Vile Weapons History

[miancajr]

I'm pretty sure the vile weapons belonged to Ausar. Archivist talked about the Vaut of Tears being the home to "the most evil and vile to befall this world" and when you defeat Radriar, he says "you were always a vile plotting wretch, Ausar..."

And since all the vile weapons possess dark energy, it gives us more proof that Ausar was evil like all the other deathless. Maybe the dark equipment found in the first Infinity Blade was hinting to this? When you entered BG you were essentially returning to Aursar's past; hence the dark equipment.

[Xelviar]

Very valid point there! perhaps Ausar was in full Vile equipment before "attempting to right his wrongs" - which probably would lead to the end of Mankind...

[mammoth]

I'm pretty sure the vile weapons belonged to Ausar. Archivist talked about the Vaut of Tears being the home to "the most evil and vile to befall this world" and when you defeat Radriar, he says "you were always a vile plotting wretch, Ausar..."

And since all the vile weapons possess dark energy, it gives us more proof that Ausar was evil like all the other deathless. Maybe the dark equipment found in the first Infinity Blade was hinting to this? When you entered BG you were essentially returning to Aursar's past; hence the dark equipment.

What about the holy ring? So was Ausar a holy vile?

[Nafi Kacak]

What about the holy ring? So was Ausar a holy vile?

How to get the holy ring?
I got the hidden ally.all the vile items.did i miss somethig?

[mammoth]

How to get the holy ring?
I got the hidden ally.all the vile items.did i miss somethig?

Assuming that you already have all the vile items: Buy the vile map. Go to the King's tomb. Defeat a titan. Click tomb at the spot the map indicated.

But I am perplexed: how could you not have the holy ring when you already conversed with the ally?

[VaroFN]

What about the holy ring? So was Ausar a holy vile?

I think that was a metaphor. He was vile till he met his wife/girlfriend. Maybe he killed her (don't know why), and then he chose to just forget about everything else... Maybe the girl is Isa, and that's why Isa knows almost everything about Siris, and Siris didn't know that Isa was a deathless when he killed her while he was Ausar... Just random theories.

[miancajr]

I found out about the holy ring when I used one of my prize wheels, but I haven't obtained it yet. I found TEL so maybe the tomb will lead me there?

[miancajr]

So now that I have obtained the Holy Band I think that Ausar became greedy with his power and ended up killing his wife. It took a huge toll on him and he knew the power of immortality drove him to became dark and vile. Ausar decided he was done being a deathless and started his quest to destroy the one being that brings the evilness out of him, Radriar (which leads us to Siris' story in the first Infinity Blade).

As for the Holy Band, I believe it was Ausar's wedding ring. Holy refers to holy matrimony and how weddings happen in churches; a church is known as a holy place. The Holy Band is also the only ring that is called a band referring to how men wear a band, not a ring.

Just my thoughts.

[Aussi3]

So now that I have obtained the Holy Band I think that Ausar because greedy with his power and ended up killing his wife. It took a huge toll on him and he knew the power of immortality drove him to became dark and vile. Ausar decided he was done being a deathless and started his quest to destroy the one being that brings the evilness out of him, Radriar (which leads us to Siris' story in the first Infinity Blade).

As for the Holy Band, I believe it was Ausar's wedding ring. Holy refers to holy matrimony and how weddings happen in churches; a church is known as a holy place. The Holy Band is also the only ring that is called a band referring to how men wear a band, not a ring.

Just my thoughts.

I think you have it exactly right

[renan976]

In the statue of a man and a woman, the man is wearing the equipments that Siris is wearing (the vile's equipments).

[HashTagKiller]

How do you talk with TEL? I've seen him twice. Do I need to tap on him or something?

[Silversabeast]

How do you talk with TEL? I've seen him twice. Do I need to tap on him or something?

Get the vile helm, armor, shield, and blade. Then get the vile map from the shop.

Next go to the tomb room (the room where you unlock weapons with other weapons) and tap all over the tomb before you fight the guy.

[HashTagKiller]

Thanks! I'll do that

[Silversabeast]

Thanks! I'll do that

No problem man! The cutscene reveals a lot of the story

[synge32]

Ausar and Wife (mortal) are married, they have a female child.

Ausar, as all deathless do, desires to kill the child, tries to, but the wife intervenes and ends up stabbed.

Ausar, sets the baby off with another TEL like robot.

Ausar knows he will hunt the child down, his only choice is to erase his memories.

Ausar fakes his death on the planes of Koroth, Let's Raidrair win, everyone thought the IB was working. Everyone thinks that Ausar is dead. Nobody looks for him.

The child is ISA.

[synge32]

Ausar and Wife (mortal) are married, they have a female child.

Ausar, as all deathless do, desires to kill the child, tries to, but the wife intervenes and ends up stabbed.

Ausar, sets the baby off with another TEL like robot.

Ausar knows he will hunt the child down, his only choice is to erase his memories.

Ausar fakes his death on the planes of Koroth, Let's Raidrair win, everyone thought the IB was working. Everyone thinks that Ausar is dead. Nobody looks for him.

The child is ISA.

[delltetrach]

This discussion is interesting

[grantnoe]

Indeed it is- adding to list

[kanug2003]

Ausar and Wife (mortal) are married, they have a female child.

Ausar, as all deathless do, desires to kill the child, tries to, but the wife intervenes and ends up stabbed.

Ausar, sets the baby off with another TEL like robot.

Ausar knows he will hunt the child down, his only choice is to erase his memories.

Ausar fakes his death on the planes of Koroth, Let's Raidrair win, everyone thought the IB was working. Everyone thinks that Ausar is dead. Nobody looks for him.

The child is ISA.

Hey guys, new member here. So, I was posting about a hole I think in this theory. If I am wrong please tell me.
In IB:A, Siris understands that only people that have QIP related to that of deathless can use the GK's rings and he tries to give his healing ring to Isa who says that she can not use it but if she was truly Ausar's child, wouldn't she be able to use the healing ring?

[synge32]

Hey guys, new member here. So, I was posting about a hole I think in this theory. If I am wrong please tell me.
In IB:A, Siris understands that only people that have QIP related to that of deathless can use the GK's rings and he tries to give his healing ring to Isa who says that she can not use it but if she was truly Ausar's child, wouldn't she be able to use the healing ring?

That would ruin the story though,,

she denies using it becuase either , she doesn't know she is deathless (like Siris) , or she doesn't want Siris to know. If she knows that she is a deathless she knows that she won't die, and she will heal quickly. If Siris knew she were a deathless, he would not trust her.

[kanug2003]

That would ruin the story though,,

she denies using it becuase either , she doesn't know she is deathless (like Siris) , or she doesn't want Siris to know. If she knows that she is a deathless she knows that she won't die, and she will heal quickly. If Siris knew she were a deathless, he would not trust her.

But, even if she knows about her deathless abilities, dying would cause her to be put out of action. Being reborn could days or even weeks and she could lose sight of the Infinity Blade and Siris. Also, seeing Isa even though he thought she was dead, Siris would understand that she has to be a deathless to have survived.

Also, if she is deathless then she has to know as she has survived all of Siris' rebirths to be present at the end of IB:2 to try and save him.

[IBJedi]

Well, as a further take on this:
Ausar was in league with the WoS and they had a scheme to become the most powerful of the Deathless. Together, they forged the Infinity Blade to defeat Radriar. Together, they destroyed everything in their path and ruled everything.
Then one day, Ausar happened to come upon a beautiful mortal, Isa, who not only prevents him from touching her, but surprises him and wrestles him to the ground, holding a knife to his throat. In his surprise he then does everything he can to gain her approval and they fall in love.
The WoS sees this and grows cautious. He tries to convince Ausar that she was evil trying to separate them from each other and defeat them both. He convinces Ausar to destroy her home village to prove himself still worthy to wield the Infinity Blade. Ausar grudgingly accepts.
Isa, now devastated at losing her entire home and family is brought to tears. In front of both Ausar and the WoS she labels Ausar a tyrant. Watching carefully, the WoS sees that Ausar is feeling regret for what he had done so stabs her from behind through her chest.
"Now nothing can stand in our path!" says the WoS.
Kneeling to her side, Ausar is brought to grief. Lowering his head to her side as she is dying, he whispers, "Forgive me...".
Behind his mask, Ausar is in such grief and hate for himself and the WoS that in a rage, he jumps into battle. After a long and grinding battle, he strikes the WoS to his knees.
He arranges for the WoS to be trapped in the Vault of Tears while he builds a castle in honor of his wife's memory. He commands Tel to preserve we body until such time as he is defeated by Radriar (this whole time thinking that she would die if he pulled her off Tel's life support). He protects all of his armor and weapons by the monstrosities we fought to prevent himself from remembering what he had done as the memory hurt so bad. He commands Tel to remove the memory of what had happened and to protect his wife forever.
He arranges a losing battle to Radriar on the Plains of Coroth so that he can protect the Infinity Blade by putting himself as the Sacrifice every lifetime, thus preventing Radriar from becoming completely invincible.
Tel, in taking his commands takes the command to also mean for Isa so he removes her memory, creating the same life style that Ausar had as Siris all those lifetimes.
Ausar then lifetime after lifetime had been punishing himself for letting happen what had happened. The last key to remembering everything is Isa and her forgiveness rids him of his pain.

[IBJedi]

Edit: Tel was commanded to preserve HER body, not WE body...damn auto-correct!

[kanug2003]

Well, as a further take on this:
Ausar was in league with the WoS and they had a scheme to become the most powerful of the Deathless. Together, they forged the Infinity Blade to defeat Radriar. Together, they destroyed everything in their path and ruled everything.
Then one day, Ausar happened to come upon a beautiful mortal, Isa, who not only prevents him from touching her, but surprises him and wrestles him to the ground, holding a knife to his throat. In his surprise he then does everything he can to gain her approval and they fall in love.
The WoS sees this and grows cautious. He tries to convince Ausar that she was evil trying to separate them from each other and defeat them both. He convinces Ausar to destroy her home village to prove himself still worthy to wield the Infinity Blade. Ausar grudgingly accepts.
Isa, now devastated at losing her entire home and family is brought to tears. In front of both Ausar and the WoS she labels Ausar a tyrant. Watching carefully, the WoS sees that Ausar is feeling regret for what he had done so stabs her from behind through her chest.
"Now nothing can stand in our path!" says the WoS.
Kneeling to her side, Ausar is brought to grief. Lowering his head to her side as she is dying, he whispers, "Forgive me...".
Behind his mask, Ausar is in such grief and hate for himself and the WoS that in a rage, he jumps into battle. After a long and grinding battle, he strikes the WoS to his knees.
He arranges for the WoS to be trapped in the Vault of Tears while he builds a castle in honor of his wife's memory. He commands Tel to preserve we body until such time as he is defeated by Radriar (this whole time thinking that she would die if he pulled her off Tel's life support). He protects all of his armor and weapons by the monstrosities we fought to prevent himself from remembering what he had done as the memory hurt so bad. He commands Tel to remove the memory of what had happened and to protect his wife forever.
He arranges a losing battle to Radriar on the Plains of Coroth so that he can protect the Infinity Blade by putting himself as the Sacrifice every lifetime, thus preventing Radriar from becoming completely invincible.
Tel, in taking his commands takes the command to also mean for Isa so he removes her memory, creating the same life style that Ausar had as Siris all those lifetimes.
Ausar then lifetime after lifetime had been punishing himself for letting happen what had happened. The last key to remembering everything is Isa and her forgiveness rids him of his pain.

Alright, tell me this then, if this is Ausar's castle then why would the Archivist still attack Ausar once he recognized who Ausar was?(the Archivist wouldn't get employee of the century for attacking his boss!)
Secondly, according to IB:D, only one guy singlehandedly forges the infinity blade.
Third, if TEL was commanded to do the resurrection thing on Isa as well then Isa has to be deathless. This is due to the fact that only deathless people's souls return to their body after death.
If the castle was built as a memorial (like the Taj Mahal) then there is no sense in the Archivist saying that this was once home to a great evil as the only people to ever live there were Isa and WoS, I don't think that Isa is a great evil and the WoS is still there(at the time we fight the Archivist)so who was this great evil then?

I wish that there was some way we could compare notes with the Archivist.

[IBJedi]

Well, I think that the Archivist was hiding a secret about how the whole thing went down. I think that he knew what had really happened and then once he recognized Ausar, he got confused and realized that Ausar didn't know who he was nor what he was doing so defeating him would be the only logical thing to do for the Archivist to protect what Ausar had locked away originally.

[synge32]

But, even if she knows about her deathless abilities, dying would cause her to be put out of action. Being reborn could days or even weeks and she could lose sight of the Infinity Blade and Siris. Also, seeing Isa even though he thought she was dead, Siris would understand that she has to be a deathless to have survived.

Also, if she is deathless then she has to know as she has survived all of Siris' rebirths to be present at the end of IB:2 to try and save him.

Good point, she would be out for a week or two,

I still believe that the story version will show that Siris only took 6-8 years to complete his mission.

[synge32]

Alright, tell me this then, if this is Ausar's castle then why would the Archivist still attack Ausar once he recognized who Ausar was?(the Archivist wouldn't get employee of the century for attacking his boss!)
Secondly, according to IB, only one guy singlehandedly forges the infinity blade.
Third, if TEL was commanded to do the resurrection thing on Isa as well then Isa has to be deathless. This is due to the fact that only deathless people's souls return to their body after death.
If the castle was built as a memorial (like the Taj Mahal) then there is no sense in the Archivist saying that this was once home to a great evil as the only people to ever live there were Isa and WoS, I don't think that Isa is a great evil and the WoS is still there(at the time we fight the Archivist)so who was this great evil then?

I wish that there was some way we could compare notes with the Archivist.

I have wondered about his revelation as well. Two thoughts could explain why the Archivist continues to fight. The first is, obviously, he is not a friend of Ausar at all. The other is that the Great Pact was signed AFTER Ausar disappeared. There is nothing more important than protecting the Great Pact, even if it means fighting a friend. Remember, the EXO-Pilot seems to believe that if the great pact is broken, "They" will bring death and damnation upon us ALL.

Anyways, I tend to think that the Ruling Four took over the castle after Ausar disappeared. I think the Archivist knows Ausar, and knew his reasons for being evil, however, is not very tight with him

[kanug2003]

The only explanation that I can think of for the Archivist not stopping after recognizing Ausar is like Synge said, that the Archivist probably personally knew Ausar yet didn't like him.
I am backing this theory because if Ausar was a friend of the Archivist then the Archivist would 1) not like to harm an old friend with amnesia and 2) fight a friendly deathless who doesn't remember him and might kill him and since he is not deathless then he will not come back.

Well, I think that the Archivist was hiding a secret about how the whole thing went down. I think that he knew what had really happened and then once he recognized Ausar, he got confused and realized that Ausar didn't know who he was nor what he was doing so defeating him would be the only logical thing to do for the Archivist to protect what Ausar had locked away originally.

Assuming that the Archivist and Ausar were buds, if the Archivist thinks that he can defeat Ausar then he is stupider than he looks as Ausar will keep coming back for more and Ausar only has to kill him once. The Archivist has no guarantee that Ausar will have his memory the next time he comes to fight so he can remember that the Archivist his pal.


This is why the Archivist and Ausar had to at least be on opposite sides.

[Infinitymaster]

Ausar and Wife (mortal) are married, they have a female child.

Ausar, as all deathless do, desires to kill the child, tries to, but the wife intervenes and ends up stabbed.

Ausar, sets the baby off with another TEL like robot.

Ausar knows he will hunt the child down, his only choice is to erase his memories.

Ausar fakes his death on the planes of Koroth, Let's Raidrair win, everyone thought the IB was working. Everyone thinks that Ausar is dead. Nobody looks for him.

The child is ISA.

I like that theory and think lots of it could be true, but doesn't Ausar have another son, Archarin or something, who we fight at the end of IB 1? He wouldn't have not wanted to kill that child but killed His other one. Unless deathless only kill their sons as only they can take over from them, or Ausar did not know about Archarin?

[ElPared]

I like that theory and think lots of it could be true, but doesn't Ausar have another son, Archarin or something, who we fight at the end of IB 1? He wouldn't have not wanted to kill that child but killed His other one. Unless deathless only kill their sons as only they can take over from them, or Ausar did not know about Archarin?

this wold have been before snyge's story idea, when Ausar didn't know he was deathless yet (Remember in IB1 Siris thinks he's avenging his father, but it turns out it was his son), nor was he evil anymore.

btw, kind of unrelated, but has anyone noticed the front of the Vile Helm looks like Sauron's Eye from LotR?

[Ausarr]

So now that I have obtained the Holy Band I think that Ausar became greedy with his power and ended up killing his wife. It took a huge toll on him and he knew the power of immortality drove him to became dark and vile. Ausar decided he was done being a deathless and started his quest to destroy the one being that brings the evilness out of him, Radriar (which leads us to Siris' story in the first Infinity Blade).

As for the Holy Band, I believe it was Ausar's wedding ring. Holy refers to holy matrimony and how weddings happen in churches; a church is known as a holy place. The Holy Band is also the only ring that is called a band referring to how men wear a band, not a ring.

Just my thoughts.

AWESOME A WEDDING RING WITH 10 HOLY POWER... Wish I was Ausar

[WalruWiz]

Wow, I forgot 90% of IB:A lol...
But based on what Isa said in the book, that the deathless killed their relatives upon gaining power, I have a new idea...
The "Deathless" as we know them originally worked in the palace of Saranthia during the time when technology was still present (or it could be before technology was invented, not sure). The king of the palace is shown a worker's invention- the QIP cloud- and plans to gain immortality with it. However, the palace workers murder him and steal the invention, thus becoming Deathless. They take all technology and knowledge from the people and keep it for themselves, and kill their relatives. However, the worker (later the WoS) who invented the cloud has his apprentice forge a weapon designed to explot the flaws he saw in the cloud while designing it. Attempting to wrest control from the Deathless, he is imprisoned in the vault of tears. Meanwhile Ausar, thinking he has become "vile" after he kills his family, imprisons his memories in the Vault (which becomes the VoT once his memory is there) and dies, being reborn as an entirely new person.
It's not a concrete theory and it doesn't explain the great pact at all, nor who "they" are. Just some ideas.

[PedroCst]

There are some things I'd like to see clarified...
* Why can't the God King recognize Siris/Ausar in the first game?
* It's interesting that the Vile equipment, albeit strong, is not as good as the Siris' equipment or the Aegis armor. What does this mean? That good beats evilness or something?

[synge32]

There are some things I'd like to see clarified...
* Why can't the God King recognize Siris/Ausar in the first game?
* It's interesting that the Vile equipment, albeit strong, is not as good as the Siris' equipment or the Aegis armor. What does this mean? That good beats evilness or something?

Siris himself thinks that he is just a 20 year old human boy born in Drem's Maw. Raidrair thinks the same. It's been thousands of years since he has seen Ausar, and most likely Siris does not have the same physical appearance or voice as Ausar (although the storywriters may be messing with this, as the statue in the Vault looks like Siris,) anyways, he's wearing a helm,

Interestingly, God King runs a scan (from Siris's fingerprints on his throne deadmind/computer) and basically determines who Siris is.

Agreed about the Vile Armour not being as strong as Aegis, I was dissapointed with that, The Vile should have had at least a 10 dodge, make it more like the Thark. oh well, not sure what that means though

[ElPared]

There are some things I'd like to see clarified...
* Why can't the God King recognize Siris/Ausar in the first game?
* It's interesting that the Vile equipment, albeit strong, is not as good as the Siris' equipment or the Aegis armor. What does this mean? That good beats evilness or something?

I think the point of the Vile sets is that it uses what is typical of "evil" characters: It sacrifices defense for offense. It gives you +50 health and +50 attack instead of +100 health. The only bummer is it doesn't give you a triangle gem in addition to its hex slot. That'd have really pushed the "evil=mo4r 4774ckz" idea

as for why the God King doesn't recognize Ausar in IB1 it's probably because he's not spewing out a bunch of evil sounding monologues.

[arcane_]

Mmm, this is indeed a nice thread.

In regards to Isa being a deathless,
It's been awhile since I read IB:A, but wasn't Isa "disgusted" by having to carry Siris/Ausar's destroyed body to a Healing Chamber (I forgot the correct name of the rebirth rooms) lead by TEL and having witnessed him regenerate before her. I believe she left him after he awoke. Are we merely speculating that she is a deathless or is there some concrete proof I can't seem to recall? I would figure a deathless wouldn't be disgusted by the regenerative process.

In regards to the Vile Armor history, I agree with synge completely on his theory. The Archivist was the most interesting Blood Sentinel due to the lines he spoke in my opinion. It fuels synge's theory more.

[synge32]

Mmm, this is indeed a nice thread.

In regards to Isa being a deathless,
It's been awhile since I read IB:A, but wasn't Isa "disgusted" by having to carry Siris/Ausar's destroyed body to a Healing Chamber (I forgot the correct name of the rebirth rooms) lead by TEL and having witnessed him regenerate before her. I believe she left him after he awoke. Are we merely speculating that she is a deathless or is there some concrete proof I can't seem to recall? I would figure a deathless wouldn't be disgusted by the regenerative process.

In regards to the Vile Armor history, I agree with synge completely on his theory. The Archivist was the most interesting Blood Sentinel due to the lines he spoke in my opinion. It fuels synge's theory more.

Isa being a deathless is speculation, as is just about everything we discuss. Nice point about her being " disgusted". Although it is not so much the dead body, as it is the charred, three day old corpse ofe Siris that grosses her out. Still, she should show some restraint. I think this fuels the theory that , like Siris, she does not know that she is deathless

[IBJedi]

Isa being a deathless is speculation, as is just about everything we discuss. Nice point about her being " disgusted". Although it is not so much the dead body, as it is the charred, three day old corpse ofe Siris that grosses her out. Still, she should show some restraint. I think this fuels the theory that , like Siris, she does not know that she is deathless

Agreed. Like I put in my theory, I think TEL's orders from Ausar were misunderstood and applied to Isa as well, thus she ended with the same fate as Siris...not knowing who she really was...