A question for members in clans (that are actually good)

[Level TwentySix]

When it comes to a loss of round or match, how do you react? I've noticed a lot of blaming at the end of matches, that so and so didn't do this, and so and so didn't do well enough and didn't support the team. Maybe I'm just not used to this, but is this normal? Or are people just not teams anymore?

[123MAN]

This is normal in some clans. The best thing to do is find the strengths and weaknesses of your team mates. Pointing fingers doesn't change the result, but everyone does this from time to time. I am not a member of a clan as such, but I game very similarly to clans. Just no tag to show it.
I usually don't wait till the end of a round. Everyone loses games, no one is exempt from that.
Blaming someone is pointless, it is a team game. People lose because the team failed, not one player. I have had players go heavily negative and we still win.
Pointing fingers at someone that preformed poorly is a bad excuse. Everyone has a bad game.

[ChocolateBacon]

If you're playing with someone who constantly blames other team members for deaths/losses, etc, it's better you don't play with him and just find a new team.

I had the displeasure of scrimming with someone who ALWAYS blamed me or someone else about him doing bad. If he got killed by any power weapon, he'd blame us for not calling it out. If he died in a 2v1 situation, it's our fault for not crossing them. This person was a different case, because no matter what happened, he never took the blame for a loss or a death, NEVER. It was always someone else's fault. This does nothing but cause arguments between members, gets people angry at each other, thus you're gonna start playing bad, callouts are gonna quiet down, etc.

Try to find a team that breaks down their loss and tries to improve; "Ok, what did we do wrong there? What can we improve on? Did we sit back too much? Did we rush too much? How can we counter their strats?" Things like that, not pointing fingers and trying to blame others.

Here's a well done video by arCtiC zYn about this subject; Click here.

TL;DR version; There are people who point fingers, but it's best you don't play with them.

[7V i c k]

I used to do this and it really doesn't help other than making yourself feel better. By all means identify mistakes that can be improved upon in the next round but blaming usually causes an argument and gets everyone down.

And yes it is fairly normal to find players like this in competitive but it's best to steer clear of them.

[Level TwentySix]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm glad to know that other people don't put up with it and it's not something that should be put up with. Gotta few people that need removing from my friends list :P

[123MAN]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm glad to know that other people don't put up with it and it's not something that should be put up with. Gotta few people that need removing from my friends list :P

Well if you are also looking to add to that friends list.....

[TheGnasherBeast]

We usually discuss why we loss, people say where they messed up and so on so we can work out better strats for next time.

[NP473L]

We usually discuss why we loss, people say where they messed up and so on so we can work out better strats for next time.

Yeah, I'm going to go with this one.

Our 'post-loss' talk is often what went wrong and how to improve it. Unless there is somebody streaming or spectating, only the player himself knows exactly what what wrong from his end. The others will have a rough estimate, but it's up to each individual to understand what went wrong. That could even be 'I didn't have the necessary support I needed to fulfil Role X which I was asked to do' or it could be 'I was too hesitant at Position X' or 'I was inactive at Position X'. Anything that helps you all move forward is good.

Take a game I had yesterday. First to 5 Execution, and we had a 4-0 lead. They pulled it back to 4-3 (we won 5-3 in the end) because I was too eager to try and finish off a couple of downs. While the rest of my teammates might have been able to determine this, only I know for sure. I wasn't being a kill-whore or anything, I was just pushing when there was still suppressive fire on and around my location, resulting in the break of a deadlock in the enemy's favour. We still won, but it's something I took away from the game, and I recognised that some of those round losses were my fault. It's important to recognise exactly what was at fault in each round loss (not just match loss). Were they half a second quicker out of spawn? Was the strat completely countered by whatever they did? Were the right people in the right places? It's important to adjust to all these factors not only after a match, but in between and even during rounds as well, especially for KoTH games.

There is never any use in blaming somebody for mis-endeavours. It's very easy to hold RT to give support fire (though not easy to 'out support' an opponent supporter) so if they 'weren't supporting enough', there is a lack of communication and understanding of the strategy between both parties (aggressor and supporter). The supporter is not purposely trying to 'not support enough', so work the problem out properly. Get into a Private the next day or whatever, and work it all out. Play out what went wrong, then look around at where the enemies were, and where you were outdone, so you can actively work the problem out together.

TL;DR - Blaming is pointless. While somebody may have been 'at fault' for a loss, there is no point dwelling on that. As a team and as a unit, work out what went wrong, why it went wrong, and how it can be improved or adapted.

If your teammates still 'blame' others...well...they're not long term teammates.

[Level TwentySix]

123Man, add me up! GT Level TwentySix. I really liked NP473L's answer, you talked about what someone could've done better themselves, rather than just putting everything on your team mates, which is how it should work. I'm sure this kind of stuff will help a lot more when discussing with my team mates about strategies and helping each other out, more of what I can do better. Thanks everyone!

[Call.Me.PRIEST]

if your on a team with someone regardless how they do your a TEAM nobody disrespects a teammate, if youve played with them for years or just grouped up thats who your plying with an support them, nothing comes from negativity.

[The Doctor]

Well, as captain of my team, it's my job to find out what went wrong, where it went wrong, and why it went wrong. Then we can improve upon it. I'm lucky in that my team are exceptionally honest with each other, and we will tell each other when we've messed up personally, or if they think someone else could have done something a little better. It's not done in a "you're crap, stop playing the game sort of way" more of a way of helping us realise where our weak points are, and helping us improve on them.

I can't say I noticed NP473L's rushing last night, simply because I was over the other side of the map supporting someone else. Now that I do know, however, it'll be something I've got a note on. Isn't the first time it's happened to us, though it may be a first from NP473L.

I believe that "blame" shouldn't be fingered on one individual person. Unless that person places it upon themselves and holds up their hands saying "I messed up, my fault, I'll try to improve for next time", they shouldn't be held to account for it. A teams loss comes from the team not playing well enough as a unit, or not communicating enough to effectively beat their opponent.

[NP473L]

I can't say I noticed NP473L's rushing last night, simply because I was over the other side of the map supporting someone else. Now that I do know, however, it'll be something I've got a note on. Isn't the first time it's happened to us, though it may be a first from NP473L.

It wasn't last night. It was the Alpha game on Tuesday (or was it Monday's scrim? ). I was bleedin' perfect yesterday.

[Deceptive cYs]

keep calm and carry on :P but really you learn alot from losing. Figure out what worked and what didn't. Stick to the strengths of your team and don't blame one another. Keep playing a learning and improving your strats, teamwork and individual skill.

[The Doctor]

It wasn't last night. It was the Alpha game on Tuesday (or was it Monday's scrim? ). I was bleedin' perfect yesterday.

Hmm, I can't remember...

Looking back on my notes, it'd have been Tuesday's Alpha game :P. We won the Checkout there 5-3.

Ahh well, happens to us all

[mohagan400]

It's normal in every clan. You wouldn't go into a match you didn't think you could win, therefore when you do lose a match the natural human response is to rationalize the reason of the loss which is easiest done when blaming other people. Good team-mates won't take it to heart though.

[NP473L]

It's normal in every clan. You wouldn't go into a match you didn't think you could win, therefore when you do lose a match the natural human response is to rationalize the reason of the loss which is easiest done when blaming other people. Good team-mates won't take it to heart though.

Now, I agree that teammates should never take these things to heart (things can get heated and out of control) but they shouldn't have to even consider it. The whole team should be mature enough not to put pressure on the 'blamee' in the first place, such that he would take it to heart at all.

[mohagan400]

Now, I agree that teammates should never take these things to heart (things can get heated and out of control) but they shouldn't have to even consider it. The whole team should be mature enough not to put pressure on the 'blamee' in the first place, such that he would take it to heart at all.

Unfortunately there is very little maturity in our team lol. But I do agree with what you are saying. Sometimes blame is important though in as nice a way as possible just to point out if someone did something wrong, in order to help them improve.

[NP473L]

Unfortunately there is very little maturity in our team lol. But I do agree with what you are saying. Sometimes blame is important though in as nice a way as possible just to point out if someone did something wrong, in order to help them improve.

Of course. Doing things wrong and getting beaten is the best way to learn your flaws as a unit. Personally, I learn a lot from the mistakes I make both when we lose and when we win (and I have a poor game). While teammates can have a rough idea what went wrong for other players, they often don't know the full story, so I say unless a player is actually being spectated, it's usually up to the player him/herself to determine what went wrong with his own game.

But certainly if one is oblivious to a particular fault, it's necessary to nudge him/her in the right direction.

[the_suicide_fox]

Good clans will say good game at the end and figure out how to improve their strats. Bad teams will blame each other and not put any positive feedback.

I know from experience that most if not all of the top 8 MLG teams follow this. They rarely get angry or go after their teammates unless they did something crazy stupid that cost the game. If you want to be a good clan, find ways to improve after every game, even games you win, and discuss the matches constructively.