The Vault of Tears and Ausar The Vile

[Harbinger]

Ok, so, because I play Infinity Blade because I love its story here's a nice theory as to what I think is going on so far:

1) The castle where the Worker is imprisoned used to be Ausar's home. I believe that this theory is corroborated by the statues below the tomb that opens in the presence of the Vile Set, and I am convinced that the male statue is of Ausar himself. The male statue is wearing the Vile Armor, but the female statue is the one presenting the Holy Ring. You can hear an argument between two men and a woman screaming while Siris is investigating the statues below the tomb. TEL immediately frets over the fact that Siris has unlocked a specifically tragic memory.

2) In Infinity Blade: Awakening, and through many of the conversations between other Deathless, it is apparent that Ausar was the one that Raidriar had slain at Koronth. It's also pretty apparent that the other Deathless were VERY happy about Ausar's "death" and failure to return after that initial death. The other Deathless hint that Ausar used to be a terrible person, and the personality quirks that Siris experiences in Awakening seem to point that Ausar was the worst of the Deathless. Hense the title: "Ausar The Vile".

3) I also believe that the "Vault of Tears" doesn't necessarily refer to the prison that holds The Worker of Secrets. I believe that it refers to the castle itself and the history that it holds. More specifically, the history between Ausar and the mysterious female portrayed by that statue.

4) The next content update claims that The Worker isn't the only one imprisoned in the castle. I doubt it's the woman, for I'm pretty sure that it'll be someone we have to do combat with. However, if the woman is another Deathless, it could be. Unlikely though.

5) As for the next content update: I have on idea where and when it could take place because it seems we've essentially looked in every nook of the castle. I am still hoping that one of the content updates will be an extension that lets us use Isa at some point to possibly free Siris. Although that'll probably be dealt with in Infinity Blade 3.

6) As for The Worker himself? I believe that Ausar locked him away because of The Infinity Blade. It's a weapon that can kill a Deathless, so it's possible that Ausar stole it away and locked up The Worker for creating something so dangerous.

Unanswered questions: Why did Ausar lock away his memories and vanish from the other Deathless? Did something tragic happen to that woman and did the despair from it consume Ausar so much that he sought to forget everything and give up his powers? Seems that way. Still, Raidriar came in to possession of the Infinity Blade somehow, so...was it taken from Ausar at Koronth? Why was the sword deactivated for so long?

So much that needs answering! Anyways, I've been going over this story for a while because I'm pretty much in love with the tale. Just had to write it out and discuss it to someone.

Tell me your own theories below...if you have any.

[renan976]

In the statue of a man and a woman I am pretty sure that the man is Ausar(Siris), due to the vile equipments that both are wearing, and the woman could be Isa, couldn't it? Isa and that woman are wearing a hood. So, Isa might have been the wife of Ausar(Siris). But the question is: How does Isa manage to still alive during all those years of Ausar's rebirths?

[Silversabeast]

I believe Isa is a deathless, but ausar didnt know. He killed her because he was vile, and then erased his memory to forget about it.

[howboutthis]

Isa and the woman that is part of the statue I the vault are the same relative height to the guy. Ida vs Sirus at the beginning compared to woman vs man statues. Maybe Ausar wiped his memory and Radriar used that to his advantage to "power up" the Infinity Blade.

[Nafi Kacak]

Harbringer=) @no 5. See the pic below
http://instagr.am/p/LE8hBwvuPA/

It make sense=)
There is a stairs and tunnel but we just cant explore it yet.

[MPLewis]

Harbringer=) @no 5. See the pic below
http://instagr.am/p/LE8hBwvuPA/

It make sense=)
There is a stairs and tunnel but we just cant explore it yet.

There's also that vat thing down next to the Behemid that hasn't been unlocked yet.

[Nafi Kacak]

There's also that vat thing down next to the Behemid tht hasn't been unlocked yet.

Lewis i can smell we will do backdoor entry on the new update:0

[MPLewis]

Hahaha maybe. It should at least be fun to see what they do with that area.

[RedWhite&Blade]

I once stated in an old post by me, that the VoT was Ausar's Personally Specialized Prison ... I think ALMOST ALL OF THESE DEATHLESS KINGS had personal prison cells with captives, like Raidriar did, in his Dark Citadel Palace. To make a long story short, I think most Deathless imprisoned their rivals or enemies in their own prisons only acessable by them or a key. This may explain why Ausar can acess the cells in the VoT besides the fact he is also a Deathless. However, i do not know how to explain the idea of the the 9 chairs at the top of his own prison, unless they guarded FOR him? But then why would his devoted loyal subjects like the Archivest still consider him to be 'Vile' maybe 'vile' meaning pathetic? Like pathetic for maye loosing on the PoK Battle? or for wiping his memories?

This is off topic now but do you guys think after the Archivest says "...the seals must not be broken, for he cannot be allowed to return, do u think he ment the weapon seals in the shrine? Or did he mean that Ausar (not siris) would return in siris' mind, maybe?

[Nafi Kacak]

I can imagine if there is 2 ending that we can choose depend on our gameplay or decision(silent hill style)
I want to control the ausar(badguy)
Huhuhu!
Siris vs ausar? Let see..how complicate the plot will be...

[siris98]

The next update also said that there would be more people locked in so that could also provide information to Siris(Ausar). Also Nafi Kacak could be righ about a siris vs ausar. I think it went like this

Ausar was evil before( lots of enemies) as a result the erased his memories, to save everyone. In th new update, he might discover his alter ego and that alter ego and it might split off somehow, then chair puts a bunch of routes and updates and in the end he defeats his alter ego... but there is a greater threath

[synge32]

Good thoughts Harbinger! Keep them coming... make sure to check out Grantnoe's Best Thread Sticky at the top of the page, and catch up on all the theories.....

This update was a total letdown, regarding storyline... but oh well..

Harbinger...

1. It's Ausar, she say's his name ( I just happened to be wearing headphones when I got to this stage, i'll have to listen closer) and it's definatly the Vile Armour that the statue is wearing.

2. Looks like Ausar used to be a decent guy, then obvioulsy this event, with the knife, changes everything. Although, in IB:A Raidrair tells Siris that Ausar never showed anyone honor in his entire life, therefore Raidrair would not show Siris honor. Seems odd, especially if he was a decent guy, and he must have been the loving Ausar in the statue after he became an Aegis Warrior (wearing the armour)

3. Just recently I made a post about the "Vault of Tears" not being wear the worker is trapped. The man reason being that there had not been one mention or image of "Tears" anywhere in the castle. I believe that Vault of Tears is the room with the holy band. Makes sense at least.

4. Again, take a gander at old posts. ALOT of discussion of the Dragoor coming into play. By the size of the entrance in the cave, I think that it is still a very good option., (although that's not a tower)

5. Alot of area at the bottom of the Dam, numerous "holes" in the damn, and something huge lives in that cave. also stairs to the right of the cave. The Dam is about to burst as well, maybe something on the other side?

6. I think that they were friends, Raidrair states at the end of IB2 that Ausar was always a vile "plotting" wretch. I 'll bet he tricked the Worker into making the Blade under false pretenses.

One of my main theories on Ausar's past is that he was married, loved his wife, but had a child (big no-no for deathless) he either kills the child or tries to, (as this is what deathless do) causing his wife to leave him. then he turns into the hatefull person that he became. He becomes so depressed, with his last shred of decency he programs TEL to do the rebirth thing.....

I have alot more, I think about it. Wonder why the statue of the woman is at the bottom of the Dam? Such a wierd place to honor someone.

[Sman]

Good thoughts Harbinger! Keep them coming... make sure to check out Grantnoe's Best Thread Sticky at the top of the page, and catch up on all the theories.....

This update was a total letdown, regarding storyline... but oh well..

Harbinger...




1. It's Ausar, she say's his name ( I just happened to be wearing headphones when I got to this stage, i'll have to listen closer) and it's definatly the Vile Armour that the statue is wearing.

2. Looks like Ausar used to be a decent guy, then obvioulsy this event, with the knife, changes everything. Although, in IB:A Raidrair tells Siris that Ausar never showed anyone honor in his entire life, therefore Raidrair would not show Siris honor. Seems odd, especially if he was a decent guy, and he must have been the loving Ausar in the statue after he became an Aegis Warrior (wearing the armour)

3. Just recently I made a post about the "Vault of Tears" not being wear the worker is trapped. The man reason being that there had not been one mention or image of "Tears" anywhere in the castle. I believe that Vault of Tears is the room with the holy band. Makes sense at least.

4. Again, take a gander at old posts. ALOT of discussion of the Dragoor coming into play. By the size of the entrance in the cave, I think that it is still a very good option., (although that's not a tower)

5. Alot of area at the bottom of the Dam, numerous "holes" in the damn, and something huge lives in that cave. also stairs to the right of the cave. The Dam is about to burst as well, maybe something on the other side?

6. I think that they were friends, Raidrair states at the end of IB2 that Ausar was always a vile "plotting" wretch. I 'll bet he tricked the Worker into making the Blade under false pretenses.

One of my main theories on Ausar's past is that he was married, loved his wife, but had a child (big no-no for deathless) he either kills the child or tries to, (as this is what deathless do) causing his wife to leave him. then he turns into the hatefull person that he became. He becomes so depressed, with his last shred of decency he programs TEL to do the rebirth thing.....

I have alot more, I think about it. Wonder why the statue of the woman is at the bottom of the Dam? Such a wierd place to honor someone.

The whispers say: Ausar, I love you
Please don't go
You've become a tyrant
*screams*

Also, anyone noticed the staircase to the right of where you get the vile sword?

[grantnoe]

Wanna know the reason why I have not been theorizing lately? I completely agree with Synge, that's why so extend everything he said, I completely agree.

[synge32]

Wanna know the reason why I have not been theorizing lately? I completely agree with Synge, that's why so extend everything he said, I completely agree.

That may be a first!

Has the scene below the tomb been put on YouTube yet? If anyone has found it , please post a link

Does the female voice whisper " please don't go". ? It's difficult to try to decipher, if that's true, there's a spin to this love story that were all getting wrong. I can'treally speculate on it though, but basically were all assuming that Ausar kills ( or tries to kill) her/ or her child out of jealousy or hate. If she says that, then obviously she still wants to be with him and he decides to leave after a huge argument.( maybe an affair with the WoS, causing Ausar to imprison him, or of course, maybe Raidrair)

as for the height comparison, I actually looked at that an oddly enough, I noticed that the female's right foot is resting on a tree stump ( or something similar) Thought that was odd, but maybe the intent was to prevent the height comparisons.

I do think the hood is a factor, but still think Isa is a descendant. Remember, the Workers hood is very ominous as well.

One of the posts in this thread mentioned that he thinks we will fight the second imprisoned person, however, because of this tie could not be the woman. I actually think the opposite would be true, especially considering the woman in the Dam statue is holding a sword.

I'm still frustrated over the Archivist words, they still make no sense,( unless of course , he is actually talking about the worker the whole time) The part about the seals allowing the return of the most vile evil...... If Archivist words are 100 percent true, then the Vile Evil he is referring to cannot be Ausar ( Ausar has already returned) unless there are seals that we have not seen yet that would unlock all of Ausar's memories. someone mentioned the seals being for the Vile Weapons, which is plausible, but considering that only the shield and holy band were guarded by a " seal" I don't think that this is the answer. and of course, the whole part about the castle coming down.... That's why I think it may be " seals" that we are unaware of, probably causing the dam to burst as well.

Oh , just had a thought, Remember when Siris says to Thane2 " and with these weapons he forged", and we discussed that Siris was speaking in the plural? Maybe the worker also crafted all of the vile weapons.

In the words of the great One liner ,Siris , "We shall see"

[The Brain]

That may be a first!
I'm still frustrated over the Archivist words, they still make no sense,( unless of course , he is actually talking about the worker the whole time) The part about the seals allowing the return of the most vile evil...... If Archivist words are 100 percent true, then the Vile Evil he is referring to cannot be Ausar ( Ausar has already returned) unless there are seals that we have not seen yet that would unlock all of Ausar's memories. someone mentioned the seals being for the Vile Weapons, which is plausible, but considering that only the shield and holy band were guarded by a " seal" I don't think that this is the answer. and of course, the whole part about the castle coming down.... That's why I think it may be " seals" that we are unaware of, probably causing the dam to burst as well.

I think otherwise. The Archivist could still be referring to Ausar. Ausar =/= Siris. We play as Siris not Ausar. Ausar has not been fully awoken. As I've said before, the Archivist is trying to warn Siris that Ausar must not return. Yeah, I understand, he calls him Ausar. Anyway, I believe the seals he is speaking of are the mental barriers holding Ausar's memories back. If the seals are broken Ausar will return, as well as the most Vile evil. I agree that the Worker's prison is not the VoT. I believe that the Vault is actually made up of different rooms spread through the castle. Before Ausar decided to bury his memories and take on a new persona, the castle was named Saranthia. Then after he hid them it became the Vault of Tears. The "tears" are referring to the sad and painful memories hidden in the castle. One thing that supports this theory is when TEL says that the memories in the statue room were meant to stay hidden. I believe that was one of the seals.

This is some of my post from the Theory about the 9 chairs thread. I highly suggest you all take a look at it. It has some great theories. I posted this because it includes my original thoughts on the Pantheon and House Ix. Even after all of the new information we have, I continue to believe in my theory. I also left in some information I believe is important.

Also, could someone do me a favor and look to see if Isa is referred to as Isaline in IB:A. I believe it is the part where Siris is shaving at the Dark Citadel. If she is than that could help us figure out more about her. I've already stated that Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus. Isaline is a name meaning "My God is a vow"/"God is my Oath". Could be important.

As mentioned Siris/Osiris/Ausar is and Egyptian God. However, I don't think it was mentioned that Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus. Hmmm...Interesting.


They say that Raidriar fought the "Most vile evil" on the Plains of Koroth. I believe that this evil was Ausar. When he was defeated he began his rebirthing as a baby. The Archivist ws either a good friend or a devoted of Ausar's. I believe he talked Ausar into the child thing. He said that the seals must never be broken so the vile evil won't return. He also said many believe him, the evil, "trully dead". Remember what Thane said, "No one alive can release him". That him was meant as Ausar, seeing as how only Ausar could free the Worker. Thane believes that Ausar is trully dead. I think the Archivist was trying to warn Siris that he must not bring Ausar's memories back.

After the Worker was sealed by Ausar, Raidriar tried to become leader of the Deathless. Ausar disliked this and went to fight him. Afraid he might lose, he told TEL tht he was going to take the Archivist's advice and screw with his rebirthing cycle. Not just to hide away his memories, but to become stronger as well. He fights and loses, thus begins the whole whatevs. By the way, no idea on how to explain Isa not remembering. She might have done what Ausar did.

Once Ausar and Isa were out of the picture Raidriar made his move. House Ix had already become the location of the Vault of Tears. Thane was made High Lord to protect it. The Archivist volunteered to become a Blood Sentinel. Then two other deathless pledged a champion. Raidriar, those two and a fourth became known as the Ruling Four. Thane is not one of them. They Four signed The Great Pact and made Thane the "Shield". He was to ensure that the Worker would never be freed. High Lord title = him having controol over what goes on there, Shield is for the protection of the seals.

Raidriar either found or built his castle from IB. He lived there for a while ruling as GodKing of the Pantheon. He conducted experiments and fought any challenger, be they mortal or Deathless. Sometime after Ealoseum and Kuero had been locked in their prisons, a new challenger appeared. He was The Voice of Freedom. He was slain by the GodKing. The VoF was Ausar. After a few generations of Sacrifices, a boy, Archarin the son of Ausar, took his fathers place as the Sacrifice. I don't know how Ausar died in that generation. As we know Archarin became the End Boss of IB.

[Sman]

I agree with 'The Brian,' what he said makes perfect sense.

[Sman]

Also, I think some of the designers (no offense) may be lazy as not to make all of the clues line up.

[grantnoe]

Also, I think some of the designers (no offense) may be lazy as not to make all of the clues line up.

I think that was intentional. What is the point in unwrapping a gift if you already know what's inside?

[synge32]

I can see why someone would think the game designers are lazy with storyline clues in general, but not this game, there is alot of character and pride in IB and as they stress this new medium of game and story, I think they are putting alot of effort into making it correct , especially considering that Sanderson is now in full control of the storyline.

Brain, what were you disagreeing with? I think we agree that the "Seals" have not been presented to us yet. I also think this now as it appears that the tomb is a "seal" and the seals will unlock Ausar's memories. This also helps to explain why the Archivist claims that the castle will come crashing down. Most likely Ausar or TEL has placed a self-destruct on the final seal, preventing full memory access. Of course the self destruct is the entire castle. The collapse of the castle would cause the Worker to die as well, more evidence that his prison is a timeless vault and if destroyed, and if the Worker is human, he dies as well.

We have not given much credit to Thane's line " No one ALIVE, can release him" thanks for the repost. That's a huge statement as the deathless are just as "Alive" as any normal human. Based on his statement, SOMEONE can release him, (otherwise, Thane would just say, no one can release him) So who is considered not "alive"? I don't think he is refering to Ausar, that would mean that he is aware of who Siris is. Although, this line would make complete sense if Thane was aware of Siris and he was referring to Ausar's memories being dead.
My main concern, however, is that this storyline may be developing a supernatural being that we have not been introduced to yet. I really hope not, as I believe that it would ruin the entire storyline and all of our interesting theories and speculation.(What I mean by supernatural is a being that could defy the laws of physics, As long as the Dragoor isn't "magical" he would not apply here)

Unfortunatly, the lastest update almost confirms the "supernatural" storyline, with the Bog creature transforming into a monstrocity and the dead guy waking up. Now this is not confirmed yet, but without the laws of physics applying , then anything is possible and speculating loses its appeal.

[synge32]

oh I forgot to comment on the Siris V Ausar battle. I think this would be great and would not violate the whole "supernatural thing" basically the duel would take place in his mind with the winner taking over the body and the loser being vanquished forever. Of course, this would most likely take place in IB 3 or 4, but a cool idea

[DX-Chain]

During the cutscene in the "real" Vault Of Tears, the whispers from Ausar's wife/lover do say:

Ausar...
...I love you.
Please don't go
You've become a tyrant
(screams as Siris turns his head in disgust/sadness)
I love you

I think it's most definitely this particular event that involved the dagger and either the killing of Ausar's lover (or their child perhaps, in a bizarre ritual to become "deathless" or immortal?) that caused Ausar to go through great lengths to become Siris, possibly for a couple of reasons:

-He genuinely wanted to forget/become a peaceful being
-He intentionally hurt himself and others around him in order for the weight of these painful memories to have such a devastating event that his true "evil" and power comes out in full force

I also find it interesting that all these "vile" items are required to reach the VoT, yet the item within is "Holy" or pure. There's gotta be more symbolism regarding this particular detail--maybe he killed her for the ring? (Notice in the statue how he is grabbing her hand, while hiding the dagger behind his back/to his side). The Worker of Secrets also holds a ring at the beginning cutscene of the game, so the emphasis on rings in relation to the plot is sure to heat up in future updates. Keep in mind that the last whisper as you exit the VoT is "I love you," so maybe she is either still alive or has the ability to come back in some way (I doubt SHE is the ring, however pure or holy it is).

[synge32]

During the cutscene in the "real" Vault Of Tears, the whispers from Ausar's wife/lover do say:

Ausar...
...I love you.
Please don't go
You've become a tyrant
(screams as Siris turns his head in disgust/sadness)
I love you

I think it's most definitely this particular event that involved the dagger and either the killing of Ausar's lover (or their child perhaps, in a bizarre ritual to become "deathless" or immortal?) that caused Ausar to go through great lengths to become Siris, possibly for a couple of reasons:

-He genuinely wanted to forget/become a peaceful being
-He intentionally hurt himself and others around him in order for the weight of these painful memories to have such a devastating event that his true "evil" and power comes out in full force

I also find it interesting that all these "vile" items are required to reach the VoT, yet the item within is "Holy" or pure. There's gotta be more symbolism regarding this particular detail--maybe he killed her for the ring? (Notice in the statue how he is grabbing her hand, while hiding the dagger behind his back/to his side). The Worker of Secrets also holds a ring at the beginning cutscene of the game, so the emphasis on rings in relation to the plot is sure to heat up in future updates. Keep in mind that the last whisper as you exit the VoT is "I love you," so maybe she is either still alive or has the ability to come back in some way (I doubt SHE is the ring, however pure or holy it is).

Agreed, I also thought her last words where " I love you" odd as she says that after the screams... regarding the child, When the deathless first came to power, they learned that blood relatives could take their immortality '(never explained how) so they all slaughtered their family members, and it is unheard of for a deathless to have a child now.

[ericmurphy]

Re the question of where any of this stuff could be revealed: I can think of a few places I really want to explore, at some content-update point:

• That giant vaulted doorway below the dam, to the right of the dam and the left of the statute of the chick with the sword. It's behind the demon with the Vile sword.
• Possibly inside those giant holes in the dam. They must be there for some reason.
• There's a whole section of the castle you can see from the approach to the entrance, on the right-hand side. It's where the Old Treasure Map points to. I don't think there's any way to get there from inside the castle. It would be near the Archivist, but I don't think it's where the Archivist is since it seems to have a curved exterior wall.
• The hallway to the left of the dragon statue past the entrance to the castle. There's one hallway to the right where you can fight a demon; you can't get to the one on the left.
• The door in the arena where the wretch comes out.
• The other door in the arena to the left of the door with the portcullis. There's a big carving on the door, but no way to open it.
• There are at least two areas near the Behemid, down in the cave past the Stone Demon's temple.

These are just the obvious ones. Aside from the ones below the dam, they've been in the game since v. 1.0. They must be there for some reason or other.

[idub76]

without the laws of physics applying , then anything is possible and speculating loses its appeal.

Err, how can the laws of physics apply to a game that involves magic and immortality?

[ElPared]

Err, how can the laws of physics apply to a game that involves magic and immortality?

Magic, I get, but I don't think the Deathless are "immortal" in the sense that most of us think of it. Remember in IB1 when you fight Bill and there are multiple God Kings in vats? And how TEL follows you around to retrieve you for Rebirth? I actually think the Deathless are revived through a lost form of technology, and they simply keep it a secret from the non-Deathless. I also think there are multiple ways one can become Deathless.

Has anybody read Hyperion? If so, remember the Cruciform? For those who haven't, (and without giving too much away) basically it was a parasite that could bring a person back to life even if the body was completely obliterated, All it needed was some host material to regenerate the body from. The catch was that the genetic code of the person deteriorated until they were sexless and incredibly stupid unless the rebirth was overseen by someone who put the Cruciform through some sort of process (which the book never explains). I think Siris/Ausar is brought back through a similar method.

you might be thinking, "then why can the Worker 'destabilize their quantum identity pattern, granting them a True Death.'" Well, despite the fact that the term "True Death" is also from Hyperion, the Cruciform could also be stopped in a similar way (which I won't explain because it'll spoil the whole series of books).

Unless of course they're brought back as clones and their "quantum identity pattern" is simply how they transfer their consciousness between bodies (as the God King's vats would indicate).

I think that last one would make the Ausar vs Siris battle a lot more interesting. They've already demonstrated that Siris can fight himself (remember, Bill/The Original Ancestor would have actually been Ausar/Siris (unless they explain in Awakening that he's not (I really should have read that)) which means that Ausar could actually be a body that still exists somewhere, and Siris is simply an avatar of sorts.

either way, ChAIR is obviously a big fan of scifi (or at least Star Wars) so I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the Hyperion thing. Besides, clones don't necessarily disprove the Cruciform idea, because if the body was completely destroyed the Cruciform needed some kind of flesh to create the new body from, and what would be better for that than clones?

[synge32]

Err, how can the laws of physics apply to a game that involves magic and immortality?

Great question, I've been meaning to address this issue...

First, nothing in the actual "gameplay" should be considered fact regarding the storyline. For example, the "Touch of Death", Lambchop, cardboard armor, etc..., are not actual weapons in the IB world. The same goes for the rings. Of course the major items are (Infinity Blade, GK armor).

And it must be acknowledged that this was an incredibly advanced society, with regards to science and technology, before the apocolypse.

So with regards to "Magic" rings.... Humans believe that they are "magic" but they are pure science. The only confirmed ring that is used in IB is the healing/transportation ring (it is assumed to be the Ring of Ice and Fire, however, Ice is never used, although Fire is) Each item can be explained by advanced technology, Healing is just the same as immediate Neosporin. The Fire and Transportation still require an "Anchor Disk" (a small piece of the ring). The Anchor disk must be placed in a hot item in order for the ring to utilize the heat to strike and opponent. The same goes for the transport Anchor Disk, I know it's corny, but I'm assuming it's the same as beaming and object across the room. I believe that Sanderson specifically made the ring require an anchor disk to support the notion that it is all science and not magic.

In IB:A, Raidrair looks at the rain and is upset that he cannot control rain. His technology can control fire, ice and wind, but they have not figured out rain.( Although in IB2 rings control water, but I guess they still can't "make it rain".) Another point made to stress technology over magic.

Posion is just that, so that leaves Light, Dark and the Holy Band. I can argue that Light and Dark rings will never be a part of the storyline, but I cannot argue against the Holy Band. It will be in the storyline, along with the dead guy that holds the Vile Shield. This is where my concern of "supernatural forces" being introduced into the storyline is.


With regards to immortality, that is pure science as well. Most futurist believe that we will learn how to stop cell degeneration (aging) withing 50-100years, therefore, the ability for the human body to be immortal is not far fetched at all. So what happens when Siris shoves a sword in your head? This storyline seems to express the fact that science has determined the chemical process that creates your individual being, your thoughts, your "soul", and technology can duplicate your mind's DNA, (in this story, called QIP.) The body is constantly uploading your thoughts and memories to a main database in a rebirthing chamber, once a deathless body is killed, the rebirthing chamber sends the QIP into a new body. The Worker has figured out a "Virus" that erases QIP,

Now I'm not sure if this is the EXACT process, just wanted to explain the "science" aspect. (This also does not explain how the your QIP will "seek" out a host body if the birthing chamber is not available.)

Ultimately, I was expressing concern of "magic forces" being introduced, as anything is possible. My point was that, before this update, it has not, and we have had great discussions on QIP , science and technology.

[synge32]

FROM ELPAREDI think that last one would make the Ausar vs Siris battle a lot more interesting. They've already demonstrated that Siris can fight himself (remember, Bill/The Original Ancestor would have actually been Ausar/Siris (unless they explain in Awakening that he's not (I really should have read that)) which means that Ausar could actually be a body that still exists somewhere, and Siris is simply an avatar of sorts.

Bill, explained in IB:A, is actually Ausar's son, Archarin. I'll let you read the story to find out how. If you like this story enough to discuss it on the forum, I think that you will really enjoy the read. 90% of the storyline is in IB:A. There are also 3 chapters from Raidrairs' POV. These are my favorite.

So although Siris does not fight himself in IB1, it may be foreshadowing an internal, mental battle between his Siris ego and Ausar Ego, which of course, we could still play out in the game!

[paracelus]

I vote for a Superman 3 style good self vs evil self fight.

I second synge32, if you are interested in the story at all, the book is a must read, lots of little hints and story filler in there.

[Silversabeast]

I honestly think siris is a good fighter, but nowhere near the caliber of radriar.

The only way he beat him BOTH times was by surprising him.

Radriar is still the best fighter.

[synge32]

I honestly think siris is a good fighter, but nowhere near the caliber of radriar.

The only way he beat him BOTH times was by surprising him.

Radriar is still the best fighter.

Siris is better, Radriar can't dodge for sh*t and relies on the block button like a noob.

He cheats by kicking and now he steps back to use multiple elemental attacks.

Not to mention he will only fight Siris after Siris has worn himself out fighting other Titans.

[IBJedi]

Here was my take on it:
Ausar was in league with the WoS and they had a scheme to become the most powerful of the Deathless. Together, they forged the Infinity Blade to defeat Radriar. Together, they destroyed everything in their path and ruled everything.
Then one day, Ausar happened to come upon a beautiful mortal, Isa, who not only prevents him from touching her, but surprises him and wrestles him to the ground, holding a knife to his throat. In his surprise he then does everything he can to gain her approval and they fall in love.
The WoS sees this and grows cautious. He tries to convince Ausar that she was evil trying to separate them from each other and defeat them both. He convinces Ausar to destroy her home village to prove himself still worthy to wield the Infinity Blade. Ausar grudgingly accepts.
Isa, now devastated at losing her entire home and family is brought to tears. In front of both Ausar and the WoS she labels Ausar a tyrant. Watching carefully, the WoS sees that Ausar is feeling regret for what he had done so stabs her from behind through her chest.
"Now nothing can stand in our path!" says the WoS.
Kneeling to her side, Ausar is brought to grief. Lowering his head to her side as she is dying, he whispers, "Forgive me..."
Behind his mask, Ausar is in such grief and hate for himself and the WoS that in a rage, he jumps into battle. After a long and grinding battle, he strikes the WoS to his knees.
He arranges for the WoS to be trapped in the Vault of Tears while he builds a castle in honor of his wife's memory. He commands Tel to preserve we body until such time as he is defeated by Radriar (this whole time thinking that she would die if he pulled her off Tel's life support). He protects all of his armor and weapons by the monstrosities we fought to prevent himself from remembering what he had done as the memory hurt so bad. He commands Tel to remove the memory of what had happened and to protect his wife forever.
He arranges a losing battle to Radriar on the Plains of Coroth so that he can protect the Infinity Blade by putting himself as the Sacrifice every lifetime, thus preventing Radriar from becoming completely invincible.
Tel, in taking his commands takes the command to also mean for Isa so he removes her memory, creating the same life style that Ausar had as Siris all those lifetimes.
Ausar then lifetime after lifetime had been punishing himself for letting happen what had happened. The last key to remembering everything is Isa and her forgiveness rids him of his pain.

[ElPared]

I can argue that Light and Dark rings will never be a part of the storyline, but I cannot argue against the Holy Band.

If the Holy Band is Canon, that means the Vile items are too right? And the Vile Blade uses the Dark element. Just sayin (I know it's not a ring, but it does place Dark on Canon item)

I still see a lot of similarities between this story and Hyperion, even your explanation of the QIP is very reminiscent of these books

[Silversabeast]

Siris is better, Radriar can't dodge for sh*t and relies on the block button like a noob.

He cheats by kicking and now he steps back to use multiple elemental attacks.

Not to mention he will only fight Siris after Siris has worn himself out fighting other Titans.

I didn't mean in terms of actual gameplay, I meant in the actual story

[Infinitymaster]

I posted this on another thread as well = I think that maybe Ausar didn't choose to erase his memories, but before the plains of Koroth battle Ausars enemies destroyed his rebirth chamber so he could not be reborn, then one enemy went to fight him and get him killed. Another way of killing him would have been to use the infinity blade, but it was not active enough at the time. So radriar killed Ausar normally and left him, thinking he could not be able to be reborn. Then TEL came and rescued the body (or someone else who was an ally of Ausars took it to TEL) and journeyed to an old and abandoned rebirth chamber. This chamber was capable of resurrecting Ausar, but did not have his memories or clones that the destroyed chamber had. So Ausar started off a new life as Siris, far away from his home, with no memories and a different body.

TEL knew it was best for Ausar to not find his memories again, as it could put him in danger because of the awful things Ausar did.

[synge32]

I didn't mean in terms of actual gameplay, I meant in the actual story

LOL, I know, but we have only to judge based on gameplay. How did he beat him by surprise the second time? In my opinion Siris whipped his butt the second time, but yeah, Raidrair totally blew it the first time and went easy on him.

[synge32]

IB JEDI, I enjoyed your read, I don't agree with it, but alot of good idea's. ISA being the rip between the WoS/Ausar friendship is a new concept. I also like the idea that TEL messed up the orders and did the same to ISA as he did to Ausar. Ausar did not plan the sacrifice, Raidrair was such a bitter enemy of Ausar that Ausar's being would seek him out. TEL stated Ausar lived many lives where he did not battle Raidrair, however, Raidrair realized that the bloodline was strong and created the story of the sacrifice. TEL states that he decided that it was easier to make Ausar the sacrifice every time as Ausar usually seeked Raidrair anyways.(TEL has decision making abilities in this process!)

Here is an interesting thought about TEL. TEL states that the only way to wipe Ausar's memories is to re-birth him a baby (a baby mind can't take on the memory load), so where does the body of the baby come from? Is TEL stealing babies and killing them? Is he using clones? Then he goes and wipes some innocent ladies memories so she can mother a son that will just die in twenty years! Maybe TEL is the move Vile evil.

[synge32]

I posted this on another thread as well = I think that maybe Ausar didn't choose to erase his memories, but before the plains of Koroth battle Ausars enemies destroyed his rebirth chamber so he could not be reborn, then one enemy went to fight him and get him killed. Another way of killing him would have been to use the infinity blade, but it was not active enough at the time. So radriar killed Ausar normally and left him, thinking he could not be able to be reborn. Then TEL came and rescued the body (or someone else who was an ally of Ausars took it to TEL) and journeyed to an old and abandoned rebirth chamber. This chamber was capable of resurrecting Ausar, but did not have his memories or clones that the destroyed chamber had. So Ausar started off a new life as Siris, far away from his home, with no memories and a different body.

TEL knew it was best for Ausar to not find his memories again, as it could put him in danger because of the awful things Ausar did.

Isa explained in IB:A that if a QIP does not have a birthing chamber with body, it will eventually seek out a new body. So I guess it's a body-jacking or something, but point being, that it will find a host even without birthing chamber

[Infinitymaster]

Isa explained in IB:A that if a QIP does not have a birthing chamber with body, it will eventually seek out a new body. So I guess it's a body-jacking or something, but point being, that it will find a host even without birthing chamber

I've just thought, so if more than one person died at the plains of Koroth then there would be a small chance that Ausar would have been taken in by someone else's dead body? Or is that not what you mean? Because that could be another theory, or maybe someone was rebirthed in Ausars body and made him evil!

[Infinitymaster]

If my previous post was true, then could it be that when Ausar (who was a good man) died, someone was rebirthed in his body who pretended they were Ausar and acted evil? And the real Ausar was rebirthed in a different body as Siris?