The Vault of Tears and Ausar The Vile

[Sdfr4567]

That may be a first!

Has the scene below the tomb been put on YouTube yet? If anyone has found it , please post a link

Does the female voice whisper " please don't go". ? It's difficult to try to decipher, if that's true, there's a spin to this love story that were all getting wrong. I can'treally speculate on it though, but basically were all assuming that Ausar kills ( or tries to kill) her/ or her child out of jealousy or hate. If she says that, then obviously she still wants to be with him and he decides to leave after a huge argument.( maybe an affair with the WoS, causing Ausar to imprison him, or of course, maybe Raidrair)

as for the height comparison, I actually looked at that an oddly enough, I noticed that the female's right foot is resting on a tree stump ( or something similar) Thought that was odd, but maybe the intent was to prevent the height comparisons.

I do think the hood is a factor, but still think Isa is a descendant. Remember, the Workers hood is very ominous as well.

One of the posts in this thread mentioned that he thinks we will fight the second imprisoned person, however, because of this tie could not be the woman. I actually think the opposite would be true, especially considering the woman in the Dam statue is holding a sword.

I'm still frustrated over the Archivist words, they still make no sense,( unless of course , he is actually talking about the worker the whole time) The part about the seals allowing the return of the most vile evil...... If Archivist words are 100 percent true, then the Vile Evil he is referring to cannot be Ausar ( Ausar has already returned) unless there are seals that we have not seen yet that would unlock all of Ausar's memories. someone mentioned the seals being for the Vile Weapons, which is plausible, but considering that only the shield and holy band were guarded by a " seal" I don't think that this is the answer. and of course, the whole part about the castle coming down.... That's why I think it may be " seals" that we are unaware of, probably causing the dam to burst as well.

Oh , just had a thought, Remember when Siris says to Thane2 " and with these weapons he forged", and we discussed that Siris was speaking in the plural? Maybe the worker also crafted all of the vile weapons.

In the words of the great One liner ,Siris , "We shall see"

At the end you mentions the castle falling apart and the dam bursting...this most likely will be the end because int he words of the archivest: "this place will come crashing down before you can unlock them all"

[synge32]

If my previous post was true, then could it be that when Ausar (who was a good man) died, someone was rebirthed in his body who pretended they were Ausar and acted evil? And the real Ausar was rebirthed in a different body as Siris?

Aaaah the storyline continues to present new possibilities! Love the game, love this forum,, I was just thinking something VERY similar, I am writing a "clone" post that I'll have up in a few...

This option is very similar, so I'll add it in and give the cred! This is a great point about whose body the QIP ends up in if it cannot find it's host, what memories are retained and what are lost? Will this even be explained at any time.


Not to mention the "Plains of Koroth" (with "plains" indicating a battlefield) may have been a battle involving numerous deathless, the losers had their birthing chambers destroyed and their QIP were all floating around looking for bodies.

[IBJedi]

IB JEDI, I enjoyed your read, I don't agree with it, but alot of good idea's. ISA being the rip between the WoS/Ausar friendship is a new concept. I also like the idea that TEL messed up the orders and did the same to ISA as he did to Ausar. Ausar did not plan the sacrifice, Raidrair was such a bitter enemy of Ausar that Ausar's being would seek him out. TEL stated Ausar lived many lives where he did not battle Raidrair, however, Raidrair realized that the bloodline was strong and created the story of the sacrifice. TEL states that he decided that it was easier to make Ausar the sacrifice every time as Ausar usually seeked Raidrair anyways.(TEL has decision making abilities in this process!)

Here is an interesting thought about TEL. TEL states that the only way to wipe Ausar's memories is to re-birth him a baby (a baby mind can't take on the memory load), so where does the body of the baby come from? Is TEL stealing babies and killing them? Is he using clones? Then he goes and wipes some innocent ladies memories so she can mother a son that will just die in twenty years! Maybe TEL is the move Vile evil.

I agree with this too...a lot of opinions at this point only because there is so much guess-work without things being fully laid-out in Infinity Blade 3 or the next update or the next book.
And on TEL, my whole idea behind him was he was the PERFECT computer, doing exactly what was asked or required of him. Only problem is if an unclear order is given him (witness IBA where Siris orders him away to check on something which conflicts with the order to follow him). Thus, all the evil he commits when he is only following orders.
Here's why I think Ausar planned the Sacrifice. He knew how to activate the blade and so did the WoS. He decided that it was better to leave it to guesswork for Radriar than risk activating it and he knew that Radriar wouldn't use the blade until he knew he could activate it thus giving some time. But, there were secrets that he even had to hide from TEL. This is why he made all and everyone think different stories. I think he wanted his hatred for Radriar to stay thus causing him to constantly fight Radriar. So, I stand corrected, you are right, Radriar was the one who created the Sacrifice but it was Ausar who knew that Radriar only knew enough about the blade to know that he needed that bloodline, who he unknowingly thought was mortal and possibly coming from an immortal heritage. Thus Radriar created the Sacrifice.
But that is an interesting anecdote you give on TEL! He always seemed a little cunning behind that terrified exterior!
Haha!

[capoeira4u]

I have several theories...might be a bit off the wall, what do you guys think?

1. The origin of Siris and Radriar...they are (human) astronauts/scientists who crash landed on this planet. They used advance cloning technology and starts cloning all the Deathless to become their minions.
Reasoning 1) The Fusion Helmet and Omega Armor is actually a spacesuit and the Dark Omega Armor belongs to Siris. 2) Siris has his robot TEL to retrieve his dead body to take back to the lab to reinitiate the cloning sequence. The Dark Knight, who has always been the subject of why he's such a weak enemy since IB1, it's because he's actually just Radriar's butler, sort of like TEL for Siris. 3) Isis kills Siris at the beginning so that he could be reborn safely, this is b/c Radriar finally realized who Siris was, and this time would try to kill him permanently and not allow him to be cloned again.


2. Radriar and WoS...they are the same people. Their spirits are tied together like how the Horcrux (from Harry Potter) are parts of Voldemort's spirit and prevents him from being killed. Only by destroying the Horcrux can you kill Voldemort, therefore Radriar cannot be killed b/c he imprisoned WoS to make sure his Horcrux is safely locked away. Perhaps the Infinity Blade and WoS's ring are tied together, the blade sucks out life energy and stores into the ring, thus keeping WoS alive inside the vault.
Reasoning...WoS was able to leave the vault b/c Radriar replaced him. WoS planned to lock Siris inside the vault, so that TEL could not retrieve his body to initiate the cloning sequence. Also the next update suggest that another person is locked inside the tower...I think it's Siris's double, the real Ausar who was locked away to keep Siris from dying.

3. Siris and Radriar relationship...they were friends, colleagues, or maybe even brothers who later double-crossed each other to gain power
Reasoning...According to Egyptian mythology, Osiris (aka Ausar) was murdered by his brother Seth then brought back to life by the love of his sister and wife, Auset (aka Isis). Seth killed Ausar b/c he was jealous of Ausar's rulership of Egypt and wanted the throne for himself.

4. Isis and Siris relationship...I think she's either a Ausar's lover and the woman in the statue, or she's their great-great-grand-daughter who knows the truth and is sworn to keep the family secret from being revealed.
Reasoning...she shot him in the head without hesitating, as if it was her job to do it. Radriar saw her jumping off the roof to escape, but didn't get angry, possibly b/c he knows her.

[Infinitymaster]

I have several theories...might be a bit off the wall, what do you guys think?

1. The origin of Siris and Radriar...they are (human) astronauts/scientists who crash landed on this planet. They used advance cloning technology and starts cloning all the Deathless to become their minions.
Reasoning 1) The Fusion Helmet and Omega Armor is actually a spacesuit and the Dark Omega Armor belongs to Siris. 2) Siris has his robot TEL to retrieve his dead body to take back to the lab to reinitiate the cloning sequence. The Dark Knight, who has always been the subject of why he's such a weak enemy since IB1, it's because he's actually just Radriar's butler, sort of like TEL for Siris. 3) Isis kills Siris at the beginning so that he could be reborn safely, this is b/c Radriar finally realized who Siris was, and this time would try to kill him permanently and not allow him to be cloned again.


2. Radriar and WoS...they are the same people. Their spirits are tied together like how the Horcrux (from Harry Potter) are parts of Voldemort's spirit and prevents him from being killed. Only by destroying the Horcrux can you kill Voldemort, therefore Radriar cannot be killed b/c he imprisoned WoS to make sure his Horcrux is safely locked away. Perhaps the Infinity Blade and WoS's ring are tied together, the blade sucks out life energy and stores into the ring, thus keeping WoS alive inside the vault.
Reasoning...WoS was able to leave the vault b/c Radriar replaced him. WoS planned to lock Siris inside the vault, so that TEL could not retrieve his body to initiate the cloning sequence. Also the next update suggest that another person is locked inside the tower...I think it's Siris's double, the real Ausar who was locked away to keep Siris from dying.

3. Siris and Radriar relationship...they were friends, colleagues, or maybe even brothers who later double-crossed each other to gain power
Reasoning...According to Egyptian mythology, Osiris (aka Ausar) was murdered by his brother Seth then brought back to life by the love of his sister and wife, Auset (aka Isis). Seth killed Ausar b/c he was jealous of Ausar's rulership of Egypt and wanted the throne for himself.

4. Isis and Siris relationship...I think she's either a Ausar's lover and the woman in the statue, or she's their great-great-grand-daughter who knows the truth and is sworn to keep the family secret from being revealed.
Reasoning...she shot him in the head without hesitating, as if it was her job to do it. Radriar saw her jumping off the roof to escape, but didn't get angry, possibly b/c he knows her.

I like the fact that the WoS and Radriar are tied together, maybe their soles (or the sole of someone else, maybe Ausar?) got split when searching for new rebirth bodies? The infinity blade could be linked with them as well as that is also required to release the worker from the vault.

EDIT : maybe Ausars sole got split in half and the good part went to a new body (Siris) and the bad part plus some memories went to Radriar or the WoS. They still knew who they were though, and had Ausars memories as more a kind of information.

[Sman]

capoeira4u: I like your ideas, they seem entirely plausible, mostly the horcroax theory. Also, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but has anyone thought of the idea that maybe the 'Holy Band' was a wedding ring?

[The Brain]

This is going to be a short response.

The Worker said that "another deathless" must take his place. He originally said the Raidriar had to to trick Siris into getting the Infinity Blade. Basically any deathless carrying the blade can free him.

[synge32]

I have several theories...might be a bit off the wall, what do you guys think?

1. The origin of Siris and Radriar...they are (human) astronauts/scientists who crash landed on this planet. They used advance cloning technology and starts cloning all the Deathless to become their minions.
Reasoning 1) The Fusion Helmet and Omega Armor is actually a spacesuit and the Dark Omega Armor belongs to Siris. 2) Siris has his robot TEL to retrieve his dead body to take back to the lab to reinitiate the cloning sequence. The Dark Knight, who has always been the subject of why he's such a weak enemy since IB1, it's because he's actually just Radriar's butler, sort of like TEL for Siris. 3) Isis kills Siris at the beginning so that he could be reborn safely, this is b/c Radriar finally realized who Siris was, and this time would try to kill him permanently and not allow him to be cloned again.


2. Radriar and WoS...they are the same people. Their spirits are tied together like how the Horcrux (from Harry Potter) are parts of Voldemort's spirit and prevents him from being killed. Only by destroying the Horcrux can you kill Voldemort, therefore Radriar cannot be killed b/c he imprisoned WoS to make sure his Horcrux is safely locked away. Perhaps the Infinity Blade and WoS's ring are tied together, the blade sucks out life energy and stores into the ring, thus keeping WoS alive inside the vault.
Reasoning...WoS was able to leave the vault b/c Radriar replaced him. WoS planned to lock Siris inside the vault, so that TEL could not retrieve his body to initiate the cloning sequence. Also the next update suggest that another person is locked inside the tower...I think it's Siris's double, the real Ausar who was locked away to keep Siris from dying.

3. Siris and Radriar relationship...they were friends, colleagues, or maybe even brothers who later double-crossed each other to gain power
Reasoning...According to Egyptian mythology, Osiris (aka Ausar) was murdered by his brother Seth then brought back to life by the love of his sister and wife, Auset (aka Isis). Seth killed Ausar b/c he was jealous of Ausar's rulership of Egypt and wanted the throne for himself.

4. Isis and Siris relationship...I think she's either a Ausar's lover and the woman in the statue, or she's their great-great-grand-daughter who knows the truth and is sworn to keep the family secret from being revealed.
Reasoning...she shot him in the head without hesitating, as if it was her job to do it. Radriar saw her jumping off the roof to escape, but didn't get angry, possibly b/c he knows her.

Good ideas, have you read awakening? It will change some of your thoughts.

The technology has always been there,/ it is a post apocalyptic world. This has been confirmed.

The omega armour ( from the shadow complex game) is just a novelty item for the gameplay, like the touch of death or cardboard Armour


The book also explains the entire scene at Saydhi's estate.

[synge32]

I agree with this too...a lot of opinions at this point only because there is so much guess-work without things being fully laid-out in Infinity Blade 3 or the next update or the next book.
And on TEL, my whole idea behind him was he was the PERFECT computer, doing exactly what was asked or required of him. Only problem is if an unclear order is given him (witness IBA where Siris orders him away to check on something which conflicts with the order to follow him). Thus, all the evil he commits when he is only following orders.
Here's why I think Ausar planned the Sacrifice. He knew how to activate the blade and so did the WoS. He decided that it was better to leave it to guesswork for Radriar than risk activating it and he knew that Radriar wouldn't use the blade until he knew he could activate it thus giving some time. But, there were secrets that he even had to hide from TEL. This is why he made all and everyone think different stories. I think he wanted his hatred for Radriar to stay thus causing him to constantly fight Radriar. So, I stand corrected, you are right, Radriar was the one who created the Sacrifice but it was Ausar who knew that Radriar only knew enough about the blade to know that he needed that bloodline, who he unknowingly thought was mortal and possibly coming from an immortal heritage. Thus Radriar created the Sacrifice.
But that is an interesting anecdote you give on TEL! He always seemed a little cunning behind that terrified exterior!
Haha!

OK I get it, so basically Ausar KNEW that Raidriar would create the sacrifice, its a a part of his plan. he is a vile, PLOTTING, wretch.

And I swear to god, if Siris turns into a wretch, I'm done!

[RANKMAN]

but has anyone thought of the idea that maybe the 'Holy Band' was a wedding ring?

I'm willing to bet anything, that, that's the only thing I can rest assure on is true!

[Sdfr4567]

OK I get it, so basically Ausar KNEW that Raidriar would create the sacrifice, its a a part of his plan. he is a vile, PLOTTING, wretch.

And I swear to god, if Siris turns into a wretch, I'm done!

LOL! I've been thinking the same thing! Because Ausar is vile (the Vile Armor), he's plotting (he always seems to have a plan in some way), but if the creators create a monstrosity class and make the strongest armor in that class called Ausar The Wretch, I'm going to go to The creators, smack them, and ask them what they were thinking. Ausar as a actual wretch would make so many people mad xD.

[Sdfr4567]

Can you imagine Isa and Ausar the wretch having a kid? Ugh I can't even imagine the child that would come out of those 2...

[RANKMAN]

Ok so I'm not sure if anyone has posted this so sorry if so, but I started rereading the book and in the prologue it talks about three distinct holes in the blade. It also says they represent power, authority and rulership. (now we've all seen the holes in the blade but I thought it was just design an not significant) Now Im thinking that the worker of secrets is holding a key to the hole in the infinity blade. As seen in the cutscene looking down at a glowing circular object.

[IBJedi]

Hmmm...interesting point rankman. Honestly, my attention was more on the Vile set but maybe this has something to do with it...

[Dzylon]

After re-reading Awakening, I believe Ausar's wife was named "Verity". The word is capitalized in the text (link) indicating a name. I looked into it and learned Verity is a Latin female name meaning "The Truth". Seems too fitting to be a coincidence.

[ElPared]

After re-reading Awakening, I believe Ausar's wife was named "Verity". The word is capitalized in the text (link) indicating a name. I looked into it and learned Verity is a Latin female name meaning "The Truth". Seems too fitting to be a coincidence.

While I don't disagree that this is probably someone's name, capitalizing "Verity" in that sentence is also simply correct capitalization after punctuation ("Verity" follows "...")

[Dzylon]

While I don't disagree that this is probably someone's name, capitalizing "Verity" in that sentence is also simply correct capitalization after punctuation ("Verity" follows "...")

I suppose, with the ellipse, it could be treated as either an interjection or a sort of "trailing off". I never thought of that.

[IBJedi]

After re-reading Awakening, I believe Ausar's wife was named "Verity". The word is capitalized in the text (link) indicating a name. I looked into it and learned Verity is a Latin female name meaning "The Truth". Seems too fitting to be a coincidence.

Oh! Nice catch! And since Siris's name was different before (Ausar) then maybe Verity's name changed to Isa this life!
Wow! Wonderful catch!

[ElPared]

I'm not totally convinced Isa is in any way related to the story except that she's trying to acquire the Infinity Blade for some reason, and is kind of Siris' love interest. The book describes her as having a weird accent (so she's a foreigner), so I think Isa is actually there to set up a love triangle between herself, Siris and Ausar's wife, which would again make sense since 1: It would explain the Holy Band (a wedding Ring), 2: it would fit in with the Star Wars-like theme of this game (especially if Isa turned out to be Siris' sister), and 3: it would be perfect fodder for some drama in the next book.

[IBJedi]

I wonder if IB Dungeons will sort out some of this...thoughts?

[IBJedi]

I'm not totally convinced Isa is in any way related to the story except that she's trying to acquire the Infinity Blade for some reason, and is kind of Siris' love interest. The book describes her as having a weird accent (so she's a foreigner), so I think Isa is actually there to set up a love triangle between herself, Siris and Ausar's wife, which would again make sense since 1: It would explain the Holy Band (a wedding Ring), 2: it would fit in with the Star Wars-like theme of this game (especially if Isa turned out to be Siris' sister), and 3: it would be perfect fodder for some drama in the next book.

Right but why would they include her at the end of the game where at least 10-infinite years have gone by? Either she's immortal or that is one of her daughters...

[synge32]

The tree has not grown around the tower when we see Isa

She' s probably going in to pull TEL out

[IBJedi]

The tree has not grown around the tower when we see Isa

She' s probably going in to pull TEL out

Haha! Right, she couldn't care less about Siris! LOL!

[IBJedi]

Only other thing I would have my attention on though regarding that is that if u went through a million rebirths and never went the route of the Iron Sentinel the tree would never grow. And to top it off, u would have to go through there like 5 times for it to fully grow so this means that you technically COULD defeat the GK with the tree not fully grown and Isa could come and there's be no tree...
Well, the intentions of ChAIR on this one point are only up for speculation at this point until we get IB and the next update...

[Aezrail]

I agree to a lot of the Harbringer theorie...
Except than Isa is the female of the statue in the cenotaph room...

[ElPared]

Right but why would they include her at the end of the game where at least 10-infinite years have gone by? Either she's immortal or that is one of her daughters...

it takes a minimum of 4 rebirths (3 if you exploit a bug) to beat the storyline. Since in IB: A TEL informs Siris that the more he is reborn the more frequently his "dark thoughts" will surface, you would think Siris would want to free the Worker in as few rebirths as possible. Since 2 years pass between each Blood Sentinel's death, and 6 months pass between killing Thane 1 and your second rebirth, that's around 6 years and 6 months, maybe 7 years if I missed something.

hell even if it's 10 years later (since sometimes it's 6 years between sentinels) the girl at the end could still be Isa, as long as you consider that Siris would be aiming for a minimum number of rebirths to avoid the "dark thoughts" resurfacing

or maybe she's Deathless. That wouldn't explain why she hates the Deathless so much but whatever, Siris hates the Deathless and he's one of them too haha

[Aezrail]

In IBA, she speaks a little about her father, and doesn't understand how work the rebirth technology... Except she is also amnesic like Siris/Ausar, she can't be an deathless too...
In IBA, it take only 2 weeks for a rebirth...
In IBII, 6 months for a "normal" rebirth and 2-3 years for a "victory on blood" rebirth... I assume that there's probably the travel time in this duration, but Isa ll be probably 40 years old when she comes to liberate Siris from VoT...

[Squashy]

^ who cares? Her posture is still the stuff of wonder :P

[Hiraphor]

This is what I think.
Why would the Vault of Tears be called the Vault of Tears if there were no tears in the Vault? Okay, Ausar is really powerful, and is a rival to the Worker of Secrets, who is also really powerful. Ausar is not evil. The Worker is friends with Ausar. The Worker is human. The Worker is evil. The Vault of Tears can only be opened by the sacrifice of a lover. Anyway, stuff happens, Raidriar tries to lock the Worker in the Vault of Tears. Something happens and Ausar takes his place willingly. The Worker tries to get him out, but the prison is too secure. He has to kill Ausars lover. Ausar goes ape**** even though he's released. He goes into Skyrim mode and FUS RO DAHs the worker into a prison that is even more secure for all eternity, because he can't let him die that easily. He goes super evil. He is defeated by Raidriar a few years later. He is reborn, because he was a powerful deathless who could not be killed that easily. He then realises that is not what his lover would want, but he can't stop. He therefore has his memory wiped.

[Squashy]

What's with all the necro?? Σ(￣。￣ﾉ)ﾉ