very often, making them the exception, not the rule.

ok but even if QM players take this game seriously. they probably dont take it as seriously as ranked players or competitive players. and out of QM, ranked, and competitive play, QM is the most likely place youll find lack of strategy and skill. and for that matter, they probably dont take the game as seriously the OP does.

also, players "complaining about why they are losing or calling bs and whatnot" doesnt make them a serious player by ANY means.

[bronx bomber]

Most forum members run with clans atleast that's my understanding so they will post with that mindset but most
don't run with teams

I see alot of poeple posting on proper ways to play horde and forum members give great suggestions but when I play horde solo
I see the most atrocious strategies for Horde it's hard to watch sometimes

[Safety Skizzorz]

In QM there is no challenge though I play competitively in gears 3 and if you want a challenge stop going into a QM with nothing but randoms who can't even curse each other out without getting confused. That's all that's. In QM is mostly random players who don't care if they win or lose so they don't play hard that's why you dominate but I'm sure if half of them gave a crap you wouldn't dominate as much as you claim to or do most of the work. If you play with competitive people you won't do so well. So if you brag you are so good play competitively, no one is impressed that you can destroy a lobby of randoms any good player can do that but can you do it if the whole lobby was serious and good like you no so stop bragging about how good you are cuz beating a lobby full of randoms proves only that you can beat people who aren't even taking the match serious and could care less if they lose

Nobody asked you to be impressed, nor did they ask you to get all riled up about this subject, because you are clearly a little angered by this. Calm down, and read this. No one said that having individual skill is the only thing that will ever let you win. There is always a time and a place for teamwork and the skills that are involved. QM is not one of those places, and no one said it was. However, since about 90% of players play QM (I'm pulling that number out of my butt, but we all know it's a greater majority), 90% of Gears 3 players don't need teamwork when they play. So why should we try and make the ideal gameplay standard for competitive multiplayer the standard for all games? Also, no one said anything about 1v1 and how it proves how good you are. Calm down.

[Safety Skizzorz]

Double post :O

[Safety Skizzorz]

ok but even if QM players take this game seriously. they probably dont take it as seriously as ranked players or competitive players. and out of QM, ranked, and competitive play, QM is the most likely place youll find lack of strategy and skill. and for that matter, they probably dont take the game as seriously the OP does.

also, players "complaining about why they are losing or calling bs and whatnot" doesnt make them a serious player by ANY means.

Now you're just being difficult. You can't base a defense on your position on "probably". Just because Ranked players "probably" take the game more seriously than others, you still have no footing to use. In addition to that, I hate the "yes [insert what other person just said, agreeing], but [made up statement about why you are more right]" tactic. It's ridiculous.

When players complain about why they are losing and blah blah what I said earlier, I never made them out to be a serious, competitive player. They are serious at that moment, playing the game, because it's human nature to want to win. Even casuals want to win. So in that moment, during that game they they complain in, they are a serious player. They may not be serious enough to go into a tournament, or serious enough to put in a lot of time to get better, but they are serious about winning, and that's all that matters in that game.

[Yeneral Yank]

Now you're just being difficult. You can't base a defense on your position on "probably". Just because Ranked players "probably" take the game more seriously than others, you still have no footing to use. In addition to that, I hate the "yes [insert what other person just said, agreeing], but [made up statement about why you are more right]" tactic. It's ridiculous.

When players complain about why they are losing and blah blah what I said earlier, I never made them out to be a serious, competitive player. They are serious at that moment, playing the game, because it's human nature to want to win. Even casuals want to win. So in that moment, during that game they they complain in, they are a serious player. They may not be serious enough to go into a tournament, or serious enough to put in a lot of time to get better, but they are serious about winning, and that's all that matters in that game.

so are you trying to tell me QM players take the game as seriously as ranked players or competitive players? that was my point, dont tell me im being difficult. look what you just wrote in that 2nd blurb. im sorry, i didnt know someone complaining about the game for a second made them a serious player....

edit: if you ask me thats being pretty picky and difficult...

[II ONYX ELI7E]

On another thought there are people who play ranked and would destroy this guy. So what if you can dominate a lobby of randoms. Any good player can. I guaruntee the reason he doesn't play ranked is because he knows hell get destroyed. So he stays in QM and picks on randoms and he comes and posts how good he is because he can beat randoms. If you are so good go play against better players. You can challenge good clans on gamebattles at majorleaguegaming.com, so go play people who will give you a challenge if you are so good. But you won't because you aren't as good as you claim to be. End of story I'm done with this guy because he doesn't get the point. Keep killing randoms in QM and don't let me find you in a ranked lobby ill destroy you.

[llMurall]

Onyx, please don't delude yourself into thinking that you know how and why I play this game. I said already that I go in ranked. To elaborate, I have a group of friends that I go into ranked with. We do well a lot. The only time me and my team loses is when we run into a rifle clan. Everybody else we run into loses. However, I don't play ranked very often because my friends aren't always on and I do other things with my life other than play gears of war. Sometimes I play Gears for 30 minutes in a day, other days its two hours, either way, it makes me a very unreliable ranked partner. But when I do play ranked, I always hold my own. Stop making assumptions.

As for this discussion about serious players, if we are defining "serious" as people who use all the best strategies to win, then I am far from a serious player. I intentionally do things that aren't smart just to see if I can do them. If I wanted to be serious, I would've started using the retro a long time ago. But for all intents and purposes, "serious" players don't impress me. I'm only impressed when someone does something that I can't do, so the only things I find impressive in this game now are good wallbouncers and good snipers. Being "serious" doesn't make you good. If this game was less affected by internet connections, and there was less rifle dominance in competitive play, I'd be more inclined to have respect for the competitive game .

[Safety Skizzorz]

so are you trying to tell me QM players take the game as seriously as ranked players or competitive players? that was my point, dont tell me im being difficult. look what you just wrote in that 2nd blurb. im sorry, i didnt know someone complaining about the game for a second made them a serious player....

edit: if you ask me thats being pretty picky and difficult...

That is not at all what I was trying to say, you're just taking that from what I said, because that's what you want to hear, so that you can win. You're getting pretty serious about this. No, you're not a serious debater, but you're serious about this conversation. BAM LAWYERED OVER AND DONE.

On another thought there are people who play ranked and would destroy this guy. So what if you can dominate a lobby of randoms. Any good player can. I guaruntee the reason he doesn't play ranked is because he knows hell get destroyed. So he stays in QM and picks on randoms and he comes and posts how good he is because he can beat randoms. If you are so good go play against better players. You can challenge good clans on gamebattles at majorleaguegaming.com, so go play people who will give you a challenge if you are so good. But you won't because you aren't as good as you claim to be. End of story I'm done with this guy because he doesn't get the point. Keep killing randoms in QM and don't let me find you in a ranked lobby ill destroy you.

You don't know this man at all, and somehow you can guarantee why he plays the game types he does? Could you please tell me how you are able to, with such confidence, tell us how he is an awful player and why he has to play QM? Of course someone running solo isn't going to play ranked! No one said playing against a full team was a feasible thing to do by yourself. Chances are he'll run into a party of at least 4, and they're going to be communicating with each other. Why should he play ranked without a team? Why should anyone? They shouldn't.

You're becoming really hostile about this, and there's really no reason why you should be. And it's fairly apparent that he isn't in a clan, what with playing solo most of the time (from what he's said). So why are you telling him to challenge clans or do gamebattles? That's like telling a shark to just go fight an elephant if the shark is killing all the fish he eats.

edit: playing solo enough of the time to have started this thread.

[Yeneral Yank]

i thought we were having a discussion until you wrote that lol. you continue your conversation with onyx tho? gg

[llMurall]

Also, it's perfectly possible for people to be serious about the game in different ways. Some people are serious about competitive play, some people are serious about about getting good with a particular weapon. Some people are even serious about horde. I've got a friend who's in the top 20 of execution QM players. He's pretty serious about that leaderboard, but he's not serious about getting a team and lancering everything down in competitive matches. People can be serious about whatever they want. Winning isn't the only way to judge who's serious about what.

[TAO Devil]

Not disagreeing with anything you said. I will say this however. Teamwork in Gears 3 is MUCH more important than the previous titles.

[Safety Skizzorz]

I guess I saw the funnies in the last 2 statements geared (PUN) towards you, and I apologize if you did not. Maybe I'm not all that funny, :O No but really, "serious" doesn't have to mean dedicated. They are not synonymous. Serious, at least the way I was using it, was to mean that the players wanted to win, determined.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

You seem to miss my point to llMurall, only *****es and noobs use retro from a vet point ov veiw and my point of veiw. The only weapons that require skill is the gnasher, the hammerburst, the longshot, the torque bow, the boltok, and the snub. The lancer and retro take no skill to use. Second every good strategy starts off as an attempt to see if they could pull something off. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't but the fact of the matter is if you play QM good for you, but how can you say the entire game doesn't involve strategy because of some weak randoms you dominate in QM. Like I said any goos player can dominate a lobby full of randoms in QM. Beating noobs doesn't take skill its target practice, and he gets online here and braggs about how good he is because he can win in QM. SO WHAT?


Second to Saftey Skizzorz, the same up there as I told him he can play QM all he wants and beat all the randoms he wants I don't care. My problem is where he says the entire game doesn't require strategy when all he plays is QM which doesn't require strategy. How can you speak for competitive players and game types when all you play is a game type that is for fun. QM doesn't require strategy because people play QM for fun. So how can he use QM to speak for ranked and gamebattles people and game types? He can't because they are different.

[LEGI0N47]

he is the most interesting man in the world...

LOL, that's about what i got out of it, or at least in Sera.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

He can play QM all he wants just stop bragging like you are better than everyone because you can beat people playing for fun

[II ONYX ELI7E]

I come from the old days hammerburst and gnasher boltok maybe. Don't get ahead of yourself ill wallbounce circles around you. I have a 4.0 koth K/D R. For a reason.

[II ONYX ELI7E]

I pull off 100 kills in 2 rounds of 180 ring count koth. I'm not the THERON you wanna screw with

[Safety Skizzorz]

You seem to miss my point to llMurall, only *****es and noobs use retro from a vet point ov veiw and my point of veiw. The only weapons that require skill is the gnasher, the hammerburst, the longshot, the torque bow, the boltok, and the snub. The lancer and retro take no skill to use. Second every good strategy starts off as an attempt to see if they could pull something off. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't but the fact of the matter is if you play QM good for you, but how can you say the entire game doesn't involve strategy because of some weak randoms you dominate in QM. Like I said any goos player can dominate a lobby full of randoms in QM. Beating noobs doesn't take skill its target practice, and he gets online here and braggs about how good he is because he can win in QM. SO WHAT?


Second to Saftey Skizzorz, the same up there as I told him he can play QM all he wants and beat all the randoms he wants I don't care. My problem is where he says the entire game doesn't require strategy when all he plays is QM which doesn't require strategy. How can you speak for competitive players and game types when all you play is a game type that is for fun. QM doesn't require strategy because people play QM for fun. So how can he use QM to speak for ranked and gamebattles people and game types? He can't because they are different.

First off, he never was bragging. It's called an anecdote, or a short story or explanation, and it was just to help further show his point. That's not bragging.

Secondly, every gun requires skill, you just refuse to understand that. It takes a lot of work to down someone with a lancer, non-preactived, while they're wallbouncing towards you with their Gnasher. I primarily use the Gnasher, but the lancer and even the retro and SO, as much as I hate them, take skill to use effectively.

And third, could you please give me a quote where he explicitly said that the entire game doesn't require strategy? I never once saw that, nor read anything he posted that might even try to say that. You're putting words in his mouth, and that invalidates your entire point. Sorry.

[Safety Skizzorz]

Wait a minute... Who's bragging..?

[II ONYX ELI7E]

His first post the one that started the thread . The fourth section of that one post pretty much states that the game itself doesn't require strategy it requires skill and it doesn't say that directly but he does make it known that's what me means. And anyways I'm done because you guys really don't understand anything unless it agrees with what you are saying so I'm done. But regardless have your fun in QM and ill get to the Pro Curcuit. Peace.

[Safety Skizzorz]

His first post the one that started the thread . The fourth section of that one post pretty much states that the game itself doesn't require strategy it requires skill and it doesn't say that directly but he does make it known that's what me means. And anyways I'm done because you guys really don't understand anything unless it agrees with what you are saying so I'm done. But regardless have your fun in QM and ill get to the Pro Curcuit. Peace.

I'm pretty sure he in fact said the word "most" and it was in all caps, emphasizing that he said and meant most, not all. That's all I have to say about that.

[LoD FENIX]

I come from the old days hammerburst and gnasher boltok maybe. Don't get ahead of yourself ill wallbounce circles around you. I have a 4.0 koth K/D R. For a reason.

I pull off 100 kills in 2 rounds of 180 ring count koth. I'm not the THERON you wanna screw with

Says the guy who tells the OP to not brag.

Your implying that Ranked only has "skilled" players and QM has none, this is false.

Not everyone plays QM for fun. They chose to play QM because it better suits their time available to be online, just because this is the case does not mean they are bad at the game.

To tell the OP to not brag about QM but you being allowed to brag about your Ranked stats makes you look foolish. Both playlists have good and bad players.

[cmann333]

His first post the one that started the thread . The fourth section of that one post pretty much states that the game itself doesn't require strategy it requires skill and it doesn't say that directly but he does make it known that's what me means. And anyways I'm done because you guys really don't understand anything unless it agrees with what you are saying so I'm done. But regardless have your fun in QM and ill get to the Pro Curcuit. Peace.

I bet you're not done. Lol you should though because YOU are the one that doesn't understand. He explained himself multiple times but you just keep coming back with more arguments. Let it go...

[II ONYX ELI7E]

Dude this post has been dead for over 2 hours. No one else but you two has posted anything for a while stop trying to start up old arguements and before you come after me I wasn't the only one who called him out. Two, I only bragged because he did, third he didn't make his point a single time he contradicted himself more than once. And tried to use our own words to support what he was saying when we were clearly against it. Fourth, I could care less about his arrogance and fifth, I'm not saying that all people in QM suck, I go off a majority just like he did, and if you are getting at me for saying most people in QM suck tell him too his was the one bragging about how garbage everyone was and how he could carry a team . Get the facts right before you start putting opinions in an argument you have no idea about. Peace.