Quickmatch vs Ranked Match

[quickwhips]

I think 5 man teams should be forced to play ranked games against other ranked teams. I mean I've seen some pretty skilled teams sticking with quickmatch why not push them to compete in ranked matches. The best way to do this would be to have it so if you had 5 members and you joined a quick game it would split them up into boths sides but if you joined ranked you would stay in on the same to compete. I like playing with my friends but I would also like to compete online and I think making quick match this way would benefit newer players from running into 5 man teams and also make the games more interesting instead of so one sided in quickmatch sometimes. I know opinions are like assholes so I'm sure not everyone will like this idea but tell me if you have had similar ideas or even betters ones to fix 5 man teams in quickmatches.

[omymarshmellows]

well when I have a five person team, the prob that I run into with ranked is playing with foreigners and having extreme lag issues. foreigners can only play ranked because quick match for them isn't viable and it seems that my connections seem to make me play with them all the time on ranked -_- it's sad when i put two body shots into a person and next thing i know, i've teleported half across the room somewhere else or I've frozen on a corner. what usually happens is that we play quick match then. i think they should make a ranked match system for foreigners outside the US but i'll most likely be called racist or some stupid **** for suggesting that. i just hate the lag so much and would love to play against anyone of any culture/nation as long as we eliminate that horrible connection but know it won't happen. so forced to play quick match *shrugs*

[RealAggressive]

If the team gets split up in QM they can still communicate through xbox live party so some might boost this way, will wont be fun for the other players.

[GloCkWiZe]

i feel u lag really does kill the match for me..its odd that one of the reasons becuase of it is due to foreigners? or do they just have bad connections?

[quickwhips]

If the team gets split up in QM they can still communicate through xbox live party so some might boost this way, will wont be fun for the other players.

That is a really good point. But that happens it all games right now if they are split up. I mean im sure people don't want to lose even to their friends.

[omymarshmellows]

oh u guys don't know? the servers immediately choose foreigners as host because well, they're foreigners and if they chose u as host over a foreigner, the foreigner would just immediately lag out and the lag might be even worse if the foreigner stays. it really makes me hate ranked matches sometimes.

[123MAN]

Host? If you are on P2P yes you will find a game in which a player is the host. But if you have all the DLC then you will find a server, which will be the host. There is a small chance that you will find a P2P match even with DLC, but this rarely happens to me at least.

[Gnashes]

Nothing to "fix". Epic has said multiple times that they'll never force anyone to play Ranked who doesn't want to.

Don't want to play a 5 man team in Quick? Leave.

[Painmaster212]

Nothing to "fix". Epic has said multiple times that they'll never force anyone to play Ranked who doesn't want to.

Don't want to play a 5 man team in Quick? Leave.

Thats very true but it is annoying that a group of 5 players would feel the need to go in quick match i mean i never have 4 other players that join me to go into quickmatch,if i get 4 other guys its usually cause it was setup party for ranked.

[A Lazy Theron]

Nothing to "fix". Epic has said multiple times that they'll never force anyone to play Ranked who doesn't want to.

Don't want to play a 5 man team in Quick? Leave.

And that's also the magic of Quick... you actually can leave with out losing experience...

[Absconderx]

And that's also the magic of Quick... you actually can leave with out losing experience...

Quitting mid match makes you lose your consecutive match bonus and have to build it back up again. So, you do lose experience.

[Blind Fired]

Quitting mid match makes you lose your consecutive match bonus and have to build it back up again. So, you do lose experience.

Then suck it up and finish the match. Then leave.

[Jim Tuna]

No no no no no. I do not want to be forced to play Ranked. Times between matches is too long.

[MongooseRawr]

Look at warzone. It doesn't even have enough people to start a match. Many people don't want to wait to find a match.

[MasterGuard08]

If I were to forced to play Ranked, I'd never play Gears 3 again. I prefer Quick matches because I like to get into a match, play a few, then leave and go about my day. I've had horrible experiences with Ranked matches due to people being jerks and throwing insults around like some drunken frat party.

[FA7AL!]

The best part about Quick match is that you get a constant stream of competition.

People leave, more people join .. they can be better or worse than you, it all varies which is what I like - variety.

I feel ranked is more for the super competitive, for those who only want to fight the best all the time.

Five people can play quick match and have it be all about fun, so why try and take that away from them?

[anahum]

Just include party restrictions. A party of 5 in social isn't so bad. You can just leave and let them have the time of their lives playing against 5 bots. Ranked is a terrible environment. I love Gears 3 overall, but play it very sparingly due to the lousy matchmaking system. Parties of 3 or more should only match other parties of 3 or more. Singles and parties of 2 should match each other. It's that simple. The game is fun but matchmaking completely turns me off.

We have ranked where I match full parties 4/5 games, and social where there is nothing to play for and bots everywhere. It's just not fun.

[Maaaaaz]

well when I have a five person team, the prob that I run into with ranked is playing with foreigners and having extreme lag issues. foreigners can only play ranked because quick match for them isn't viable and it seems that my connections seem to make me play with them all the time on ranked -_- it's sad when i put two body shots into a person and next thing i know, i've teleported half across the room somewhere else or I've frozen on a corner. what usually happens is that we play quick match then. i think they should make a ranked match system for foreigners outside the US but i'll most likely be called racist or some stupid **** for suggesting that. i just hate the lag so much and would love to play against anyone of any culture/nation as long as we eliminate that horrible connection but know it won't happen. so forced to play quick match *shrugs*

You do realise that you're a foreigner too, right?


on topic- I think any group of 3+should be forced to play ranked.

[LoD FENIX]

You do realise that you're a foreigner too, right?


on topic- I think any group of 3+should be forced to play ranked.

I personally find 4+ should be the ones "forced" into Ranked. I think 3 in QM isn't that bad.

[NFI]

I think 5 man teams should be forced to play ranked games against other ranked teams. I mean I've seen some pretty skilled teams sticking with quickmatch why not push them to compete in ranked matches.

Never going to happen because it makes no logical sense. Quick match is not a solo playlist, people not like ranked and shouldn't have to play it. Quick is more flexible and more efficient. Ppl can play what they want.

The best way to do this would be to have it so if you had 5 members and you joined a quick game it would split them up into boths sides but if you joined ranked you would stay in on the same to compete.

The best way is to leave it alone.

like playing with my friends but I would also like to compete online and I think making quick match this way would benefit newer players from running into 5 man teams and also make the games more interesting instead of so one sided in quickmatch sometimes.

People don't all think like you. Play your way, let others do as they wish. Upset your playing a team, players have the option to leave without penalty,

I know opinions are like assholes so I'm sure not everyone will like this idea but tell me if you have had similar ideas or even betters ones to fix 5 man teams in quickmatches.

These opinions are idle talk none of them are ever going to happen. Pete laughed the ideas off as ridiculous. It's fine as is.

You do realise that you're a foreigner too, right?

on topic- I think any group of 3+should be forced to play ranked.

No one should be "forced" to do anything, people this bothered by it have the option to stay or leave. Use it.

Quitting mid match makes you lose your consecutive match bonus and have to build it back up again. So, you do lose experience.

You dont lose experience, nothing is taken away from you. You get the match bonus reset. Not the same thing. Ranked quitting you lose experience.

[gearskings24]

quick matches should have no stats or exp since thats what most play for...its crazy when you have 4000 playing quick koth and 275 playing rank and tdm 10000 playing quick games and only 1200 playing rank..epic what the heck is going on?????????? and you have wayyyyyy to many playlist your dividing whats left of the community up ::smh:: unbelieveable.....

[123MAN]

quick matches should have no stats or exp since thats what most play for...its crazy when you have 4000 playing quick koth and 275 playing rank and tdm 10000 playing quick games and only 1200 playing rank..epic what the heck is going on?????????? and you have wayyyyyy to many playlist your dividing whats left of the community up ::smh:: unbelieveable.....

Quick is more desirable than Ranked. This was also the case on the Beta. More people played Public than Ranked.

[Neophoenix78]

quick matches should have no stats or exp since thats what most play for...its crazy when you have 4000 playing quick koth and 275 playing rank and tdm 10000 playing quick games and only 1200 playing rank..epic what the heck is going on?????????? and you have wayyyyyy to many playlist your dividing whats left of the community up ::smh:: unbelieveable.....

What if I said I agreed with you that there are way too many playlists, and that it is dividing what is left of the community? What if my idea was to cut out ranked matches. From what you have stated it seems the community wants QM more than ranked? Would you feel that is fair? I am of course not advocating this change at all. Dividing the community = different choices. I am sure you could get everyone into one playlist called GAME and just switch up modes and maps randomly. I am sure that would get more people to play. Definitely wouldn't lead to more people quitting matches and quitting playing the game.

See from what I have noticed the stream of players goes typically in one way. It goes from Ranked to QM. Now people who always play in ranked will never leave ranked. Then you have your people that are casual and never leave QM. Then you have your people that start off playing ranked and just end up running into the stereotypical immature gamer. They run into the modders, humpers, etc etc. Now they still exist in QM but not at the same statistic as in Ranked. So instead of playing the Win By Any Means group they abandoned ranked because of it. I have a hard time getting a full team together. And when I do it is a combination of people that always do not play together. Friends of friends etc etc. This makes playing together a pain in the ass at times. Alone we might all be good but since we are not used to each others strengths and weaknesses we do not make a great team. And when we do play QM I usually wish there was a Goldilocks sections. Ranked is too frustrating. Quick match is too easy... SOCIAL IS JUUUUUSTTT RIGHHTTT.

Instead of wondering why there are so many people playing in QM, people should wonder why people no longer want to play in ranked. Lopsided matchmaking does not help the situation at all. If that was fixed and it put you against people of a similar skill I am sure the numbers would go up.

Everyone does not play QM for stats or exp. I play it for fun. I play it because I can be competitive when I play solo and have a chance. I do not want to have to stick it out vs a 5 man team that only plays GOW3 with 2 bots because my teammates left and 2 people who should not be playing in ranked because they do not even have the bare minimum of mechanics down yet.

[Rhino1w]

And that's also the magic of Quick... you actually can leave with out losing experience...

yea no obligations if you only have a few minutes to get your gears fix in, plus when people quit you dont waste your time in a match too long because others join in.

so a 5 man team starts a match with 5 bots against them, it sucks that they boost until enough people join at once to compete but if its creating matches on gears, good hopefully more matches dont have that lag some speak of and keeps the audience for poor gears that could use some more players

[Rhino1w]

What if I said I agreed with you that there are way too many playlists, and that it is dividing what is left of the community? What if my idea was to cut out ranked matches. From what you have stated it seems the community wants QM more than ranked? Would you feel that is fair? I am of course not advocating this change at all. Dividing the community = different choices. I am sure you could get everyone into one playlist called GAME and just switch up modes and maps randomly. I am sure that would get more people to play. Definitely wouldn't lead to more people quitting matches and quitting playing the game.

See from what I have noticed the stream of players goes typically in one way. It goes from Ranked to QM. Now people who always play in ranked will never leave ranked. Then you have your people that are casual and never leave QM. Then you have your people that start off playing ranked and just end up running into the stereotypical immature gamer. They run into the modders, humpers, etc etc. Now they still exist in QM but not at the same statistic as in Ranked. So instead of playing the Win By Any Means group they abandoned ranked because of it. I have a hard time getting a full team together. And when I do it is a combination of people that always do not play together. Friends of friends etc etc. This makes playing together a pain in the ass at times. Alone we might all be good but since we are not used to each others strengths and weaknesses we do not make a great team. And when we do play QM I usually wish there was a Goldilocks sections. Ranked is too frustrating. Quick match is too easy... SOCIAL IS JUUUUUSTTT RIGHHTTT.

Instead of wondering why there are so many people playing in QM, people should wonder why people no longer want to play in ranked. Lopsided matchmaking does not help the situation at all. If that was fixed and it put you against people of a similar skill I am sure the numbers would go up.

Everyone does not play QM for stats or exp. I play it for fun. I play it because I can be competitive when I play solo and have a chance. I do not want to have to stick it out vs a 5 man team that only plays GOW3 with 2 bots because my teammates left and 2 people who should not be playing in ranked because they do not even have the bare minimum of mechanics down yet.

actually you are on a nice mindset, i mean call of duty has what? a casual list and a hardcore one (similar to halo normal playlist and mlg right? just in hardcore spawn is longer and u take less damage? its been a while) but the ranked matches are set up in COD like gears quickmatch

personally i use to hate joining cod matches at the end of a match and still having to wait but in gears i much rather prefer joining an already started match just because they run continuously and i dont have to go through all of ranked waiting time

[Deva_Pein]

Its not only 5 man teams fault though, some players dont realize.. Well heres an example..
Okie I have a party of 5..
TBA SavageSnipe..
TBA Scarface...
TBA LupineFangz...
TBA Laloisbeast...
TBA Tendo Sama (me)

Hey what ya wanna play guys..
Every one replies KothGnashers.. Ok..
Searching for a ranked match..
20 min later..
Seaching for a ranked match..
Press' b..
Goes to ranked warzone...
20 min later..
Still searching.. No players found..
Look at pop.. 2 players in this playlist...

Some times there arnt players playing ranked in certain playlists. I dont like TDM very much. and that doesnt matter, i might just not want to play it, if i cant find a ranked match in what i want, im playing quick, team of 5 or not. So how about players like you stop whining about teams of 5 or whatever, start playing ranked and increase the pop so team like mine have someone to go against..

[NFI]

quick matches should have no stats or exp since thats what most play for...its crazy when you have 4000 playing quick koth and 275 playing rank and tdm 10000 playing quick games and only 1200 playing rank..epic what the heck is going on?????????? and you have wayyyyyy to many playlist your dividing whats left of the community up ::smh:: unbelieveable.....

This makes no logical sense. Players who don't like ranked shouldn't be restricted from all the games bells and whistles. Ranked is called ranked because it pairs you up based on TS rank. You have no idea what most people "play for", and ranked players are no more important thn quick match players. Players ply what they like.

There is a reason this idea will never occur. As for "what's left of the community", this gears has the largest player base of ny gears to date.

[TheEnvironment]

"I'm having fun at someone else's expense. It's great."

People that run stacked teams in QM ruin it for the other players on Gears.

[Neophoenix78]

"I'm having fun at someone else's expense. It's great."

People that run stacked teams in QM ruin it for the other players on Gears.

People that run stacked teams in Ranked ruin it for others too. Just make the entire game stranded game mode. Everyone will be happy then. Then remove anything else in the game that ruins people's time. People who can wallbounce ruin it for those who cannot. Remove it. Just remove everything so at the start it says WINNER everywhere and we all get the Participant Ribbon. You only need 1 of those for the Participant Medal Onyx. And you only need that Onyx for Seriously 3.0.

[ChocolateBacon]

The point of Quick Match is to start matches as fast as possible, and leave without harming your stats. Let full teams play in Quick Match. Don't wanna play against them? Leave. You won't be punished for it.

No one should be forced to play Ranked; full team or not. I choose to play QM because I dislike waiting 2-5 minutes just to find a new game.

Pete laughs at the idea of having a party limit in Quick. Never gonna happen.

"I'm having fun at someone else's expense. It's great."

People that run stacked teams in QM ruin it for the other players on Gears.

You can leave the lobby.

Quitting mid match makes you lose your consecutive match bonus and have to build it back up again. So, you do lose experience.

No, you don't lose experience because you never had that experience. Losing experience would be -2000, etc.

You do realise that you're a foreigner too, right?


on topic- I think any group of 3+should be forced to play ranked.

No one should be forced to play Ranked.

And I hope you realize how hard it is for people in Europe to find a game. The only chance they have at finding a Ranked game is TDM, and that's still pretty hard.

[NP473L]

@Bacon Maaaaaaaaaaaaz is a European so he definitely understands xD



The thing with European Ranked is it's pretty much only parties. What needs to happen is a greater INCENTIVE to play Ranked over Quick, so the numbers will boost and it won't have such a bad reputation. Then, you'll have more players not from Stacked Teams, and a slightly less competitive atmosphere, because at the moment, every game is basically a 5v5 scrim. And please don't tell me that you earn more XP in Ranked. I'm sure if you played QM for two hours and RM for two hours, you'd have earned more experience in the first part of your session.

Dangle the carrot. Don't poke with a stick.

[ChocolateBacon]

@Bacon Maaaaaaaaaaaaz is a European so he definitely understands xD



The thing with European Ranked is it's pretty much only parties. What needs to happen is a greater INCENTIVE to play Ranked over Quick, so the numbers will boost and it won't have such a bad reputation. Then, you'll have more players not from Stacked Teams, and a slightly less competitive atmosphere, because at the moment, every game is basically a 5v5 scrim. And please don't tell me that you earn more XP in Ranked. I'm sure if you played QM for two hours and RM for two hours, you'd have earned more experience in the first part of your session.

Dangle the carrot. Don't poke with a stick.

Then really, he shouldn't be suggesting a party limit. He should know how hard it is to find a ranked game. Heck, even in Canada it's somewhat hard to find games. Sometimes taking 3+ minutes.

Party limits, never going to happen.

[NP473L]

Then really, he shouldn't be suggesting a party limit. He should know how hard it is to find a ranked game. Heck, even in Canada it's somewhat hard to find games. Sometimes taking 3+ minutes.

Party limits, never going to happen.

I agree. Before, I may have said that I want party limits, but I've changed to the 'incentivise rather than force' approach. The reason I think he's saying it is because we have the parties in Quick because they 'can't find games in Ranked'. If all parties were forced to play Ranked, it would be less difficult and True-Skill would have the chance to do its job, because at the moment, it just puts 10 people together because they're the only 10 people trying.

In Europe, the waiting times (when I'm playing in a 4 or 5 man party) are roughly:

1-2 minutes TDM
1-5 minutes Guardian
3-5 minutes Execution

Indefinite minutes other gamemodes. You could be lucky, but you're often not.

^That...is a huge problem. To be honest, it's been like that since November, and I really wish something would be done about it. Ranked is a massive step up from Quick, and really should be incentivised. I think XP earned should be significantly higher (or reduced heavily in Quick) to ensure that at least some of the population migrate.

More people in Ranked makes the whole experience less daunting, an one of the reasons people don't play it is 'fear'. I fear it myself sometimes on my own...and that shouldn't be the case. More people introduces more 'levels of ability and more levels of 'team' which would make it what Gears 2 Ranked was like, but hopefully, minus the waiting times.

It's too easy to 'be scared' of Ranked and just stomp all over the place in Quick. I know because I've done it on occasion. Not because I want to either. But I can't play KoTH any more, because I normally have a 3 man minimum, and we never (literally, I haven't played one) played a Ranked KoTH, despite trying numerous times, and when we inevitably win a Quick Match, it very quickly turns into bot farming with a maximum of two humans on the enemy team. It's frustrating as heck. Then, a party of 5 Frenchman come in, and if we beat them, they'll insta-leave. I literally cannot play KoTH any more.

And when I finally am solo, all I ever come across these days are 4+ man parties in QM KoTH, to which I am the only person to stick around when we inevitably lose. And to cap it all off, I get a few useless teammates, and Coleyman joins their team.

I was like, thanks game...thanks

/super cool story.

[Solid_Gear]

Lol ^. It is not fear that stops me playing Ranked, it's just not worth stress or aggro playing against a 5 player team, i'd quit quick match if there was a 5 player team. I want to have fun and happy times not sit there and play people camping it out, thinking they are the shizz coz they have 4 friends to watch their back and call out your every movement.

[NP473L]

Lol ^. It is not fear that stops me playing Ranked, it's just not worth stress or aggro playing against a 5 player team, i'd quit quick match if there was a 5 player team. I want to have fun and happy times not sit there and play people camping it out, thinking they are the shizz coz they have 4 friends to watch their back and call out your every movement.

Lol ^.

First of all, I wasn't singling anybody out. As much as no-one would openly admit, it is often the case.

What you have described is why I don't play solo Ranked, and I would say that's 'fear' of a particular type of match before you've even played it. You don't play Ranked because you know what it entails, and you would rather not do it. That's exactly what I was describing. A change is necessary to eradicate that, and ensure a level, less competitive feel when playing Ranked.

Think Donnie Darko, it's either Fear or Love, and if you ain't lovin', it's a product of fear.

I apologise if 'fear' was too harsh a word, but you know what I mean.

[TheEnvironment]

You can leave the lobby.

I don't. I look for another lobby.
Those eager noobies who play and get discouraged from playing gears because of those bad experiences.

[NFI]

"I'm having fun at someone else's expense. It's great."

People that run stacked teams in QM ruin it for the other players on Gears.

So conversely me and my friends shouldn't have fun because you have no one to play with. Broken logic.

You have the option to leave without penalty, use it. Or find people to play with. However no one is ever going to be forced into a playlist.

[LoD FENIX]

So conversely me and my friends shouldn't have fun because you have no one to play with. Broken logic.

You have the option to leave without penalty, use it.

Off topic: I have room on my friends list, feel free to add me when you have a chance. I would pmed you but your inbox is full lol.

[NP473L]

So conversely me and my friends shouldn't have fun because you have no one to play with. Broken logic.

You have the option to leave without penalty, use it. Or find people to play with. However no one is ever going to be forced into a playlist.

Now, I'm not trolling, but I see broken logic here too.

You're saying that you're pretty much forced to leave the lobby or forced to find friends in order to have fun in a particular lobby. That situation should never arise in the first place. Obviously my opinion again.

[Neophoenix78]

Now, I'm not trolling, but I see broken logic here too.

You're saying that you're pretty much forced to leave the lobby or forced to find friends in order to have fun in a particular lobby. That situation should never arise in the first place. Obviously my opinion again.

Why is it always restrict the other team instead of me building up my team? Those guys over there have what I don't... so do something about them over there. Playing competitive multiplayer games alone and having a horrible time is not a new concept. That is why the two game modes that have the highest traffic in them have a stranded mode. What have a friend? There is wingman and BTT.

I just think it is funny that people think the idea of limiting teams in a team based game is a good idea. Here is a strange concept. The game is meant to be played with 5 people you know. But since that cannot happen all the time the game compensates and creates these teams for you.

You are not forced to leave the game, find friends, or complete the game in QM. These are options however. Options that are not there in ranked. So yea when I play alone I take my beating when a team joins. If my teammates for the next match actually know how to play, have mics, or actually stay the next match I will stay. However if they bolt and I am left with people who are clueless I leave. Oh well. I wouldn't want to take anything away from that other team because they have sometime I do not at the time. That would be selfish. There will always be haves and have-nots. Unless you want online multiplayer to be socialist.

In all honesty the issue is the matchmaking and the community. Matchmaking in ranked blows. Why does my team with an average of 1.3 kdr or wl go up against the 1.8s and up? We shouldn't. I would much rather wait. We used to wait a long time in GOW in ranked matches. Had so much fun changing the faces of the characters quickly so it looked like they were moving. Fix that first.

Then the community. I have seen multiple QM where there are 10 randoms in the match. At the end a lot of the losing team leaves. I check their GT. All on different QM in the same gametype. People do not like losing. Once this happens they leave. Instead of the 10 people being sorted out on different teams because there are no squads playing in that game they leave. And if they leave after the last game ends then the next team they were on will be lopsided as well. Instead of mixing up the lobby they leave to go find people they can beat.