Rigger/animator needed

[slaughterdj]

Hey, I am looking for a character rigger/animator for a current work in progress. The main character (already modeled) needs some animations as well as some clothing. Am looking for some full time riggers/animators however I am willing to exchange audio assets (SFX,Dialogue,Music) for a fair amount of work. Great for any demo reel or portfolio! Send me an email or message if you are interested.

email: slaughterdj@hotmail.com

[Saishy]

Free job, no images, no project name or backup, no detailed description of work.
2/10 would not do it.

[juguefre]

Free job, no images, no project name or backup, no detailed description of work.
2/10 would not do it.

Are you mentally challenged? he clearly state "exchange audio assets" for the work he's asking.

[Saishy]

Are you mentally challenged? he clearly state "exchange audio assets" for the work he's asking.

Sorry my bad, of course adding audio assets clearly remove all of the thread's failure.
End of session.

Here, let me treat you to some drinks so we can chill out.
Would you know any bar that accepts audio assets as payment?

[juguefre]

Sorry my bad, of course adding audio assets clearly remove all of the thread's failure.
End of session.

Here, let me threat you to some drinks so we can chill out.
Would you know any bar that accepts audio assets as payment?

OH no please accept my apologies I didn't know this was an employment agency, I had the impression this site was a forum related to gamedev where people can be on the look for game dev related content like scripts, SOUND ASSETS, 3d models, textures, etc. But clearly I was wrong.

[slaughterdj]

Sorry my bad, of course adding audio assets clearly remove all of the thread's failure.
End of session.

Here, let me threat you to some drinks so we can chill out.
Would you know any bar that accepts audio assets as payment?

Saishy, as jugufre states, I am not looking to gain without giving. As clever as you are for stating that someone could not trade audio for alcohol, this is in fact a game developer's forum, where people are posting positions they need filled, as well as assets that they require. Obviously (as this post demonstrates) I am lacking in artists, in fact, the characters that I am using in my game are characters that I purchased, hence, no concept art. I am doing this project for a demo reel/portfolio so of course it is free. I did not ask for any lifetime commitments on this project. I am simply asking for a rigger/animator who is interested in gaining experience/portfolio work or potentially some assets. Brief, undescriptive posting. Got it. Partially because I don't have a lot to show, and partially because I am very protective of my storyline, and a lot of my gameplay elements are not set in stone, as I am still working on their functionality. Regardless, none of this even matters, if you don't like my post, move on.

[Saishy]

Saishy, as jugufre states, I am not looking to gain without giving. As clever as you are for stating that someone could not trade audio for alcohol, this is in fact a game developer's forum, where people are posting positions they need filled, as well as assets that they require. Obviously (as this post demonstrates) I am lacking in artists, in fact, the characters that I am using in my game are characters that I purchased, hence, no concept art. I am doing this project for a demo reel/portfolio so of course it is free. I did not ask for any lifetime commitments on this project. I am simply asking for a rigger/animator who is interested in gaining experience/portfolio work or potentially some assets. Brief, undescriptive posting. Got it. Partially because I don't have a lot to show, and partially because I am very protective of my storyline, and a lot of my gameplay elements are not set in stone, as I am still working on their functionality. Regardless, none of this even matters, if you don't like my post, move on.

My apologies for your broken Enter key.

[juguefre]

Are you mentally challenged?

My apologizes for your broken Enter key.

Confirmed!

[Saishy]

If you ever feel like your thread could use some improvement, like some line breaks, points and information give me a call.
As a free tip I can tell that you ain't going far being so protective of your ideas, nobody going to steal it. There should be a site around that you can find on google by searching "Why Your Game Idea Sucks" that you should read. There is also a thread about how to make threads here that you should read.

And as a bonus you get this lovely thread that will surely entertain anyone that tries to read it! Thanks juguefre for going along with it.

[juguefre]

If you ever feel like your thread could use some improvement, like some line breaks, points and information give me a call.
As a free tip I can tell that you ain't going far being so protective of your ideas, nobody going to steal it. There should be a site around that you can find on google by searching "Why Your Game Idea Sucks" that you should read. There is also a thread about how to make threads here that you should read.

And as a bonus you get this lovely thread that will surely entertain anyone that tries to read it! Thanks juguefre for going along with it.

Oh no once again thanks to you for being today's forum clown, you tried to bash someone and just put yourself in a ridiculous position. And please keep trying I want to see what else can you come up with.

[Saishy]

Oh no once again thanks to you for being today's forum clown, you tried to bash someone and just put yourself in a ridiculous position. And please keep trying I want to see what else can you come up with.

Should I state that wasn't me who received a bunch of helpful critique to their work and then immediately went into full "defensive children" mode and started a rain of ad hominem?

You two don't accept change, critique and are not open to show your ideas out of a irrational fear of having them stolen. Yes, of course someone will expend their precious time and money on someone else work!

Worry not, some days later when you calm yourself down and open your guard you will be able to see what was wrong and change it for the better.
Or not...

[juguefre]

Should I state that wasn't me who received a bunch of helpful critique to their work and then immediately went into full "defensive children" mode and started a rain of ad hominem?

Really? where's the constructive part here?

Free job, no images, no project name or backup, no detailed description of work.
2/10 would not do it.

is the "would not do it"?

You two don't accept change, critique and are not open to show your ideas out of a irrational fear of having them stolen. Yes, of course someone will expend their precious time and money on someone else work!

Really? an exchange of work need both projects to be fully reviewed by the other part making the exchange!? man you are hilarious. keep it coming.

[slaughterdj]

If you ever feel like your thread could use some improvement, like some line breaks, points and information give me a call.
As a free tip I can tell that you ain't going far being so protective of your ideas, nobody going to steal it. There should be a site around that you can find on google by searching "Why Your Game Idea Sucks" that you should read. There is also a thread about how to make threads here that you should read.

And as a bonus you get this lovely thread that will surely entertain anyone that tries to read it! Thanks juguefre for going along with it.

Hahaha! You never know when someone's going to try to steal something off of this forum! After all, there are people on here who have nothing better to do then to bash the effectiveness of a recruitment thread in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their lonely ass pathetic lives that makes them cry to sleep at night.

ENTER

Was that a better post, Saishy? I could really use your opinion!

[Saishy]

Hahaha! You never know when someone's going to try to steal something off of this forum! After all, there are people on here who have nothing better to do then to bash the effectiveness of a recruitment thread in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their lonely ass pathetic lives that makes them cry to sleep at night.

ENTER

Was that a better post, Saishy? I could really use your opinion!

Yes, it is much easier to read when it actually have paragraphs.


And don't worry nobody is ever going to steal your idea. Why? Well how much time and money do you think it takes to create a game? It don't matter if "money" is in it's pure form or converted into work, you are still saying someone is going to expend something like a year or more of their life doing someone else idea.
It is the same reason why it's hard to find people to work at your game, each person have their own idea, their own dream, their own game they wanna do. It is just ridiculous to suppose someone is going to work hard on something it's not their to begin, and for no compensation!

"But company X stole Y's idea!" Well you see, you are probably mistaken on your designation of "idea". They stole the "implementation", not the idea. Ideas don't have values, you can't sell them or do anything with them. But implementation, or the actual work, is something you can get a understanding or grisp of it.
Like, in Skyrim you can walk around and gather minerals, catch butterly, w/e. There are many people who love to do that and expend endless hours gathering, but if I told you about this fantastic game where you gather butterfly and mine all the day I guess you wouldn't be so interested to play at all, right?

I will be sincere, nobody in the game industry have any idea of what they are doing at all. You can see billionaire projects failing on the hands of big company like Square Enix, NCSoft, etc. Just look at Final Fantasy XIV, just look at it for god's sake.
So nobody is going to try to steal an idea they can't be even damn sure it will work! If billions are wasted on a game that fails, why would they try to steal an idea that was not even tested to begin with?

Once your game wins, then you might have a problem with people stealing your ideas. But so what? You're already ahead! Winning! Just do a different game with the money and profit even more, everyone will be one step behind.

As Daigo Umehara said, "The ability to develop a new idea is far more important than the idea developed."

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About the improving of the thread I already told, in it's ironic form or not, how to fix it.

Like:

Really? where's the constructive part here?

Free job, no images, no project name or backup, no detailed description of work.
2/10 would not do it.

is the "would not do it"?

When I read this before I couldn't even bring myself to answer, it was just... so pitiful.

But I see you are much more open to criticism than him, so I will help here.
Yes, that is the constructive part.

1- The job have no money compensation: Yes, you are exchanging "assets" but so what? You are actually narrowing your possibilities of getting someone to only riggers / animators who would work for audio assets. And do you know how many of there are at all? On Epic Games forum?
Yeah, you can kinda get it.

2- No Images: You are trying to get someone to work for you. You are trying to convince someone that your project is worth enough to have them expend their time (which can't be bought back, no matter how much money you throw at the sky) on your project.
So why not make it more attractive? Imagine an amusement park, the best one you could ever imagine, bigger and better than Disney itself. And its localized behind a series of mountains and the only entrance is a run down gas station in the middle of the desert.
Chances are nobody will ever find or enter it at all, you could actually get more people to enter your park if your entrance was big, colorful, beautiful, and the park itself was just 'ok'.

3- No project name or backup: You don't have a big name or someone funding you. Nobody knows who you are, so make noise! Get funky! Talk, explain, pretend you are the king here and if those people don't want to work for you it's their loss, not yours! THROW THOSE DAMN LEMONS BACK AT LIFE.

4- No detailed description of work: You are even making it harder on someone to work at your project, now besides reading your post and deciding if they want to make this deal or not, they don't even know if they can make it! They would have to message you to get information of what is that about at all, then decide if they have the necessary know how to do it.
Why make it harder on the other part, you should help them and not make it even more difficult! Come'on, you are just going to lose people who aren't sure if they can or are interested in doing it or not.

Really? an exchange of work need both projects to be fully reviewed by the other part making the exchange!? man you are hilarious. keep it coming.

This is... just... I'm sorry for you, sorry... *Puts hand on your shoulder*
You can do it man, I believe you. *Go away crying*


This thread was similar to yours before I lent my help to the guy: http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/...mator-Required
While not the best thread you will ever see on your life, I think it's a great improvement from a small wall of text abandoned on the forum.

And see, I'm not a great writer myself but it wasn't so difficult to read this post at all was it?
The way your write is much more important than the information itself.

[juguefre]

Now where does the post say "Please self proclaimed post making specialist show me how to make one"???????

[slaughterdj]

I will be sincere, nobody in the game industry have any idea of what they are doing at all. You can see billionaire projects failing on the hands of big company like Square Enix, NCSoft, etc. Just look at Final Fantasy XIV, just look at it for god's sake.
So nobody is going to try to steal an idea they can't be even damn sure it will work! If billions are wasted on a game that fails, why would they try to steal an idea that was not even tested to begin with?

Once your game wins, then you might have a problem with people stealing your ideas. But so what? You're already ahead! Winning! Just do a different game with the money and profit even more, everyone will be one step behind.

As Daigo Umehara said, "The ability to develop a new idea is far more important than the idea developed."

I completely agree with you, however I am not worried about people stealing my concept or any gameplay elements, I am protective of the storyline itself. Look at movies, television, games, and even books today, they are all the same same same story even so much so that they just outright do movie remakes all over the place. Unique storylines are hard to come by and I think mine is pretty damn good and unique. You don't have to start a game from scratch or spend millions of dollars altering a game to steal the storyline, just replace character A with character B, time period x with time period y, and so forth.

And if being constructive and helping people really is your goal then start by doing that in the first place. Your points on improving the post make sense. I know I'm not, and I really doubt you were looking to start a stupid ass pointless fight. Let's just leave it at: We both have our own goals, and despite the fact that they may conflict, we will both worry about ourselves, our own projects, and our own lives!

Thanks