Gears of War Judgment: Armor issues (Crimson Omen)

[| Crimson |]

Hasn't anyone noticed that Baird's armor is nothing like the armor he had before (Gears 1 + 2). The standard COG issued armor outfit was like Minh Young Kim, Anthony & Ben Carmine. There is supposed to be a black Crimson Omen in the center of the armor and it is missing. What it looks like to me is that they kept the armor of Gears 3 and put sleeves on when it was really suppose to be the underplates of the outfitted armor they had in prior Gears....

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

Hasn't anyone noticed that Baird's armor is nothing like the armor he had before (Gears 1 + 2). The standard COG issued armor outfit was like Kim, Anthony & Ben Carmine. There is supposed to be a black Crimson Omen in the center of the armor and it is missing. What it looks like to me is that they kept the armor of Gears 3 and put sleeves on when it was really suppose to be the underplates of the outfitted armor they had in prior Gears....

New games usually mean new appearances.

I don't think that EPIC really cares that in Gears 1 and 2 he had different armor.

For all we know, he could have changed his armor by that time.

[Parasidian]

Armor doesn't last forever, maybe it got ruined and he needed a new set.

[Trugamer97]

I like the armor Baird has in Judgment and I don't want it changed.

[LambentHammerburst]

Baird is a squad leader in this. So makes sense for him to have different armor than in GoW1 where he had to follow Marcus' orders (demoted).

[Fishead John]

Baird is a squad leader in this. So makes sense for him to have different armor than in GoW1 where he had to follow Marcus' orders (demoted).

I thought rank insignia was only painted on?

That and at this point I think whatever wargear they get is just what is handed out or salvaged from your buddy's corpse to replace your own broken bit.

[| Crimson |]

You guys don't get what I'm saying. The armor he has in Judgment is like that of Gears 3 minus the sleeves but in Gears 3, Chris and others from EPIC had stated that they removed the top plates of their armor because the hot summer season change. This goes to explain why most of them in Gears 3 don't have the Crimson Omen logo on their armor (because it is the underplate exposed) aside from Clay Carmine and others who figured the COG is no more despite still believeing in the Octus Cannon. Seeing that this is a prequel he should have the armor with a Crimson Omen logo on it because all the soldiers had them. The way he looks now is pretty much with the underplates armor with sleeves and it doesn't make any sense because this is the COG who just won the Pendulum wars to become the Global government....

[Time Victim]

For all we know, he could have worn a cape and boxers at some point before Gears 1.

[Bazinga-A7X]

You guys don't get what I'm saying. The armor he has in Judgment is like that of Gears 3 minus the sleeves but in Gears 3, Chris and others from EPIC had stated that they removed the top plates of their armor because the hot summer season change. This goes to explain why most of them in Gears 3 don't have the Crimson Omen logo on their armor (because it is the underplate exposed) aside from Clay Carmine and others who figured the COG is no more despite still believeing in the Octus Cannon. Seeing that this is a prequel he should have the armor with a Crimson Omen logo on it because all the soldiers had them. The way he looks now is pretty much with the underplates armor with sleeves....

This goes into the "Who Cares" doomed thread list. Really dude, you have an issue with this. Gears 1, every character had the same armour, but a different head. In GOwJ he looks badass.

[Bazinga-A7X]

For all we know, he could have worn a cape and boxers at some point before Gears 1.

How about a thong!!!!!

[Coleyman]

Baird is a squad leader in this. So makes sense for him to have different armor than in GoW1 where he had to follow Marcus' orders (demoted).

Kim was a lieutenant, yet he wore standard infantry armour...

Marcus was a sergeant, yet he wore another variant of standard infantry armour...

[| Crimson |]

This goes into the "Who Cares" doomed thread list. Really dude, you have an issue with this. Gears 1, every character had the same armour, but a different head. In GOwJ he looks badass.

Because EPIC have been very consistent with the Lore and for someone like myself who loves it. I like for it to continue its consistency. I know it doesn't make or break the game but when you begin with slip ups like that, the floodgates open. Just think about all the clocks in Gears 3 (Old Town, Clocktower) they were adjusted to show the 13th hour since fans pointed the mistake when it was 12 hour clock. Sera has 26 hours in a day, they corrected it because it was a legit little error but the effort was put it because EPIC themselves care about following the lore.

[RoboSeal1]

Off topic but i hope the crimson omen is unblocked this time, and i wonder which one will retun gears 1-2 or gears 3 version?

Put the gamertag that killed you back to the battlefeed, it was fine but led to people going after their nemesis all the time

[Time Victim]

How about a thong!!!!!

Sure. Why not? Give the people what they came for.

[Coleyman]

Marcus was given an older variant armor, mostly used in the Pendulum wars since he was in prison and they had less resources.

That was Marcus' armoure before his imprisonment. It's his armour. Note the weathered sergeant's insignia on the right pauldron. Also, if we assume that the cover of Aspho Fields was a correct representation of Marcus, he wore a different set of armour during the Pendulum Wars.

[Bazinga-A7X]

Because EPIC have been very consistent with the Lore and for someone like myself who loves it. I like for it to continue its consistency. I know it doesn't make or break the game but when you begin with slip ups like that, the floodgates open. Just think about all the clocks in Gears 3 (Old Town, Clocktower) they were adjusted to show the 13th hour since fans pointed the mistake when it was 12 hour clock. Sera has 26 hours in a day, they corrected it because it was a legit little error but the effort was put it because EPIC themselves care about following the lore.

Again, "IT'S A GAME" Following your thinking, let's remove the Lancer from this game, as it was introduced 1 year after E-day, yet this game takes place weeks/ months after E-Day. Also, Game Cannon overrules

[| Crimson |]

Kim was a lieutenant, yet he wore standard infantry armour...

Marcus was a sergeant, yet he wore another variant of standard infantry armour...

Marcus was given an older variant armor, mostly used in the Pendulum wars since he was in prison and they had less resources.

[Mr shWo]

does anyone actually care?

[jmfchuckie]

He probably got new armor when he lost his Lieutenant ranking.

[| Crimson |]

Again, "IT'S A GAME" Following your thinking, let's remove the Lancer from this game, as it was introduced 1 year after E-day, yet this game takes place weeks/ months after E-Day. Also, Game Cannon overrules

Are you sure it took a year? I read the books and I don't think they stated that. All they said is shortly after the Locust emerged the idea with the saw was taken to Adam Fenix and he made improvements to the Lancer. The timeline in Judgment seems to fit ok with it being months after Emergence Day

[Time Victim]

Honestly, it doesn't break canon in any way. Baird never came out and said "I've been wearing this armor my whole life lulz'
Also, we need this for an alternate costume.

[Bazinga-A7X]

Honestly, it doesn't break canon in any way. Baird never came out and said "I've been wearing this armor my whole life lulz'
Also, we need this for an alternate costume.

That's just wrong in so many ways. Sure, let's have the Jigglin Junk Baird skin

[DaRkNeSs]

So you'd prefer the older armour over newer armour (which we haven't seen before). How boring of you

[Time Victim]

That's just wrong in so many ways. Sure, let's have the Jigglin Junk Baird skin

That alone is worth the price of admission. 'Chicks dig the Baird'

[Fishead John]

Guys I think the point he's trying to make is that Baird is purposely going into battle with his plates off in Judgement.

Now I understand that this is entirely the "Rule of Cool" when it comes to character design and has nothing to do with gameplay but he has his opinions and concerns as to why this is being shown and we ought to respect that. I mean it is what these forums are for discussion.

So beyond just the rule of cool what's the thoughts on him removing a considerable amount of his protective armor plating while in command in Judgement.

He wasn't making a canonical point on Baird wearing only one set of armor through the series. He's asking why in the blue hell is Baird stripping down his armor with all these bullets flying.

I'm just going to say Baird's such a BAMF that he doesn't feel the need to be in some tin can.

[Bazinga-A7X]

Because Baird is the Samuel L Jackson of GOW, he's one big bad mother-f'er.

Armour, he don't need no stinkin armour.

[LambentHammerburst]

Kim was a lieutenant, yet he wore standard infantry armour...

Marcus was a sergeant, yet he wore another variant of standard infantry armour...

Marcus was just out of the Slab. He really couldn't change into other armor. On top of that he was just kinda thrown into the position considering Kim died in battle. What was he to do - "Oh Kim got impaled, better go the the change room".
Kim was yes, however after 14yrs of the Locust war -- they easily could be simply salvaging armor.
Considering this game takes place VERY early into the war - they easily could have the supplies and all to do this.

[Fishead John]

On another note isn't the symbol the armor "The Death Head" as Hoffman named it in Aspho Fields. The Crimson Omen being stranded symbol an all.

[Richtophen]

Yeah i really liked that on their armor. and actually, Baird had an omen on his armor in Gears 3 still. it was just really faded, but i could see it.

More pissed about Baird having the dumb looking Gears 3 goggles in this as opposed to the ones he had in the first 2 games and only replaced because they got broken and he found a new pair.

[KiwikindUK]

How about a thong!!!!!

Hmmm not sure about this. I'm always split 50/50 down the middle with thongs.

[MrSpeedyTurtle]

For all we know, he could have worn a cape and boxers at some point before Gears 1.

That would of been amazing.....

[Time Victim]

That would of been amazing.....

I thought so. I might have to make some fan art of it.

[UNCL3 T1AN]

Personally, I love Baird's new armor in GOWJ. He is, afterall, an officer during this period of time and it makes sense for him to have a different appearance. (I understand that Kim was also a Lieutenant but wore the traditional COG armor in the previous games; perhaps it was by his choice? meaning he had the option of wearing the same/similar armor as Lt. Baird but chose the ordinary soldier armor to 1) show comradery towards his fellow Gears or 2) to disguise his rank/status as an officer to avoid being targeted.

OR...they just simply decided to change up Baird's look for this new game.

[Waves]

Do you realise this is way before gears 2 and 3 and maybe 1

[GearsCat]

I like it.It looks like a mix of Gears 1,2, and 3 armor.

[Bugz]

It's just armor ...

[Golden Hunter]

I like the armor Baird has in Judgment and I don't want it changed.

This.

Baird is a squad leader in this. So makes sense for him to have different armor than in GoW1 where he had to follow Marcus' orders (demoted).

Also this.

And you have to keep in mind that GOWJ is set 15 years before the first game, it probably would have changed in that time.

[Maaaaaz]

Since GoWJ is a prequel, there's going to be many canon problems which will be kept aside for gameplay.

For example- there are Maulers and Kantus in OverRun, yet the first Maulers and Kanti were not in the game till G2.
Gameplay>canon in the mind of EPIC.

[KiwikindUK]

Since GoWJ is a prequel, there's going to be many canon problems which will be kept aside for gameplay.

For example- there are Maulers and Kantus in OverRun, yet the first Maulers and Kanti were not in the game till G2.
Gameplay>canon in the mind of EPIC.

Maulers were around back then - we know that because of Raam's Shadow DLC on Gears 3. Just because Epic didn't invent certain things until certain games it doesn't mean they didn't exist storywise. Though I think you may be right about Kantus, since Marcus and co didn't know what they were when they saw them in Gears 2.

[Fishead John]

Maulers were around back then - we know that because of Raam's Shadow DLC on Gears 3. Just because Epic didn't invent certain things until certain games it doesn't mean they didn't exist storywise. Though I think you may be right about Kantus, since Marcus and co didn't know what they were when they saw them in Gears 2.

Well it may be like the Lambent Wretches in Judgment the existence of Kanti may have been classified intel. Or maybe it wasn't classified and it's possible Marcus and Dom never ran into one before so they didn't recognize it visually. However later on they may have put two and two together from chatter with other squads they had, had previously and identified the enemy as a Kantus.