Does anyone else think RAAM's Shadow was better than the retail campaign?

[LilDeadBoy23]

I love RAAM's Shadow, because I definitely wanted a taste of a fight ON E-Day.

Now in my opinion, I think a lot of people like RS a lot because it had that Gears 1 feel. The return of the Berserker, the feeling of being on foot in a warzone filled city, and in my opinion Minh and RAAM helped transition the the experience to Gears of War 1.

But saying that, I liked the regular campaign and the DLC equally. Both gave me this fulfilling story that I enjoyed and will eventually replay both again and again.

The only thing that bugged me about RAAM's Shadow is the Gears 2-3 enemies. It's a nit pick I know and of course it has a real world explanation (not invented yet) but still. Just my perspective. Also, why did Jace have a different voice actor? I didn't think he was that young compared to the Jace in Gears 3. Lol, just weird that Jace now has three different voice actors.

[Gearslover01]

I love RAAM's Shadow, because I definitely wanted a taste of a fight ON E-Day.

Now in my opinion, I think a lot of people like RS a lot because it had that Gears 1 feel. The return of the Berserker, the feeling of being on foot in a warzone filled city, and in my opinion Minh and RAAM helped transition the the experience to Gears of War 1.

But saying that, I liked the regular campaign and the DLC equally. Both gave me this fulfilling story that I enjoyed and will eventually replay both again and again.

The only thing that bugged me about RAAM's Shadow is the Gears 2-3 enemies. It's a nit pick I know and of course it has a real world explanation (not invented yet) but still. Just my perspective. Also, why did Jace have a different voice actor? I didn't think he was that young compared to the Jace in Gears 3. Lol, just weird that Jace now has three different voice actors.

BTW the thing 'Shortly after E-day' is a mistake. RAAM's Shadow is around 9-10 years after E-Day

[Zubi Fett]

I did faint Raam Shadow to be a joke some times...it was too ridicules how a COG with a helmet does not last more than 5 seconds..example: THE COG soldier gets out of a car, he's only out 3 seconds...BAN HEADSHOT...THEN the entire Zeta team is on the middle of the street with NO COVER, just there like for 20 seconds and not even a bullet hit them...and most of the DLC like that, i did faint it too ridicules.

I know same happened in GoW 3 sometimes and other games, but not so being so obvious like in this DLC.

PD: Nice message this game have for bikers :P

[DarkNinja]

I did faint Raam Shadow to be a joke some times...it was too ridicules how a COG with a helmet does not last more than 5 seconds..example: THE COG soldier gets out of a car, he's only out 3 seconds...BAN HEADSHOT...THEN the entire Zeta team is on the middle of the street with NO COVER, just there like for 20 seconds and not even a bullet hit them...and most of the DLC like that, i did faint it too ridicules.

I know same happened in GoW 3 sometimes and other games, but not so being so obvious like in this DLC.

PD: Nice message this game have for bikers :P

It is like that almost in every single player game. Even movies.

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

I did faint Raam Shadow to be a joke some times...it was too ridicules how a COG with a helmet does not last more than 5 seconds..example: THE COG soldier gets out of a car, he's only out 3 seconds...BAN HEADSHOT...THEN the entire Zeta team is on the middle of the street with NO COVER, just there like for 20 seconds and not even a bullet hit them...and most of the DLC like that, i did faint it too ridicules.

I know same happened in GoW 3 sometimes and other games, but not so being so obvious like in this DLC.

PD: Nice message this game have for bikers :P

After that COG gear got shot in the head, EVERYONE (except Kim, because he wasn't that close to any cover really.) took cover.
I agree Kim, did have a chance to die, but didn't do to Canon issues. (Because he didn't go to cover.)

[Zubi Fett]

It is like that almost in every single player game. Even movies.

As i sad on the end: In NONE of them is SOOO obvious, for example Mass Effect. YOu survive to things that if you think for a minute you will be like...wait, thats almost impossible, but you don't think about it because is WELL put, and way it happens you don't think about it, in Raam Shadows is all so obvious and repetitive, a guy with a helmet appears? give him 2 second, won't be there any more, and the way they survive to the "odd" situations is bad put, making too obvious the "How the **** are they not dying?". Is all too obvious and ridicules, in other games they work to make it believable, even if for real will be nearly impossible, but they put it in a way that its not obvious, now, on Raam shadows tell me how its not obvious when they are with no cover in a bullets rain not moving and no bullet hits them, but before 4 guys with helmets get direct head shots in 5 seconds. And the game is full of these scenes.

I wish they would have done that better, it did kind of break my experience.

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

As i sad on the end: In NONE of them is SOOO obvious, for example Mass Effect. YOu survive to things that if you think for a minute you will be like...wait, thats almost impossible, but you don't think about it because is WELL put, and way it happens you don't think about it, in Raam Shadows is all so obvious and repetitive, a guy with a helmet appears? give him 2 second, won't be there any more, and the way they survive to the "odd" situations is bad put, making too obvious the "How the **** are they not dying?". Is all too obvious and ridicules, in other games they work to make it believable, even if for real will be nearly impossible, but they put it in a way that its not obvious, now, on Raam shadows tell me how its not obvious when they are with no cover in a bullets rain not moving and no bullet hits them, but before 4 guys with helmets get direct head shots in 5 seconds. And the game is full of these scenes.

I wish they would have done that better, it did kind of break my experience.

I actually agree with you about the Helmet part.

Just to back it up, there is a model of Valera of which she has a helmet on instead of her actual Head model.
(She was introduced then killed, like most redshirts.)

[Zubi Fett]

I actually agree with you about the Helmet part.

Just to back it up, there is a model of Valera of which she has a helmet on instead of her actual Head model.
(She was introduced then killed, like most redshirts.)

I know, i have seen it, she did look a lot like an Onyx guard in that one(another ones bad put in the game, they are support to be the ELITE, and the little you see of them...). I prefer the final Valera design, tho i agree with the discussion that there should be a female COG/Onyx guard for the multiplayer, to be more fair with female players.

To finish, like a joke: If you ride a motorbike in the Gears of War universe, wearing a helmet will be the last thing you wanna do.

[NFI]

I did faint Raam Shadow to be a joke some times...it was too ridicules how a COG with a helmet does not last more than 5 seconds..example: THE COG soldier gets out of a car, he's only out 3 seconds...BAN HEADSHOT...THEN the entire Zeta team is on the middle of the street with NO COVER, just there like for 20 seconds and not even a bullet hit them...and most of the DLC like that, i did faint it too ridicules.

I know same happened in GoW 3 sometimes and other games, but not so being so obvious like in this DLC.

PD: Nice message this game have for bikers :P

They always said te helmet makes it hard to see sniper. Besides carmine was saved by his!

[ChocolateBacon]

I did faint Raam Shadow to be a joke some times...it was too ridicules how a COG with a helmet does not last more than 5 seconds..example: THE COG soldier gets out of a car, he's only out 3 seconds...BAN HEADSHOT...THEN the entire Zeta team is on the middle of the street with NO COVER, just there like for 20 seconds and not even a bullet hit them...and most of the DLC like that, i did faint it too ridicules.

I know same happened in GoW 3 sometimes and other games, but not so being so obvious like in this DLC.

PD: Nice message this game have for bikers :P

This happens in every game.

Gears 2 was highly guility of this.

You and one other guy are able to walk into the Locust palace, kill everything in your way with ease, walk out without a scratch, and then kill the Locust General.

The only time this happened in Gears 3 was at Azura, and maybe the sub base.

[Bazinga-A7X]

I liked them both about equally. In RAAM's Shadow, I liked the return of the emergence holes. Disagree about the gritty feel though. The gritty feel came in as the story went along, at first everything feels clean and new. Playing as RAAM or one of the Locust Elite felt gimmicky for me, and this was due to the relatively short time you played as them, as well as the play space felt confined and cluttered. The combo made it feel like it was a late introduction into the DLC story.

[General.Raam]

Raam's Shadow was great but I didn't like the continuity flaws. Bloodmounts & Grinders, One-shots & Semi-auto Hammerbursts. Grr!

[GnasherUsingKantus]

Well, It gives locust play ability something that hasn't been done before it was executed very nicely.
You just can't match that with blowing the eyes out of a giant Leviathan.

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

I liked them both about equally. In RAAM's Shadow, I liked the return of the emergence holes. Disagree about the gritty feel though. The gritty feel came in as the story went along, at first everything feels clean and new. Playing as RAAM or one of the Locust Elite felt gimmicky for me, and this was due to the relatively short time you played as them, as well as the play space felt confined and cluttered. The combo made it feel like it was a late introduction into the DLC story.

EPIC making RAAM and Theron Elite etc. playable was last minute.

Which may explain why it was so lack luster for some people.

[Locust_Forever]

RAAM's Shadow had the perfect environment, atmosphere and darkness that was so distinctive in Gears 1. Gears 3 campaign seemed to be you were all over the place, one minute you're here, the next you're here, the story didn't flow smoothly or very well tbh. The environments are too bright and colourful, not suitable for the Gears universe. I still believe that Gears 3 has the worst campaign of the trilogy. Multiplayer is the best of the series though.

Agreed. It was also missing those huge wtf moments from gears 2. It wasnt bad, just gow3 lacked that extra something.

[Zubi Fett]

Its just that is summer :P thats WHY!!!

[GuestForeverX]

because of the E-Holes and playing as the locust. + Playing as Actual Size and Power RAAM. My Fav Character =D

[III HOOP III]

RAAMs shadow was EXCELLENT. I would love more DLC or even another full game like it. It was very well done IMO, and it was VERY awesome to play as RAAM.

[Valafar123]

It was better. It felt like a weird synthesis of GoW1 and GoW3's campaign. 4 player coop spoiled it for me though. It also needed more horror and a monochrome filter.

[Cgusmc]

Yes although gears 3 was an excellent campaign in my opinion, I do feel as if it was too vibrant as well. The dark colors of gears 1 really gave it a feel of dread and hopelessness and RAAM's shadow did a good job of trying to bring that back

[TheGnasherBeast]

yea Gears 3 Campaign was definitely better, really enjoyed the main campaign, Raam's Shadow was good, but Campaign was better

[Clone Recon]

I actually enjoyed raams shadow a little more. But i did love the retail campaign. the thing that got me with raams shadow to like it a little better is it really felt like it could have been gears 1. Did anyone else feel like that? The whole time i was playing raams shadow i felt like a was playing gears 1.

[Spleege]

I have a feeling that Epic were very conservative when allocating disk space for the campaign. There are a lot of backgrounds and textures within the campaign that really were substandard in my opinion. In R'sS I feel they had a lot more space to play with, so they could add nicer scenery and improve the textures.

[1rate]

Thought RS was ultra short, maybe im tripping tho...

[John Matrix]

It was better. It felt like a weird synthesis of GoW1 and GoW3's campaign. 4 player coop spoiled it for me though. It also needed more horror and a monochrome filter.

If they ever do an Emergence Day game, I hope the Gears 1 monochrome look comes back.

[Daddy Crash]

No, They both were great!

[dude527]

Like main campaign much better, clearly had more effort put in IMO. Keep in mind, though, that I'm a huge Gears nut - I've read all of the deeper lore, I got my wings in Gears 2, played the crap out of Gears 1 (would have had Seriously ... if not for the glitched kill count achieves), etc, etc. So I was super pumped for Gears 3. I reread all of the novels, I bought the Epic Edition, and I went to midnight release. So naturally, I was flipping a tit while playing through that monster, stroking my ultra-epic Marcus statue at every loading screen and cutscene. So for me, it was better mostly because it was the conclusion of a tale that's a bigger whole.

Additionally, I felt RAAM's Shadow would have been better as Gears 1 DLC. There are a lot of continuity niggles in it that I disliked, to be frank. For example, a lot of the Locust still use the Retro Lancer in RAAM's Shadow, for some reason. They're not desperate, not struggling to survive, but they still have that nomad culture feel the Locust adopted in Gears 3. It doesn't mesh with the DLC's placement in the universe.

Don't get me wrong, though - RAAM's Shadow is still a great DLC. I thought it was far superior visually, I thought it was fun to play, I found Zeta to be an interesting enough squad, I really really loved the return of RAAM (by far he is THE reason to purchase the pack), I liked the idea of the Kryllstorm and the return of the Kryll, and I loved the return to Destroyed Beauty. All-in-all, good DLC, but I simply feel that the main campaign is better for multiple reasons, like cohesiveness, closure, setting, etc.

If I wasn't a fan of the deeper lore, I would probably have appreciated RAAM's Shadow much more.

[The Elite Elite]

I do enjoy RAAM's Shadow better than the main campaign, but I really like the main campaign as well. I think one of the main reasons I really like RAAM's Shadow, is because I always really liked RAAM. He was a very cool and tough boss in Gears 1, and it was great getting to play as him. I also liked that it had the Gears 1 feel to it. The threat of Kryll coming with the dark and closing emergence holes while taking orders from Lt. Kim. It was pretty nice.

[bunneeHOP]

I liked both, but playing as RAAM or his sidekicks were truly kick @ss! Playing COG and Locust perspectives kinda gives you a wider view in the GOW universe. Just sayin...