Brothers to the End Playlist issue: Weapons need to be turned back to after use.

[DefinedDusT]

Me and my friend/clan member have been having a continuous issue involving the weapon spawning in Brothers to the End. Me and him have discussed this issue many times now and I decided I needed to do something about it. Since I have seen no forms about this issue I have made one myself. The issue is the weapons continuously spawning on Brothers to the End even though they have not ran out of ammo for the weapon yet. This seriously needs to be changed to (After use) since it has ruined most of the games me and my wing man have played. For Example: We start up a Ranked Match and get Clocktower, since me and my wingman know we obviously must rush the Boom shot for the advantage, we go there, and so does the opposing team for the advantage. They take control of the Boom Shot and camp there until we rush them just to die. After this happens all they must do the entire match to win is to camp at the booms shot. This ruins the entire point of a 2 v 2 and I am appauled that Epic would even dare put weapon respawn on "After pickup". Now we pick up sniper and by this point...both of the opposing players have their hands on a boom shot, Trying to snipe them has no point since they did nothing but camp the entire match at boom shot spawn. We ended up losing the match just because in the end they rushed us with over 6 shots each while we were trying to snipe them.

I just believe this needs to stop, me and my wingman have already discusses we might even play others games because of this issue. We may not quit completely but we want this issue resolved because we want "Fair" Gameplay in Brothers to the End (BTTE). I hope people consider this an issue and not forget about this. We need this to change.

Positive areas of taking off "Spawn after pickup"

1. People will not be able to camp hard in places such as where the Boom Shot spawns.
2. The game will go more smoothly and it will have a fair aspect.
3. People will want to play the playlist more.
4. People will have to use others weapons such as their Gnasher/ Assault rifle instead of camping on a weapon.
5. People will be forced to use other weapons such as grenades and The Longshot. Boosting game activity.
6. People will not rage quit out of BTTE because of Boom shot or any other weapons camping.

Hope epic sees this and takes advantage of the facts I have just presented to them.

-Defined DusT

[LambentHammerburst]

That wouldn't fix the issue at all. After use = fast spawning once it's used.
So if they fire those 3 shots quickly - it respawns FASTER than it would with after pickup.

[Coolsby]

please dont ruin BTTE. its fine the way it is... its my fav playlist actually

[TheEnvironment]

I hate the ALPHA rules, but BTTE is fine the way it is.

[defined klutz]

so you guys are saying how people just camp boom till they both have like 6 shots then its an automatic loss your right thats just great. i agree they do need to switch it beacuse with it switched once there out you have a chance to go kill them and take it over. with it as it is now they just camp till they get full ammo and u cant do **** about it

[Gnashes]

Solution 1: Don't lose your first push.

Solution 2: Don't let them keep control for 3 minutes when you can get multiple other power weapons.


No. Hell no. It's fine the way it is. If it was after Use you'd just be complaining about them getting so many Boomshots so quickly after killing you with it.

1. People will not be able to camp hard in places such as where the Boom Shot spawns.
Yeah.. I do it all the time in Execution/TDM.
2. The game will go more smoothly and it will have a fair aspect.
It already does this.
3. People will want to play the playlist more.
No, not really... It was insanely popular before, with the SAME settings.
4. People will have to use others weapons such as their Gnasher/ Assault rifle instead of camping on a weapon.
Again, no they won't.
5. People will be forced to use other weapons such as grenades and The Longshot. Boosting game activity.
... Same point as before?
6. People will not rage quit out of BTTE because of Boom shot or any other weapons camping.
People will ALWAYS rage quit if they lose.

All in all, you have some seriously poor reasoning here my friend.

[DatBoyPacMan]

Wow. This thread exists? Whose fault is it that you lost your first push? Your team's. Who's fault is it that one person didn't pick up nades to flush them out while someone snipes/lancers? Your team's. Who isn't evasive enough to make the guy waste a few boomshots. Your team's. You spawn with 10 lives +2. Even if they get boomshot and kill you with it 3 times, you still have 7 lives left +2. And enough time to get there before the boomshot respawns again.

What's so hard about tossing a frag on each side of the pickup truck? Or lobbing an incendiary on top of the boomshot?

Or is it that you or your teammate has no skill with snipe and can't pop someone's head while they're picking up boomshot ammo.

Stop raging and play normal TDM

[DefinedDusT]

What are you saying? It would most definitely fix the gameplay because without the ability to sit there until another one spawns will make them stop camping. The only reason you would disagree with this is if you are one of the people that enjoy doing this cheap move. If you dont understand from after what I said then you need to get yourself checked out bro.

[DefinedDusT]

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. It is not as simple as lobbing a grenade over because you will simply get boom shotted. You have to understand we like playing BTTE and we need this resolved. Unless you are some cheap player that plays this playlist for the camping of weapons then why the **** would you even bother hating against this thread? Are you trying to ruin the Gow community? Do you know how many people have probably been pissed off half to death from the issue but never came to these forums or just have not yet seen this thread? Just think to yourself, am I really a good Gears player when all I do is sit back and camp the most overpowered weapon in the game? Yeah I thought so.

[DefinedDusT]

Yeah dude I have no clue what they are talkin' bout people are dumb I guess that is why the world is the way it isl.

[DatBoyPacMan]

I don't camp. Everybody knows the simple strategies on Clocktower. One player rushes up top, lancers the people going to boomshot, while the teammate finishes up the damage with well placed Gnasher rounds. If you and your teammate get demolished in a 2v2 Gnasher show-down, then you're going to lose the match anyway. If you can't handle these guys with your Gnasher, then Boomshot doesn't make a difference. YOU need the power weapons to win.

[NFI]

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. It is not as simple as lobbing a grenade over because you will simply get boom shotted. You have to understand we like playing BTTE and we need this resolved. Unless you are some cheap player that plays this playlist for the camping of weapons then why the **** would you even bother hating against this thread? Are you trying to ruin the Gow community? Do you know how many people have probably been pissed off half to death from the issue but never came to these forums or just have not yet seen this thread? Just think to yourself, am I really a good Gears player when all I do is sit back and camp the most overpowered weapon in the game? Yeah I thought so.

Yeah dude I have no clue what they are talkin' bout people are dumb I guess that is why the world is the way it isl.

You need to stop with the insuts simply because people disagree. Further more this is not an issue, it's a "want", and they aren't the same thing.

[IBYCFOTA]

Wow. This thread exists? Whose fault is it that you lost your first push? Your team's. Who's fault is it that one person didn't pick up nades to flush them out while someone snipes/lancers? Your team's. Who isn't evasive enough to make the guy waste a few boomshots. Your team's. You spawn with 10 lives +2. Even if they get boomshot and kill you with it 3 times, you still have 7 lives left +2. And enough time to get there before the boomshot respawns again.

What's so hard about tossing a frag on each side of the pickup truck? Or lobbing an incendiary on top of the boomshot?

Or is it that you or your teammate has no skill with snipe and can't pop someone's head while they're picking up boomshot ammo.

Stop raging and play normal TDM

I really don't care about OP's predicament seeing as how I don't play BTTE but I despise the logic that says something is fine simply because you can benefit from the same imbalance. Or that said imbalance doesn't completely ruin your chances of winning therefore it's okay the way it is. That's nonsense. You can defend anything with that kind of flawed reasoning.

[DJ CARNIV AL]

Lol. Don't lose the push and if you do you take top and snipe and gets nades and boltok. You can Boltok through parts of the car to hit them at the far corners.

[LEVI THE ACE]

My only issue with this playlist is the fact that there is a boom on any of the btte maps. Hell there's even one on checkout

[vick818]

He had a point why would you put the most OP power weapon on a 2v2?

[peepers]

Oh man op your opening up a can of worms with some of these guys, hey have pointed out your flawed logic and you attack them with ignorant posts. I played btte when it was an event my teammate and I would get boom or sniper or digger or nades and proceed to destroy people with them then on the last shot head back to its respective spawn kill the guy waiting for it and then wait 30 seconds and do it again. Hardely any loadout weapon kills. Now you either have to make your shots count or risk not having a power weapon for a very long time. It adds more strategy to the game, 2v2 is way to easy to dominate power weapons. I'm sorry but you could just be getting beat by better smarter people. Look at gridlock there are two power weapons nades and ink, your telling me that two guys are able to get and hold everyone of those and leave you with nothing? Clock tower is the same way as with mercy thrashball trenches and basically every other map.

Again I'm sorry but your just getting beat by better people learn from it and adapt it to your playstyle, maybe put the shotgun away and cross with rifles or try flanking or going a different direction these maps are set up like they are for a reason.

[A CANADIAN]

Wow. This thread exists? Whose fault is it that you lost your first push? Your team's. Who's fault is it that one person didn't pick up nades to flush them out while someone snipes/lancers? Your team's. Who isn't evasive enough to make the guy waste a few boomshots. Your team's. You spawn with 10 lives +2. Even if they get boomshot and kill you with it 3 times, you still have 7 lives left +2. And enough time to get there before the boomshot respawns again.

What's so hard about tossing a frag on each side of the pickup truck? Or lobbing an incendiary on top of the boomshot?

Or is it that you or your teammate has no skill with snipe and can't pop someone's head while they're picking up boomshot ammo.

Stop raging and play normal TDM

Couldn't say it much better. The boom does not instantly respawn. You can rush. There are plenty of things to take cover on. Throw incendiaries or your smoke. Come on man. Is this serious? I love Brothers too. When I have just 1 friend on we almost always play this game type. We don't have this problem. We have lost a few where someone camped us on a power weapon, and we worked and worked and got the job done. Sometimes we do not. It's still fun and we don't come on here and cry about it. Just practice a bit more and try and get better. Gears takes time. It will come. You can do it.

[LambentHammerburst]

Couldn't say it much better. The boom does not instantly respawn. You can rush. There are plenty of things to take cover on. Throw incendiaries or your smoke. Come on man. Is this serious? I love Brothers too. When I have just 1 friend on we almost always play this game type. We don't have this problem. We have lost a few where someone camped us on a power weapon, and we worked and worked and got the job done. Sometimes we do not. It's still fun and we don't come on here and cry about it. Just practice a bit more and try and get better. Gears takes time. It will come. You can do it.

Couldn't of said it better myself.
Every team is different - using a single tactic doesn't work anymore. Gnasher rushing like you did in G2 isn't a sure way to win anymore.
If one method doesn't work - try a different approach.