K/D vs W/L & A Side Note

[omymarshmellows]

I don't personally think K/D reflects if a player is good or not does but people @_@ always brag about their stats as if it is. I find some really good players sometime with high K/D but poor W/L ratios and immediately think that they're solo players out for themselves, who go for kills and most likely steal them. I've also met some of the best team players vice versa. I'll just be honest and say that my K/D is 1.0 but my W/L is 2.4 and let me tell you, a lot of my steals are always stolen (because I usually down people with my lancer and don't go for the body like most ppl). They should make a Medal instead of a ribbon for Stop Thief! because I'd have an onxy by now -_- I'm not too mad about it though, only mad if its the last one and I want an arm rip execution. So what are your opinions of K/D vs. W/L? My opinion is that W/L is a better determinant of how good the player is although I don't think stats by themselves are a good determinant of the player overall. I'm okay if you don't agree with me because I'd just like to hear your guys' opinions and will ignore you if you're really rude or something or.... just give you a

On a side note: I posted in another thread about how I want to find people to help me train and people automatically assume because I asked for training partners that when they play with me that I must suck @_@.... I wrote saying "I'm not a noob per se" I just want to master power weapons like snipe and torque mainly so its assumption that's sort of wearing on my nerves when they see my red 53 and they're like...u don't need help training. Yes I do need help training and I'm always looking for more people to train with because there's always going to be a situation in which I could've done better if I had just trained more. And yes, I take gears really serious and hope to compete this summer in tournaments. I've played against really good players in Ranked and am more than happy to lose to them if I learn something from it. I'm the type of player that is open to learning and changing to win. I'm sort of sad though that some of the people who responded and wanted to help don't want to train anymore because I'm a decent player. It's like saying only bad players need to train, which I find rather lame. It's not good enough, I want to be better and better and learn all that I can before the Gears gaming world ends and sort of sad I came into it so late in its history. I'm looking forward to Ghost Recon coming out because I hear it plays like Gears but am disheartened to see that that visal style is too much CoD. They could have at least made it cartoony like Borderlands but *sighs*. And I also saw a rather rude thread about a "Man" asking for help training and basically implying that all female players aren't good, laughed about it but decided not to say anything because there was no need to speak to a sexist.

[Sharkshot]

Imo, a 2.0 K/D on a player who plays on their own, is 9 times out of 10 a better player than a guy with a 4.0 K/D in a full team.
A high K/D usually means you're either talented, or you tend to kill people from a distance.
A high W/L either means you play in full teams with good plays all of the time, or you're just the God of Gears.
And on another note, online doesn't prove your full potential due to latency (lag) etc.

Edit: I've had 5years of playing Gears of War (not 24/7, I play once or twice a week) so I can play well when I want/have to, I'm just going to be honest and say there are much better players than me, and I think it's important to let you know that although you'd like to go to a competitive event, asking for help on the forums on how to play isn't a good sign, sometimes asking people who you lose against isn't always a bad thing (sometimes they might be nice dudes you never know until you try!).

Edit 2 (Because I never seem to know when to stop): I had a profile I used to play on my own in Ranked TDM, I had 1,000+ ppr, and 2,000+ ppm. 3.4 K/D and 9.7 W/L (not bragging) but sometimes one individual brain can overcome 5 dead one's. :P

[Gnashty NaS]

I don't personally think K/D reflects if a player is good or not does but people @_@ always brag about their stats as if it is. I find some really good players sometime with high K/D but poor W/L ratios and immediately think that they're solo players out for themselves, who go for kills and most likely steal them. I've also met some of the best team players vice versa. I'll just be honest and say that my K/D is 1.0 but my W/L is 2.4 and let me tell you, a lot of my steals are always stolen (because I usually down people with my lancer and don't go for the body like most ppl). They should make a Medal instead of a ribbon for Stop Thief! because I'd have an onxy by now -_- I'm not too mad about it though, only mad if its the last one and I want an arm rip execution. So what are your opinions of K/D vs. W/L? My opinion is that W/L is a better determinant of how good the player is although I don't think stats by themselves are a good determinant of the player overall. I'm okay if you don't agree with me because I'd just like to hear your guys' opinions and will ignore you if you're really rude or something or.... just give you a

Well, after our argument in my thread, I am more than happy to be able to agree with you. K/D may be a better way of telling how good someone would do in a 1v1, that's SOMETIMES it is an OKAY way of telling how good someone is in a 1v1. But as you said, W/L I think is more important, it tells you how much someone will actually help you win. I want both of my stats to be high, but I can have a great K/D and lose, I will be mad, because I lost. I can do teribly and win, I will be happy, because I won.

[DenyThisFlesh]

K/D and W/L are just part of a bigger picture and neither of them can tell you very much about a player. Points per match is a much better indicator of skill, but even that is flawed. The only real way to know if someone is a good player or not is to play with them for a while.

[Gnashes]

K/D and W/L are just part of a bigger picture and neither of them can tell you very much about a player. Points per match is a much better indicator of skill, but even that is flawed. The only real way to know if someone is a good player or not is to play with them for a while.

This is pretty well accurate. I have about a 3.0 K/D and 6.0 W/L across all public gamemodes combined, but I also play with a team most of the time. Those stats differ between the modes I play with my friends and with the modes I play solo.

Actually playing with or against someone is the best way to tell if they're a good player or not.

[123MAN]

K/D and W/L are just part of a bigger picture and neither of them can tell you very much about a player. Points per match is a much better indicator of skill, but even that is flawed. The only real way to know if someone is a good player or not is to play with them for a while.

This is possibly the best answer I have read on this topic. I would only like to add to it and say that the people you play with also make a huge difference. If you play in a team that complements your play style then you will perform a lot better. Stats offer a small template at best and can be put to better use as a guideline for one's own progress with the use of monthly stats etc. As far as learning and developing new tactics and play styles in my opinion is best done in a good team. A good team as in one that helps you play in your comfort zone for most of the time. About the thread you were taking about; I didn't actually see it. But if you looking for players to play with and help develop some skills then I would be happy to lend a hand.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

This is pretty well accurate. I have about a 3.0 K/D and 6.0 W/L across all public gamemodes combined, but I also play with a team most of the time. Those stats differ between the modes I play with my friends and with the modes I play solo.

Actually playing with or against someone is the best way to tell if they're a good player or not.

Apparently if you go ranked solo your suppose to get better I don't buy that

[omymarshmellows]

Imo, a 2.0 K/D on a player who plays on their own, is 9 times out of 10 a better player than a guy with a 4.0 K/D in a full team.
A high K/D usually means you're either talented, or you tend to kill people from a distance.
A high W/L either means you play in full teams with good plays all of the time, or you're just the God of Gears.
And on another note, online doesn't prove your full potential due to latency (lag) etc.

Edit: I've had 5years of playing Gears of War (not 24/7, I play once or twice a week) so I can play well when I want/have to, I'm just going to be honest and say there are much better players than me, and I think it's important to let you know that although you'd like to go to a competitive event, asking for help on the forums on how to play isn't a good sign, sometimes asking people who you lose against isn't always a bad thing (sometimes they might be nice dudes you never know until you try!).

I'm not sure I agree with you on that part because my W/L is decent despite playing alone when compared to K/D. In fact, I'm never really MVP, usually second or third place point system wise but I hardly ever lose either and I don't quit matches either. My CTL K/D is stupid though because downing a leader doesn't count as a kill and I usually go for leader and do whatever it takes to win rather than worrying about my K/D. However I don't think it's wrong to ask on forums as I've met some pretty awesome guys, just some that I'm not too pleased with due to that attitude and I've asked people I lose against -_- it's not like I don't.

And I think people aren't really understanding something because as I stated before, I know that K/D and W/L aren't good indicators of the player oOVERALL but which of the two are better at determining the player?

[omymarshmellows]

Well, after our argument in my thread, I am more than happy to be able to agree with you. K/D may be a better way of telling how good someone would do in a 1v1, that's SOMETIMES it is an OKAY way of telling how good someone is in a 1v1. But as you said, W/L I think is more important, it tells you how much someone will actually help you win. I want both of my stats to be high, but I can have a great K/D and lose, I will be mad, because I lost. I can do teribly and win, I will be happy, because I won.

LMAO it was a fun argument, I like arguing with people actually. Makes me feel like I'm learning something kind of. I also think people with high W/L have better team player mentalities and carry the teams in a way sometimes MVP doesn't. Like I just got done playing a match right now at Jacinto TDM with 1300 points and 2 kills, 1 death....it was annoying but I still got 3rd place. I was robbed but we won the match so I was content.

[Maaaaaz]

Whenever I mention my stats, I always put them both together, as well as Points-Per-Round.

You can't have one without the other two.

A high K/D but low W/L could indicate you steal kills a lot, and in general don't help your team.
A low K/D but a high W/L could indicate you just get carried by your team.

Key word here being could.
But that's where PPR comes in. The higher that is, the better you're doing, period. Couple that with a good K/D and it means you're not the dude who goes 15-13, which in turn keeps your W/L up because you're not draining your teams respawns, or spending the majority of the time spectating cus you're dead.

For the record, I have a 2.1 K/D and a 1.9 W/L. I only ever play solo QM TDM.
PPR of ~roughly 690, IIRC (Can't check atm)

[TheEnvironment]

A high K/D but low W/L could indicate you steal kills a lot.

I find some really good players sometime with high K/D but poor W/L ratios and immediately think that they're solo players out for themselves, who go for kills and most likely steal them.........They should make a Medal instead of a ribbon for Stop Thief! because I'd have an onxy by now.

There is no way to steal kills.
Also that Stop Thief! ribbon is a joke as in haha!(Jokes on you)
Kill stealing doesn't happen, they just give it to you for points.

[Maaaaaz]

There is no way to steal kills.
Also that Stop Thief! ribbon is a joke as in haha!(Jokes on you)
Kill stealing doesn't happen, they just give it to you for points.

You know what I mean by Kill Stealing lol.

[TheEnvironment]

You know what I mean by Kill Stealing lol.

I know what you mean.
Putting in all the effort to down someone, and BAM! Wild "teammate"(<- I use the word loosely) appears, and helps you kill that guy who was crawling so fast!
I am surprised someone didn't say that to both of you sooner. lol.

[Maaaaaz]

I know what you mean.
Putting in all the effort to down someone, and BAM! Wild "teammate"(<- I use the word loosely) appears, and helps you kill that guy who was crawling so fast!
I am surprised someone didn't say that to both of you sooner. lol.

Lols. I have no issue with it in a firefight.
But when it's one guy who has no teammates even remotely close, and they decide to hard aim your down, it irritates me. A lot

[TheEnvironment]

Lols. I have no issue with it in a firefight.
But when it's one guy who has no teammates even remotely close, and they decide to hard aim your down, it irritates me. A lot

Happens far to often for my liking.
If my entire team is shooting at one guy, I could care less who got the kill.
But the situation you described really irks me.

[TheEnvironment]

K/D and W/L are just part of a bigger picture and neither of them can tell you very much about a player. Points per match is a much better indicator of skill, but even that is flawed. The only real way to know if someone is a good player or not is to play with them for a while.

This is the only true indicator.

[Maaaaaz]

Happens far to often for my liking.
If my entire team is shooting at one guy, I could care less who got the kill.
But the situation you described really irks me.

But it's a team game! It doesn't matter who gets the kill!

So....If it doesn't matter, why did you take the time to take it?
Everyone spouts the same crap for why they do it, but they can never answer that

Other than taking yet more downs

[TheEnvironment]

But it's a team game! It doesn't matter who gets the kill!

So....If it doesn't matter, why did you take the time to take it?
Everyone spouts the same crap for why they do it, but they can never answer that

Other than taking yet more downs

You answered your own question.
"It's a team game!"

lol. Some people.

[Maaaaaz]

You answered your own question.
"It's a team game!"

lol. Some people.

Yeah, team game guys. First things first, let's piss off all my teammates

FORWARD TO VICTORY!

(And all those downs that aren't mine)

[NP473L]

K/D and W/L are a measure of many things...skill is obviously one of them.

However, to me, stats are grossly inflated by playing with a team, and your playstyle itself. If you are a support player, expect your K/D to be a little higher...if you are a slayer, expect your SPM to be a little higher. If you play with a few friends, expect your W/L to be higher. It's not a level playing field, but obviously, they give some indication of 'how good you are'.

I personally care about different things in different gamemodes. W/L is important in all, but in TDM, you want to have a high K/D. In KoTH, you want to have a high SPR/SPM. It all varies and I tend to look at everything.

In Quick Match KoTH (where stats mean little to me), I hold a 2.1 K/D - 2.5 W/L. There are people on my friends list with both stats in excess of 4.0 and 5.0 in both of these. I play Quick Match KoTH solo, and my SPM is greater than all on my friends list, and I pick up most MVP medals. For me, that's the most important thing, but to them, their K/D or W/L is the important thing. It all varies, but you need a wide range of players on your team to be successful, and you will naturally have different stats due to the differing roles on your team.

When we move onto the nitty-gritty of Ranked games, stats mean an awful lot more to me. In the UK, every game (pretty much) has two 3+ parties in it, so the competition is pretty fierce most of the time. Anything above 1.0 in both departments is pretty solid, and anything above 1.5 is good going. Again though, it depends on the gamemode and specific role of that particular team member.

[Gnashty NaS]

LMAO it was a fun argument, I like arguing with people actually. Makes me feel like I'm learning something kind of. I also think people with high W/L have better team player mentalities and carry the teams in a way sometimes MVP doesn't. Like I just got done playing a match right now at Jacinto TDM with 1300 points and 2 kills, 1 death....it was annoying but I still got 3rd place. I was robbed but we won the match so I was content.

Yeah well if you want to continue I have posted a reply. Someone else on this thread said something good, a high W/L could just mean you're carried by your team. It's best if they're both high on a player who plays alone(otherwise you really don't know how much truth there is in either of his stas) my K/D and W/L on Guardian(the main mode I play) are exactly the same and I always play alone usually with 2-3 bad team mates and a bot. I get MVP a good amount, after getting my 600th MVP ribbon, I got the Onyx medal for 500 MVP ribbons! Anywho, all those points I get are from protecting my leader, clearing a path to the enemy leader, killing the enemy leader, or surviving as leader. I can't stand to lose so I am quite a good team player, I do things for the common good of the team. And I'm proud to be a high rank who is RESPECTFUL. I don't t-bag, I don't steal kills, I don't send hate mail. It saddens me to see people who play this game a lot being completely disrespectful.

[SnubbbS]

I'm one of those players who always play with a full team in ranked, 350-0 in tdm and about a 30.0 average w/l in all other ranked gametypes. This game isn't very hard, I play solo qmtdm and average 2300 a game with a 3.8 k/d. Chances are "solo" players are only "solo" because no one wants to play with them.

[Sharkshot]

I'm one of those players who always play with a full team in ranked, 350-0 in tdm and about a 30.0 average w/l in all other ranked gametypes. This game isn't very hard, I play solo qmtdm and average 2300 a game with a 3.8 k/d. Chances are "solo" players are only "solo" because no one wants to play with them.

Out of those 350 wins, how many did you quit out of in a full team? ;D

[d JonnY cL10 b]

I can't understand how people don't understand that someone with a good killdeath ratio and a low than average win loss ratio is obviously a better player. It doesn't mean that they steal kills. What don't people understand that its harder together kills in a losing match with worse teammates than it is to he kills in a winning match with better teammates.

[123MAN]

I can't understand how people don't understand that someone with a good killdeath ratio and a low than average win loss ratio is obviously a better player. It doesn't mean that they steal kills. What don't people understand that its harder together kills in a losing match with worse teammates than it is to he kills in a winning match with better teammates.

W/L greater than K/D. Why?

Well if I go 15-5 and win the match my K/D is 3.0.
If my opponent goes 10-2 he has a 5.0.

[dowhatican]

It's different for everybody. w/L should be more important, but mines not as good as it should be because Gears is retarded and sticks me on teams of kids with peas for brains. There's no telling how good someone really is until you play with them. I personally think peoples w/L AND k/d are better when they have a decent team of people they know backing them up. My TDM k/d and w/L when I play by myself is like 1.8 and 2.2, yet when I started playing execution with a team, I'm keeping a k/d over 3 and had a w/L well over 6.0 over the first 25 games or so.

[dowhatican]

I can't understand how people don't understand that someone with a good killdeath ratio and a low than average win loss ratio is obviously a better player. It doesn't mean that they steal kills. What don't people understand that its harder together kills in a losing match with worse teammates than it is to he kills in a winning match with better teammates.

If someones really that good they should be able to keep a decent w/L. Unless for some reason you're choosing to play with crappy players in a party? It's easy to take kills and still lose.

[MxPro239]

I'm one of those players who always play with a full team in ranked, 350-0 in tdm and about a 30.0 average w/l in all other ranked gametypes. This game isn't very hard, I play solo qmtdm and average 2300 a game with a 3.8 k/d. Chances are "solo" players are only "solo" because no one wants to play with them.

Ill throw my opinion out there; K/D is a horrible indicator for skill if you randomly pulled the stats from all gears players. It might be a decent indicator if you compared stats of similar players, such as this guy with another competitive player, who also cares about stats.

Overall, its a bad indicator because there are people that take the game very serious and there are some that dont (myself included). my stats are meaningless because ill stay in rooms with people that are horrible, Ill play drunk or ill bounce around gametypes getting my ass handed to me just because im bored and want to try something different, but in the end, i'd say im a decent player when I actually try.

Even this discussion about stats, I dont care about. I just thought i'd shed a little light on what some people apparently take way too seriously and think everyone else does as well. And I know what some of you die hards are thinking, my stats arent as good as yours so im just a hater. Believe me, with my real life happening, I couldnt care less about my virtual pride in a video game. I just play to have fun

To the guy I qouted, sorry to pick you out, your post just hit on my opinion

[omymarshmellows]

Ill throw my opinion out there; K/D is a horrible indicator for skill if you randomly pulled the stats from all gears players. It might be a decent indicator if you compared stats of similar players, such as this guy with another competitive player, who also cares about stats.

Overall, its a bad indicator because there are people that take the game very serious and there are some that dont (myself included). my stats are meaningless because ill stay in rooms with people that are horrible, Ill play drunk or ill bounce around gametypes getting my ass handed to me just because im bored and want to try something different, but in the end, i'd say im a decent player when I actually try.

Even this discussion about stats, I dont care about. I just thought i'd shed a little light on what some people apparently take way too seriously and think everyone else does as well. And I know what some of you die hards are thinking, my stats arent as good as yours so im just a hater. Believe me, with my real life happening, I couldnt care less about my virtual pride in a video game. I just play to have fun

To the guy I qouted, sorry to pick you out, your post just hit on my opinion

interesting to compare ppl with similar stats. i've never really thought to compare two ppl with similar KD and WL ratios. and u r a good player when ur trying as i've just recently played with u lol but its fun when u don't care sometimes.

[MxPro239]

interesting to compare ppl with similar stats. i've never really thought to compare two ppl with similar KD and WL ratios. and u r a good player when ur trying as i've just recently played with u lol but its fun when u don't care sometimes.

Ha, thanks but I think uve got me covered.
And yea, a players desire to do well is just one of the things that should be taken into account out of many variables this game has, that are un-measurable. Just because it's a "statistic" doesn't mean it's taken everything into account

[d JonnY cL10 b]

Nice job using poor rational example people. I'm not Gunna argue with people that don't know 4 is greater than 3.

[123MAN]

Nice job using poor rational example people. I'm not Gunna argue with people that don't know 4 is greater than 3.

Yet 15 is greater than 10. So if I get 15 kills, whereas my opponent gets 10 my number is greater. Numbers mean jack. You know a good player when you play with them. Kills/Deaths only shows one number. 15/5 is 3.0 whereas 10/2 is 5.0. His K/D is higher, but my points per game is a lot higher.