Gnasher, should the Gears 1 random spread return?

[Black RL]

Hi Gears heads

Been reading the forums and it's interesting to see how people talk about the gnasher so passionately. People love the gnasher battles, specially the ones from Gears 1, they want them back but some things are gone or changed from Gears 1, things like:

-Stopping power
-Lag (part of it anyways)
-Host power (part of it anyways)
-Random spread (in Gears 1 the spread was random, in Gears 2 and 3 the spread is always the same, you can test in a wall to see)

It seems stopping power is going to be removed from the next game, so the question is, should the random spread make a comeback? Or do you all prefer to exactly know where your pellets land?

I'm not sure myself, I like the random/hard/luck/skill feeling of Gears 1 battles but I also like to control my gun, so, what do you guys think about this?

[Zaxuk]

Hope they keep it non-random. However what is this about stopping power being removed?

[Black RL]

It seems ZETA settings in Gears 3 mp is testing the removal of stopping power and it's effects.

EDIT: your signature is SPOT ON mate.

[TAO Devil]

Hell. NO.

The random spread was HORRIBLE. At least with the consistent spread, it's pretty much even. With the random spread, one shot could down you, while they might take 4 shots.

@Zal: Stopping power is gone.

[Zaxuk]

Random spread is a no-go for me. Elements of randomness don't belong in shooters.

[Black RL]

The random spread was HORRIBLE. At least with the consistent spread, it's pretty much even. With the random spread, one shot could down you, while they might take 4 shots.

True! But wasn't this exact horrible thing that contributed for awesome gnasher battles? Interesting no?

[TAO Devil]

True! But wasn't this exact horrible thing that contributed for awesome gnasher battles? Interesting no?

Not in the slightest. They were a severe point of frustration. When I go back to play gears 1, the gnasher is beyond disappointing. Consistent spread was a HUGE step in the right direction.

[Black RL]

Not in the slightest. They were a severe point of frustration. When I go back to play gears 1, the gnasher is beyond disappointing. Consistent spread was a HUGE step in the right direction.

Ehehehehhehe also true!

But tell me, just for the record, you reckon that random spread contributed for gnasher "dancing around" battles? Right?

[TAO Devil]

Ehehehehhehe also true!

But tell me, just for the record, you reckon that random spread contributed for gnasher "dancing around" battles? Right?

oh definitely. but it also was the reason two-piece was adopted. took the random away.

[Black RL]

oh definitely. but it also was the reason two-piece was adopted. took the random away.

Not always, but in some cases it's true yes.

Anyway, that's why I'm always saying that Gears 1 will not happen again, because the conditions that made him unique are gone. People want the battles back but they don't want what caused them in the first place back. I'm not saying that I want that factors back or that they were right or that Gears 1 is better, I'm just showing some interesting facts

[M Carmine]

The Gears 1 headshots were funny but it was aggravating to point blank someone 2 times and they beat you down.

[Black RL]

Yeah, true! Good times! Eheheheheheeheh ^^

[Cryra]

Hell. NO.

The random spread was HORRIBLE. At least with the consistent spread, it's pretty much even. With the random spread, one shot could down you, while they might take 4 shots.

@Zal: Stopping power is gone.

No way? Really? Brilliant news!

[theassman007]

I don't know if the random spread is a good thing. The point to take into account is the strength of the rifles has changed from gears 1 to gears 3. You need to give the gnasher a set amount of damage at whatever range. If someone is using a rifle at mid range and you are trying to shoot them with your random spread gnasher, no chance in hell you will get them. And yes I know you shouldn't be using the gnasher at mid range, I'm just saying hypothetically, it will be weaker in comparison to every rifle by a lot.

Secondly, rather than the random spread, I would prefer there to be a nerf and less of an active damage boost. If this happened, you wouldn't get shot from like 5 feet away and get full red. Gnasher battles need to be like this:

-if you are point blank or near point blank, high chance of gibbing.

-if you are at like 3-5 feet, 2-3 shots to down

-if you are at like 5-7 feet, 4-5 shots to down

Perhaps I'm a little off, or completely off, but I think this would bring back those awesome gnasher battles, because it's got nothing to do with skill anymore, just who lands that first, deadly shot.

[not presc1ence]

But Gears 1 didn't have a random spread though. On any of the weapons as far as i can remember.

Gears 2 did, hence (as someone pointed out) the rise of the reverse two piece (punchy-shooty). Making it consistent again is a large part of what keeps me in gears now. G2's punchy randomness is what ruined it for me, and was actually the gears that implemented randomness into ALL blind-firing (also ruining blind-fire sniping).

Anyways all the blind fires should re-gain there consistency and the gnasher should keep it.

[WaldoRtk7]

No way? Really? Brilliant news!

http://www.gearscon.com/2012/06/gear...t-full-review/ Read the bottom portion

[TAO Devil]

But Gears 1 didn't have a random spread though. On any of the weapons as far as i can remember.

Gears 2 did, hence (as someone pointed out) the rise of the reverse two piece (punchy-shooty). Making it consistent again is a large part of what keeps me in gears now. G2's punchy randomness is what ruined it for me, and was actually the gears that implemented randomness into ALL blind-firing (also ruining blind-fire sniping).

Anyways all the blind fires should re-gain there consistency and the gnasher should keep it.

You're kidding right? Gears 1 gnasher had a random spread every time you shot. Gears 2 did not.

[Cryra]

http://www.gearscon.com/2012/06/gear...t-full-review/ Read the bottom portion

"Stopping Power is Removed: We can confirm that stopping power was not in OverRun. The Lancer Assault did not slow down your opponents when they were rushing towards you."

Ahhhh! Pretty happy right now : )
Thanks for the link mate.

[Locust BarmyArmy]

But Gears 1 didn't have a random spread though. On any of the weapons as far as i can remember.

Gears 2 did, hence (as someone pointed out) the rise of the reverse two piece (punchy-shooty). Making it consistent again is a large part of what keeps me in gears now. G2's punchy randomness is what ruined it for me, and was actually the gears that implemented randomness into ALL blind-firing (also ruining blind-fire sniping).

Anyways all the blind fires should re-gain there consistency and the gnasher should keep it.

Other way round dude - Gears 1 was random, Gears 2 wasn't, it was just inconsistent.

I don't think I fancy the sound of more random spread, it just seems to put a focus on pot luck as opposed to actually playing well all the time. I'll pass on this one Black.

[RΛVMzilla]

I don't really fancy the sound of ANYTHING being Random in game as intensely competitive as Gears of War.

[Demonz II]

No the gears 1 gnasher was so inconsistent. You could headshot some one without even aiming at them.

[Black RL]

Other way round dude - Gears 1 was random, Gears 2 wasn't, it was just inconsistent.

I don't think I fancy the sound of more random spread, it just seems to put a focus on pot luck as opposed to actually playing well all the time. I'll pass on this one Black.

No problem mate, this is just to see people ideas and to have a good debate.

Again, it's interesting to see how people want the Gears 1 gnasher battles but don't want what caused them, not saying that I want it, just pointing out funny facts

Gears 1 will stay in our memories, that's all.

[SQuirrel147]

If it means it doesn't 2 shot down at long ranges. Hell even in CQC it shouldn't down in 2 shots. IDC what they do. Random spread wouldn't bother me. But it's not the only way to reduce it's range.

The reason that Gears 1 Gnasher battles are so fun is because usually, it took 3-4 shots to down, so most went for a gib. It has issues sometimes. Getting one-shot downed etc. But nothing that doesn't already happen in Gears 2/3's Gnasher. The length of Gnasher battles in Gears 1 is what made them fun. Plus the fact that it didn't really matter how many people were shooting you, unless they were in gib range.

[Black RL]

Exactly, and one of the contributors to that was the random spread because not all pellets would land. Now, with less lag and no random spread all pellets hit resulting in more one shot downs, one shot gibs, etc.

[SQuirrel147]

Exactly, and one of the contributors to that was the random spread because not all pellets would land. Now, with less lag and no random spread all pellets hit resulting in more one shot downs, one shot gibs, etc.

That isn't to say you can't get the same experience with a non-random spread. Just reduce the damage each pellet does, add damage drop-off. I liked the Gears 1 Gnasher, I understand it had issues. But so do the Gears 2 and 3 Gnashers. I just find the Gears 1 Gnasher the least frustrating.

[Black RL]

That isn't to say you can't get the same experience with a non-random spread. Just reduce the damage each pellet does, add damage drop-off. I liked the Gears 1 Gnasher, I understand it had issues. But so do the Gears 2 and 3 Gnashers. I just find the Gears 1 Gnasher the least frustrating.

Problem is gib, how can you down damage and still have one shot gibs? Can you imagine a gnasher without one shot gibs? I know I can't.

Gears 1 conditions aren't happening again soon

[Milky Pirate]

Hey Black I haven't seen you post in a while.

I'm not sure to be honest what made the Gears 1 shotgun battles so magical. Something seemed to work really well in terms of the shotgun rate of fire in relation to the character movement which led to some great strafey fights, not to mention the wallbouncey ones. One thing that seemed more prevalent in Gears 1 unless I'm imagining it is that the first shot often didn't do a great deal of damage, unless it was actived which was OP, whereas nowadays particularly in the second Gears people can hard-aim a very meaty shot in to you which pushes the fight greatly in their favour already even if they are bad with the shotgun. It was nice to have to land several accurate shots.

[SQuirrel147]

Problem is gib, how can you down damage and still have one shot gibs? Can you imagine a gnasher without one shot gibs? I know I can't.

Gears 1 conditions aren't happening again soon

That's why you reduce the damage outside of gib range. Look at it this way.

[Gnasher}-[Gib=600]--[damage=220]---[Long range=30]--

Pardon my horrible draw up. But as you can see, you can keep the Gnashers gib range at 600 damage (Max character health) but reduce the rest of it. Obviously the rest of the numbers are made up. But they can do this for the Gnasher I am pretty sure.

[upsmadman]

Have u used the gears 3 gnasher. Do u still believe its consistent pellets. Lmao just joking. Hell no to random pellets. I dont want to play russian roulette when trying to down someone. Im not very lucky lmao

[Black RL]

Hey Black I haven't seen you post in a while.

I'm not sure to be honest what made the Gears 1 shotgun battles so magical. Something seemed to work really well in terms of the shotgun rate of fire in relation to the character movement which led to some great strafey fights, not to mention the wallbouncey ones. One thing that seemed more prevalent in Gears 1 unless I'm imagining it is that the first shot often didn't do a great deal of damage, unless it was actived which was OP, whereas nowadays particularly in the second Gears people can hard-aim a very meaty shot in to you which pushes the fight greatly in their favour already even if they are bad with the shotgun. It was nice to have to land several accurate shots.

Hey mate! Didn't had anything that important to say, Gears 3 is a pretty good game overall imo.

Yes, thats what I talk in the op.

That's why you reduce the damage outside of gib range. Look at it this way.

[Gnasher}-[Gib=600]--[damage=220]---[Long range=30]--

Pardon my horrible draw up. But as you can see, you can keep the Gnashers gib range at 600 damage (Max character health) but reduce the rest of it. Obviously the rest of the numbers are made up. But they can do this for the Gnasher I am pretty sure.

I understand your example, don't worry, problem is gnasher doesn't work with a cone of damage like the sos but with damage per pellets. When people talk about gib range what is really happening is that the opponent is so close and in aim that a certain amount of pellets, enough to instant kill, hit him.

That's why I talk about the random spread, in Gears 1 the spread was random and that's one of the reasons the gib wouldn't happen.

Have u used the gears 3 gnasher. Do u still believe its consistent pellets. Lmao just joking. Hell no to random pellets. I dont want to play russian roulette when trying to down someone. Im not very lucky lmao

Yes! That's why I use the sos many times! LOL

Just joking, but the gnasher can be frustrating at times. Russian roulette..... Reminds me of my childhood..... Ehehehehehehehe!

[Black RL]

Hey Black I haven't seen you post in a while.

I'm not sure to be honest what made the Gears 1 shotgun battles so magical. Something seemed to work really well in terms of the shotgun rate of fire in relation to the character movement which led to some great strafey fights, not to mention the wallbouncey ones. One thing that seemed more prevalent in Gears 1 unless I'm imagining it is that the first shot often didn't do a great deal of damage, unless it was actived which was OP, whereas nowadays particularly in the second Gears people can hard-aim a very meaty shot in to you which pushes the fight greatly in their favour already even if they are bad with the shotgun. It was nice to have to land several accurate shots.

Hey mate! Didn't had anything that important to say, Gears 3 is a pretty good game overall imo.

Yes, thats what I talk in the op.

That's why you reduce the damage outside of gib range. Look at it this way.

[Gnasher}-[Gib=600]--[damage=220]---[Long range=30]--

Pardon my horrible draw up. But as you can see, you can keep the Gnashers gib range at 600 damage (Max character health) but reduce the rest of it. Obviously the rest of the numbers are made up. But they can do this for the Gnasher I am pretty sure.

I understand your example, don't worry, problem is gnasher doesn't work with a cone of damage like the sos but with damage per pellets. When people talk about gib range what is really happening is that the opponent is so close and in aim that a certain amount of pellets, enough to instant kill, hit him.

That's why I talk about the random spread, in Gears 1 the spread was random and that's one of the reasons the gib wouldn't happen.

Have u used the gears 3 gnasher. Do u still believe its consistent pellets. Lmao just joking. Hell no to random pellets. I dont want to play russian roulette when trying to down someone. Im not very lucky lmao

Yes! That's why I use the sos many times! LOL

Just joking, but the gnasher can be frustrating at times. Russian roulette..... Reminds me of my childhood..... Ehehehehehehehe!

[123MAN]

This covers my views.