[Spoilers]: Are the Locust right?

**Towel** · 06-06-2012, 01:35 PM

First off, let me state that i am a huge supporter of the Locust, i don't think they are the evil ones, even though they have commited atrocities during the Locust war.

Queen Myrrah initially said something along the lines of "We could have cooperated with the groundwalkers but they know only dominance".

Bare in mind, that humans treat monkey's who are genetically 97% identical to humans, horribly, commiting all sorts of experiments on them.

So were the Locust right to start a war? Or would the CoG have been friendly and help with the lambent problem or would they have shunned the Locust and started a war anyway?

**Coleyman** · 06-06-2012, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Towel

Queen Myrrah initially said something along the lines of "We could have cooperated with the groundwalkers but they know only dominance".

Myrrah's statement here is totally unjustified on her part. Her opinion is warped by the fact that she lives in the Hollows and has little/no real-world experiences of the human race. The only known contact she has had with humans in Adam Fenix, but when he fails to develop a counter-measure in time (pre-E-Day), his failure is seen as cowardice and betrayal by the entire human race.

They could have co-operated. But unfortunate circumstances, Adam Fenix's failings in stopping Lambency in time, and Myrrah's unrealistic attitudes towards the humans meant that they didn't.

**Towel** · 06-06-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Coleyman

Myrrah's statement here is totally unjustified on her part. Her opinion is warped by the fact that she lives in the Hollows and has little/no real-world experiences of the human race. The only known contact she has had with humans in Adam Fenix, but when he fails to develop a counter-measure in time (pre-E-Day), his failure is seen as cowardice and betrayal by the entire human race.

They could have co-operated. But unfortunate circumstances, Adam Fenix's failings in stopping Lambency in time, and Myrrah's unrealistic attitudes towards the humans meant that they didn't.

If a "monster" showed up at your doorstep though, what would you do?

Humans can barely get on with others of a different skin colour. I admit maybe the e-day attack was a bit excessive, but would it have been another District 7? (apologies if you haven't seen the film to understand what i am talking about). I'd love to know why Myrrah was so misanthropic and why she hated humans so much (as i do believe Joveus' theory of her origins).

**Joveus** · 06-06-2012, 08:01 PM

Are the Locust right? I think it depends on what you mean by right...

Do I think they're evil? No. Do I think they're justified? Yes. Do I think they're doing the right thing? No...

Myrrah holds a grudge for the whole "Locust forced underground after New Hope" thing and hates how humanity looks down on them. They are also caught in the position of all being lambent on a genetic level, which leaves them vulnerable when it comes to finding a way to stop imulsion without harming the Locust. That said, Myrrah blames humanity for things that are outside of their control. Early in the Slab Adam Fenix remembers how Myrrah tells her Drones that humanity is responsible for lambency, whereas both she and Adam know this isn't true - lambency just is.

So it's a tough call. The Locust themselves are innocent. They act of one mind and follow the ideals of Myrrah without question, and unfortunately is Myrrah that is poisoning them against humanity. Without her it might well have been a different story, but they still would have all died when the imulsion countermeasure was activated.

**Gearslover01** · 06-06-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Towel

First off, let me state that i am a huge supporter of the Locust, i don't think they are the evil ones, even though they have commited atrocities during the Locust war.

Queen Myrrah initially said something along the lines of "We could have cooperated with the groundwalkers but they know only dominance".

Bare in mind, that humans treat monkey's who are genetically 97% identical to humans, horribly, commiting all sorts of experiments on them.

So were the Locust right to start a war? Or would the CoG have been friendly and help with the lambent problem or would they have shunned the Locust and started a war anyway?

I think the Queen was right in her truth, but not in the justification of the slaughter. However, the Queen was an impatient, ignorant *****. She knew any thing that would kill the Lambent would also kill the Locust. She was Human, she needed to accept for who she was.

**cesardiaz** · 06-06-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Towel

First off, let me state that i am a huge supporter of the Locust, i don't think they are the evil ones, even though they have commited atrocities during the Locust war.

Queen Myrrah initially said something along the lines of "We could have cooperated with the groundwalkers but they know only dominance".

Bare in mind, that humans treat monkey's who are genetically 97% identical to humans, horribly, commiting all sorts of experiments on them.

So were the Locust right to start a war? Or would the CoG have been friendly and help with the lambent problem or would they have shunned the Locust and started a war anyway?

if u know the games u should know that adam fenix was working on solving the lambent problem but after years of trying to fix it myrrah became frustrated and attack. every gears fan should know that.

**Towel** · 06-07-2012, 03:06 PM

^ To guy above, i know that Myrrah became frustrated. She didn't want to ask the humans for help because she assumed that the humans would treat the Locust unfairly and possibly kill them. She thought that it was either, kill or be killed. I can sympathise with her, that humans wouldn't have been the most welcoming of species and problems would have occured sooner or later.

Originally Posted by Joveus

Are the Locust right? I think it depends on what you mean by right...

Do I think they're evil? No. Do I think they're justified? Yes. Do I think they're doing the right thing? No...

Myrrah holds a grudge for the whole "Locust forced underground after New Hope" thing and hates how humanity looks down on them. They are also caught in the position of all being lambent on a genetic level, which leaves them vulnerable when it comes to finding a way to stop imulsion without harming the Locust. That said, Myrrah blames humanity for things that are outside of their control. Early in the Slab Adam Fenix remembers how Myrrah tells her Drones that humanity is responsible for lambency, whereas both she and Adam know this isn't true - lambency just is.

So it's a tough call. The Locust themselves are innocent. They act of one mind and follow the ideals of Myrrah without question, and unfortunately is Myrrah that is poisoning them against humanity. Without her it might well have been a different story, but they still would have all died when the imulsion countermeasure was activated.

Do you think that humans would have accepted the Locust into society without considering them beneath them? Like you said, could have been completely different, Locust and humans combined could have taken on the Lambent and possibly give Adam Fenix the time he needed to alter his weapon so that the Locust wouldn't die. Ah Myrrah, why didn't you ask more people for help than just Adam.

**Coleyman** · 06-07-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Towel

If a "monster" showed up at your doorstep though, what would you do?

Humans can barely get on with others of a different skin colour. I admit maybe the e-day attack was a bit excessive, but would it have been another District 7? (apologies if you haven't seen the film to understand what i am talking about). I'd love to know why Myrrah was so misanthropic and why she hated humans so much (as i do believe Joveus' theory of her origins).

You make it sound as if, for the Locust to co-operate, they would need to pop up on the surface just like E-Day only with flowers and not Hammerbursts. No. Think Elain Fenix co-operation; small-scale at first, then their existence is gradually spread to more and more people and finally revealed calmly. Of course if everybody is told that there's a million scaly, hulking 7-feet tall grey monsters with weapons underground, they're gonna' freak out. That's why Elain goes down there by herself to make contact, so as to not start a war.

**Doctor Pie 7056** · 06-11-2012, 01:11 AM

Its like if penguins invaded humans cause of global warming

**Perkinator2001** · 06-11-2012, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Coleyman

Myrrah's statement here is totally unjustified on her part. Her opinion is warped by the fact that she lives in the Hollows and has little/no real-world experiences of the human race. The only known contact she has had with humans in Adam Fenix, but when he fails to develop a counter-measure in time (pre-E-Day), his failure is seen as cowardice and betrayal by the entire human race.

They could have co-operated. But unfortunate circumstances, Adam Fenix's failings in stopping Lambency in time, and Myrrah's unrealistic attitudes towards the humans meant that they didn't.

Yes at the same time he invented the hammer of dawn for the pedlum wars to win it pedlum wars ended 6 weeks before E-Day

**Daddy Crash** · 06-13-2012, 10:58 AM

Just imagine how fast this war would have been over if Adam Fenix was allowed to use his genius to kill the locust instead of being hid and trying to cure the immulsion

**Cosmic Axe** · 07-02-2012, 03:40 AM

I think that it's not so much about who was right and who was wrong or who the good guys and bad guys were. The theme behind the Gears of War games is how stupid and pointless war really is. The Pendulum and Locust Wars could've been avoided, just like wars in the real world. But if everyone talked out their differences and worked together for a peaceful solution to their problems in the Gears universe, we wouldn't have these kickass games, now would we?

**TAO Devil** · 07-02-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Towel

but would it have been another District 7? (apologies if you haven't seen the film to understand what i am talking about)

That was District 9, not 7.

**Locust_Forever** · 07-02-2012, 11:06 AM

I think its 50 50 also. Theyhad no choice, they weak above or the infection below. Its not hard to decide actually. Im going with the queen on this one.

**NFI** · 07-02-2012, 03:46 PM

Right and Wrong in any conflict, real or literary or imagined, is a matter of perspective. It just depends what side of the line you stand on. Its all subjective.

**Coleyman** · 07-02-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by NFI

Right and Wrong in any conflict, real or literary or imagined, is a matter of perspective. It just depends what side of the line you stand on. Its all subjective.

This is true. I mean, I don't enjoy using this as an example, and I'm totally achieving Godwin's Law here, but what NFI said is applicable to the Nazi Regime - as well as the Locust Horde. We (Allies) thought that their behaviour was disgusting, but did they? Nope, they thought they were working towards a better future by eliminating those who sought to destroy their culture. Likewise, the COG thinks that the Locust are disgusting, but the Locust thought they were working towards a better future by eliminating those who prevented them from stopping Lambency from spreading.

You see, it's all a matter of perception.

**Clayman XIII** · 07-08-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Doctor Pie 7056

Its like if penguins invaded humans cause of global warming

Pretty funny analogy. That, and I want to kill a lambent penguin.

**Clone Recon** · 07-08-2012, 10:30 AM

I feel the locust could have done alot better without myrrah....Raam could have tooken her out..ha ha

**Gnashty NaS** · 07-24-2012, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Joveus

Are the Locust right? I think it depends on what you mean by right...

Do I think they're evil? No. Do I think they're justified? Yes. Do I think they're doing the right thing? No...

Myrrah holds a grudge for the whole "Locust forced underground after New Hope" thing and hates how humanity looks down on them. They are also caught in the position of all being lambent on a genetic level, which leaves them vulnerable when it comes to finding a way to stop imulsion without harming the Locust. That said, Myrrah blames humanity for things that are outside of their control. Early in the Slab Adam Fenix remembers how Myrrah tells her Drones that humanity is responsible for lambency, whereas both she and Adam know this isn't true - lambency just is.

So it's a tough call. The Locust themselves are innocent. They act of one mind and follow the ideals of Myrrah without question, and unfortunately is Myrrah that is poisoning them against humanity. Without her it might well have been a different story, but they still would have all died when the imulsion countermeasure was activated.

A very good post and I agree with all opinions states here.