Bring back the Gears 2 Ink Please

[>I Am Legend<]

I used to always defend the inks stun, but not anymore, you know why? not because people are using the ink on me always and getting cheap kills, it's because after thinking long and hard i believe that the ink isn't and "ink" grenade, it's a "stun" grenade.

I believe increasing the inks radius by x3 is good enough, by my logic. Obviously the stun needs removing, in place a higher damage output for the ink should be added so if a player was to stand in the ink radius they would go in DBNO in around 2 seconds, maybe 1.5? just to make it lethal.

Tournaments are removing inks just because they think it's "op" and the pros will abuse this grenade that spawns near spawns on certain maps.

Just think of it like this, if a team is camping like idiots and you get this gears 2 ink and throw it at the area, they will all have to move or die in an actived lancer time. Then when they move, assuming they have taken some damage, you can push them.

I can easily avoid getting killed by inks, simply because if someone is holding it, i will be aware and ready to bounce, so if they don't change it i am not going to beat myself up about it. But the change will give back the inks personnel character and use, it will set it apart all the other grenades.

Frag Grenade: Timer, then will explode, produces high damage.

Incendiary Grenade: Instant kill upon impact or gradual damage if enemy is standing on the fire.

Smoke: Blurs enemy vision, good for flanking, has a little stun but you can move, the stun is great for this smoke, gives it another use for smokes apart from the grey smoke it creates.

Ink (gears 2): Big radius upon impact, stays around for a long time, good for killing campers and flushing them out, no stun.

Ink (gears 3): Stun, player cannot move while stunned for like 2 seconds, little ink damage, if directly hits enemy then they are dbno (like the incendiary in a way, because once you go into dbno you die super fast, it was a waste of time to go into dbno but obviously the incendiary is insta kill upon impact), cannot flush out campers, created for 1v1 combat (much like the hammerburst with it's small magazine)

The gears 2 ink sounds unique and better, the solution isn't to remove the stun because if they remove the stun from the regular gears 3 ink then we will have another useless weapon/pickup. It will do nothing and MIGHT assist like the digger does on unaware enemies.

The REAL solution is to remove stun, increase ink radius and to make the ink have a high damage output while the enemy is in the ink.

[DJ CARNIV AL]

100% Agree

[>I Am Legend<]

100% Agree

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

[ll ALEX76 ll]

Better late than never
Support.

[Phlegethon]

I agree with you.

My biggest problem is still frags. Sick of them blowing up instantly. Or if I down and kill somebody, finding myself dying 2, 3 seconds after they are dead. Really? How does that work?

But yeah, preferred old inks.

[DarkNinja]

No thank you. The Gears 2 Ink wasn't that good of a weapon. It could be effective if timed right but the person can still run through the Ink and won't feel the thing. Overall, the new Ink is more useful than the old. In Gears 2, I chose Smoke over the Ink. Yeah, no thank you. The new Ink is different in this game but at least it is a certain kill and that is the point of power weapon or pick up weapons.

I MIGHT agree with you if they put a high damage output though.

[ForgottenGear91]

I agree. I used to like gears 2 ink for annex,i want it back for koth

[ll ALEX76 ll]

The new Ink is different in this game but at least it is a certain kill and that is the point of power weapon or pick up weapons.

Power weapon doesn't mean certain kill.
Not to mention smoke nades as pick ups
I had many multiples with Inks in Gears 2.

[>I Am Legend<]

No thank you. The Gears 2 Ink wasn't that good of a weapon. It could be effective if timed right but the person can still run through the Ink and won't feel the thing. Overall, the new Ink is more useful than the old. In Gears 2, I chose Smoke over the Ink. Yeah, no thank you. The new Ink is different in this game but at least it is a certain kill and that is the point of power weapon or pick up weapons.

I MIGHT agree with you if they put a high damage output though.

Yes my thread says that it should have a higher damage output, like an active lancer, it should down in around 2 seconds or less.

I agree with you.

My biggest problem is still frags. Sick of them blowing up instantly. Or if I down and kill somebody, finding myself dying 2, 3 seconds after they are dead. Really? How does that work?

But yeah, preferred old inks.

Thats lag, the frag isn't designed to blow up that fast, it first must touch the ground then beep a couple of times then blow up.

[DarkNinja]

Yes my thread says that it should have a higher damage output, like an active lancer, it should down in around 2 seconds or less.

Yup, I read it. It should do more damage. It seems pretty useless if people can just run through it without a care in the world.

[>I Am Legend<]

Power weapon doesn't mean certain kill.
Not to mention smoke nades as pick ups
I had many multiples with Inks in Gears 2.

I use to have that mentality but now i believe that the ink isn't an ink anymore but a free kill that just stuns and very little ink damage.

[Phlegethon]

Yes my thread says that it should have a higher damage output, like an active lancer, it should down in around 2 seconds or less.



Thats lag, the frag isn't designed to blow up that fast, it first must touch the ground then beep a couple of times then blow up.

No lag, it just didn't beep at all.

In this case, I downed the guy and killed him. I then ran to him, only to suddenly blow up.

But that's another story.

Make ink spread wider and more powerful, and it'll be better than what we have.

[DarkNinja]

Power weapon doesn't mean certain kill.
Not to mention smoke nades as pick ups
I had many multiples with Inks in Gears 2.

Yes but the Ink was a complete joke. The Smoke was better than that trash. You can run through it if you want. It is only useful if you trap the person in the corner and force them to roll. Your a right, a power weapon doesn't mean a certain kill. But the Ink was terrible. The damage output was terrible and the point of power weapons is to get a kill with it but that was impossible to do with a Ink. Therefore, the Ink in Gears of war 2 is terrible.

[>I Am Legend<]

No lag, it just didn't beep at all.

In this case, I downed the guy and killed him. I then ran to him, only to suddenly blow up.

But that's another story.

Make ink spread wider and more powerful, and it'll be better than what we have.

OH YEAH! Now i know, he must have had it out and was going to detonate in when he was in dbno, then it must of tooken its time and blew up when you got close.

[Phlegethon]

OH YEAH! Now i know, he must have had it out and was going to detonate in when he was in dbno, then it must of tooken its time and blew up when you got close.

It was a huge time difference. I wasn't happy.

And inks were mostly used for defence in Gears 2. Put a few up to protect your leader.

[>I Am Legend<]

Yes but the Ink was a complete joke. The Smoke was better than that trash. You can run through it if you want. It is only useful if you trap the person in the corner and force them to roll. Your a right, a power weapon doesn't mean a certain kill. But the Ink was terrible. The damage output was terrible and the point of power weapons is to get a kill with it but that was impossible to do with a Ink. Therefore, the Ink in Gears of war 2 is terrible.

yes but with this idea the weak gears 2 ink can be adjusted to fit gears 3.

It was a huge time difference. I wasn't happy.

And inks were mostly used for defence in Gears 2. Put a few up to protect your leader.

LOL i can imagine, that was probably lag in the match or it shouldn't take that long.

Yeah inks were useful in gears 2 guardian.

[richrd376]

This is my humble opionion but I felt that the inks from gears 2 were a much more effective tool. Not only were they good for flushing out campers due to their larger radius, but for defensive purposes two inks placed slightly apart were excellent for taking out rushing opponents, the amount of multiple kills I used to get on Jacinto with two inks planted on the way up to the grenade spawns used to be great, just no way through for rushing enemies, one behind the sandbags and one at the top of the stairs, killer every time.
But these new inks are either a cheap kill via the stun effect (the new two piece!) or just do very little damage if not caught by the stun effect, hell they dont even look effective like the previous incarnation due to the small effect area and the thick green colour of the ink itself.
No I certainly think the previous version was better, just have to know how to use them effectively to get the best out of them.

[Phlegethon]

yes but with this idea the weak gears 2 ink can be adjusted to fit gears 3.



LOL i can imagine, that was probably lag in the match or it shouldn't take that long.

Yeah inks were useful in gears 2 guardian.

It's happened a few times....urgh.

How easy would it be for Epic to change the inks? I have no idea how these things work

[>I Am Legend<]

It's happened a few times....urgh.

How easy would it be for Epic to change the inks? I have no idea how these things work

Neither do i, but they can change many things eg semi auto longshot. So i am assuming they can change this faster too.

[Maaaaaz]

Full support.

G2 Ink with more damage will make the game 100 times better.

[Phlegethon]

Neither do i, but they can change many things eg semi auto longshot. So i am assuming they can change this faster too.

I'd tweet one of the Epic guys but I doubt they'd respond to me.

This is my humble opionion but I felt that the inks from gears 2 were a much more effective tool. Not only were they good for flushing out campers due to their larger radius, but for defensive purposes two inks placed slightly apart were excellent for taking out rushing opponents, the amount of multiple kills I used to get on Jacinto with two inks planted on the way up to the grenade spawns used to be great, just no way through for rushing enemies, one behind the sandbags and one at the top of the stairs, killer every time.
But these new inks are either a cheap kill via the stun effect (the new two piece!) or just do very little damage if not caught by the stun effect, hell they dont even look effective like the previous incarnation due to the small effect area and the thick green colour of the ink itself.
No I certainly think the previous version was better, just have to know how to use them effectively to get the best out of them.

Exactly this. If you did the same plants on New Jacinto, you'd have to be there to shoot them, otherwise they'd carry on as normal. New inks are better at slowing them down with a throw or taking a power weapon, but thats as far as it goes.

[sayhitomom]

i like gears 3 ink better

[the rattle5nake]

I don't really agree that the ink needs changing. My take on it is if someone threw a massive ink grenade in real life, you would be stunned for a period before continuing moving so maybe its just to reflect that.

[24/7]

I don't really agree that the ink needs changing. My take on it is if someone threw a massive ink grenade in real life, you would be stunned for a period before continuing moving so maybe its just to reflect that.

don't bring in real life arguments such as this one to a video game. BALANCE > REALISM

justsaiyan

[Phlegethon]

I don't really agree that the ink needs changing. My take on it is if someone threw a massive ink grenade in real life, you would be stunned for a period before continuing moving so maybe its just to reflect that.

If somebody threw a massive ink grenade in real life, we'd just end up covered in ink. And have to throw our clothes out.

Hardly compares.

[TrueCore]

I'm pretty sure they won't change it, but yes I would really like it to be changed.

[Art of Drowning]

No thank you. The Gears 2 Ink wasn't that good of a weapon. It could be effective if timed right but the person can still run through the Ink and won't feel the thing. Overall, the new Ink is more useful than the old. In Gears 2, I chose Smoke over the Ink. Yeah, no thank you. The new Ink is different in this game but at least it is a certain kill and that is the point of power weapon or pick up weapons.

I MIGHT agree with you if they put a high damage output though.

FAIL. You obviously didn't know how to use ink in Gears 2. Inks were extremely deadly. Most of all, it was used to block areas, throw on downed opponents, and one of the most deadly pick ups in Annex. I once got a Quinn Ink grenade kill on Highway in Annex because of a well timed throw. Ink doesn't grant kills in this game. Just a cheap stun, for a weapon kill.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

FAIL. You obviously didn't know how to use ink in Gears 2. Inks were extremely deadly. Most of all, it was used to block areas, throw on downed opponents, and one of the most deadly pick ups in Annex. I once got a Quinn Ink grenade kill on Highway in Annex because of a well timed throw. Ink doesn't grant kills in this game. Just a cheap stun, for a weapon kill.

Remember some people aren't as good with weapons then the other guy so the stunning ink work for everyone and to put it bluntly ink in gears 2 didn't work for many game modes

[>I Am Legend<]

If somebody threw a massive ink grenade in real life, we'd just end up covered in ink. And have to throw our clothes out.

Hardly compares.

Lmfao!!!!!! Exactly, you would just put it in the wash, worst case scenario you might get some ink in your eye, can you get blind like that?

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

Eh, I don't want the ink grenade to be an exact replica of the GoW2 Version.

HOWEVER, the stun is right out ridiculous! You could be a good amount away from an Ink and it still stuns you.

The stun needs to be adjusted so that it doesn't have it's extremely HUGE radius. The Ink damage does need a buff as well. Many times, others and I just Roadie Run through Ink grenades because some of the time, they don't do puff.

All in all, I say yes, the ink needs to be altered, BUT I don't think it needs to be like the GoW2 Ink.

[gearzzz]

dont like the inks or the frags. gears 2 had it right.

[KaY C]

Yes but the Ink was a complete joke. The Smoke was better than that trash. You can run through it if you want. It is only useful if you trap the person in the corner and force them to roll. Your a right, a power weapon doesn't mean a certain kill. But the Ink was terrible. The damage output was terrible and the point of power weapons is to get a kill with it but that was impossible to do with a Ink. Therefore, the Ink in Gears of war 2 is terrible.

The ink wasn't meant to be thrown and kill..
It was meant to flush enemies out of cross spots to make pushes or pick up weapons.

It was strategical, and yes, very worthy. I believe the problem was you, not the ink.

[the rattle5nake]

If somebody threw a massive ink grenade in real life, we'd just end up covered in ink. And have to throw our clothes out.

Hardly compares.

but the second you realised you were covered in ink, you would pause and think wtf i am covered in ink (the stun) before going after the person who covered you in ink.

end of discussion

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

but the second you realised you were covered in ink, you would pause and think wtf i am covered in ink (the stun) before going after the person who covered you in ink.

end of discussion

Actually, I'd scream because some big huge monk like mole person threw it at me while I'm wearing Civilian clothing and is about to break my eardrums and shoot me to death with two pistols.

^True story.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Actually, I'd scream because some big huge monk like mole person threw it at me while I'm wearing Civilian clothing and is about to break my eardrums and shoot me to death with two pistols.

^True story.

Where you civi anya!?

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

Where you civi anya!?

We're talking about real life situations if there was an Ink grenade thrown at us.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

We're talking about real life situations if there was an Ink grenade thrown at us.

Sure what ever and gears 2 ink sucked gears 3 ink is better since it has a stun and a damage field

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

Sure what ever and gears 2 ink sucked gears 3 ink is better since it has a stun and a damage field

Gears 2 ink was really good for suppression and clearing out campers.

I don't remember how much damage it did, but I'm pretty sure it did a fair amount too.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Gears 2 ink was really good for suppression and clearing out campers.

I don't remember how much damage it did, but I'm pretty sure it did a fair amount too.

No not really only if you stood in it would it work not to mention but the smokes before patch plus ink made it deadly which I'm sure that was the intended purpose but after patch it just sucked
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[TH3 ZomBifiieD]

I use to have that mentality but now i believe that the ink isn't an ink anymore but a free kill that just stuns and very little ink damage.

Lol this is the third opinion you have rescinded in the last few months. Im glad you aren't blindly defending Epic's design choices, and are actually fighting to make Gears 3 the best game it can be, and the best it certainly deserves to be!

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