We Should All Stop Killstealing

[Z_Ethan]

joke ribbon ? yeah poke fun at a legitimate complaint, good job in the public relations department?

Legitimate? It's not game-breaking and if it is solely to blame for you not enjoying the game then that's your problem. I would guess it's not solely to blame for your dissatisfaction if any with the game, so just learn to live with it. I have kills stolen all the time, yet I still finish positive and often with at least a 2.0 k/d each match.

[TAO Devil]

joke ribbon ? yeah poke fun at a legitimate complaint, good job in the public relations department?

It's been a non-issue for them since Gears 1. It will never be changed. There is no such thing as kill-stealing.

There are no "complaints". There are whiners.

[Z_Ethan]

There are no "complaints". There are whiners.

A man after my own heart.

[bronx bomber]

Hey I've learned to "live" with it
my opinion isn't any less "legitimate" then anyone's here just putting in my .02
good day

[ManicRaider]

Or I can have all the point and the kills by getting my down

What you said has no validity

Don't use words you don't know the definition of. The more points you have the quicker you level up. I believe that is a valid reason to put points over kills.

[allcitychessclub13]

It's been a non-issue for them since Gears 1. It will never be changed. There is no such thing as kill-stealing.

There are no "complaints". There are whiners.

As much as i agree with kill stealing not being an issue some compliants are legit. So saying their are only complainers is just ignorant.

[DarkNinja]

Oh.... how I wish it was that easy.

[TAO Devil]

As much as i agree with kill stealing not being an issue some compliants are legit. So saying their are only complainers is just ignorant.

I should clarify. Complaints about "Kill Stealing" are not legitimate. Doesn't exist = Not legitimate.

[A CANADIAN]

Yeah scrub players steal kills. It is what it is. Back in Gears 1 this wasn't an issue. People had integrity and class. Gears 2 came out and kill-stealing came about in full force. Very sad. I wish it would go away too. Funny thing is when they steal my kills I will follow them relentlessly and take theirs. Then they will melee at me and be pissed. LOL. Yeah okay. SO it's a one-way street eh. I don't think so. At least when playing with friends it don't happen too much. That's a good thing.

[-Raven-]

Thats just one sample OP. People steal kills for all sorts of reasons. Most being:

• Getting back at the entire team because one team member stole a kill earlier in the match
• Too newby to know any better
• Too nooby to care
• Plain old sh*tbag of a person

As for if I do it, the answer is yes. However I only do it under 2 scenarios, when the person is about to stand up and more often, by pure accident. But I always TRY to give back the kills I steal. Im not always successful in that but I try even at the cost of my life in a no-respawn situation.

Kill Stealing isn't an issue.

Well thats BS if Ive ever heard it.

[LambentHammerburst]

joke ribbon ? yeah poke fun at a legitimate complaint, good job in the public relations department?

Hardly a legitimate complaint. The one who downed him gets the most points. A kill is 10pts - nothing more. You can be #1 in the game and have ZERO kills easily. Done various times myself.
Just because many have a "complaint" doesn't mean it's legitimate.
Does "kill stealing" increase flow of the game? Yes - otherwise we will have everyone standing around downs slowing the game down.
Is the one who downed the player greatly rewarded? Yes - they get the vast majority of the points. The will get 100pts if they did all the damage. The "theif" gets 10 (really worth it eh?)
Does "kill stealing" effect gameplay (as in make things unbalanced, OP ect)? No, makes zero changes.

Now if players were given the full points total for the kill - yes I would 100% agree. However they get basically none.

Here's another example why it should be fine.
I dealt 90% damage on a guy, he turns a corner and a teammate shoots him once with the Snub and downs him.
Who REALLY deserves the kill? Me. I did basically all the damage.

So changing it would make it so we have more players camping back and just taking potshots on players heavily weakened by their teammates - NO THANKS. That would result in the gameplay becoming unbearably slow.

[RealAggressive]

Whoever killed him "killed him" so they get the point kill. Try taking your kill asap dont try to execute, just keep shooting him. Unless all your downs="kills" all stolen everytime then its not a problem.

[TheEnvironment]

I was the only person shooting a guy, and a "teammate"(I use the term loosely), runs up and shoots him once taking the kill he put no effort into getting.


It is always the hypothetical situations people try to bring up.
My favorite! "Well he downed him from the moon, and couldn't get close in time to take the kill.
He was going to kill me! He was crawling so fast, if it was you, you would have done the same thing!"

^ These examples are amazing, because it never happens like that. I do all the work for that down, and am about to execute then a "teammate" runs up and takes the kill.

[l TormentZ]

I downed somebody with the lancer; kill got stolen.
I send a message asking him why he stole my kill, he replies with: why do u?
I send back that i never kill steal and he replies with yeah u do, so whats up with that anyway?
The reason that people steal kills is not just due to the large amount of grubs but also because we (most) gearheads adapted to it.
Im getting to this point because im sure of the fact that the guy who stole my kill was a gears vet.

Kill stealing isn't an issue unless there's NO need for it.

I you down someone from across the map and there's other players going for a revive I'll finish him off......quicker they die, the faster we win.

Only the last down and downs with no-one around should be left alone.....if you get pushed by 2 other players and you have to ignore your down I will also take it.

Tryhards cry about stolen kills /Thread

[Dvldawg15]

points may not be an issue when it comes to kill stealing but k/d depends on kills :P

[DaGRiM DeStRoYr]

I do not kill steal, but i will take kills other people have downed if i think they have a chance of getting up.
I have no issue with people taking my kills if i get downed or if i have to duck into cover... It's a team game!!

I've got to say, i accidentally took a few kills while playing Lancer Support on Sandbar - and got a VERY rude PM about it moments later.
People who take getting kills too seriously REALLY annoy me!

I give people one accidental kill steal. But if I got the last down and right before I execute my kill some one runs up and takes it, I get pissed.

[bjo510]

I try not to pay kill stealers any mind. If someone steals your kill and you send them a message they'll more than likely continue just to irritate you.

The last time I messaged someone about stealing kills was probably last week, when I scored MVP in a game of Lightning Round with 1 kill while the kid on the bottom had something like 15 kills and 500 pts lol.

They usually like to reply with "oh you have no life" despite the irony of their statement.

If I have no life for wanting to claim the spoils of my victory, what does that make said kill stealer...for wanting to claim someone elses spoils, so that they could either increase their stats or look cool at the end of the game for going positive? :O

[Neophoenix78]

1 People will always hide behind it is a team game. Even though setting up traps using downed people as bait benefits the team. Good luck being able to use that guy as bait to sucker in more of his team.

2 If a player is downed longer in respawn games he could be out of the next respawn phase. This potentially gives your team an advantage.

3 Epic says Team Killing is not an issue because their grinding achievements are based upon kills. This is done on purpose to condone killing people that are downed that they personally did not down. That way people that go for those achievements will have to kill more people. Yes I play VS and I boot some stuff too. Not everyone boosts.

4 Convincing people to change their habits pertaining to something they do not care about it next to impossible. It does not matter to them and it never will. And the fact that it matters to you means you are the one with the problem not them. It is about etiquette. But since there are no negative reinforcements for their actions their actions will not change. Classic this generation online play. People do something selfish and get called out on it. Response is to mock and be a choad. Why? Because there are not positive reinforcements to being an unselfish human being (I use this term loosely).

I would like a response to my first two points because I believe those two points are the ones that affect gameplay.

[TheEnvironment]

You down someone from across the map and there's other players going for a revive I'll finish him off.....

That excuse sounds familiar. Hmm...

It is always the hypothetical situations people try to bring up.
My favorite! "Well he downed him from the moon, and couldn't get close in time to take the kill.

Tryhards cry about stolen kills /Thread

Crying? You're funny I keeping you around. /Sarcasm

[l TormentZ]

That excuse sounds familiar. Hmm...





Crying? You're funny I keeping you around. /Sarcasm

When you play a sweaty game (taking up positions and team firing) or playing COMPETITIVELY downs need to be mopped up.....I will mop them up if needs be.

Also quoting me and trying to sound smart is completely retarded. "that excuse sounds familiar" what excuse? I'm not the one complaining about something that's been part of gears since E-Day.

And your use of "sarcasm" is quite funny since my comment clearly wasn't aimed at you yet, you get butt-hurt because of how I play the game with my TEAM?

I think someone needs to realise that stats (especially public stats) don't count for F all =)

EDIT: also gears IS a TEAM game cliffy B tweeted about this very subject. also notice how professional TEAMS' play for the WIN not the kill?

back to my previous statement only tryhards' cry over kills. big woop your K/D is over 1.0 in QM or ranked.....doesn't get you anywhere /lecture

[allcitychessclub13]

When you play a sweaty game (taking up positions and team firing) or playing COMPETITIVELY downs need to be mopped up.....I will mop them up if needs be.

Also quoting me and trying to sound smart is completely retarded. "that excuse sounds familiar" what excuse? I'm not the one complaining about something that's been part of gears since E-Day.

And your use of "sarcasm" is quite funny since my comment clearly wasn't aimed at you yet, you get butt-hurt because of how I play the game with my TEAM?

I think someone needs to realise that stats (especially public stats) don't count for F all =)

EDIT: also gears IS a TEAM game cliffy B tweeted about this very subject. also notice how professional TEAMS' play for the WIN not the kill?

back to my previous statement only tryhards' cry over kills. big woop your K/D is over 1.0 in QM or ranked.....doesn't get you anywhere /lecture

Kinda off topic but isnt K/D how people determine how good you are?

[l TormentZ]

Kinda off topic but isnt K/D how people determine how good you are?

Meh......Yes and no, If you have a high K/D because you're good it shows in how you play/decisions you make, and also how you handle situations.

If you have a high K/D because you kill steal it does the same thing.

Like I've always said stats/rank don't mean anything, you should judge the player not his K/D

[LoD FENIX]

Meh......Yes and no, If you have a high K/D because you're good it shows in how you play/decisions you make, and also how you handle situations.

If you have a high K/D because you kill steal it does the same thing.

Like I've always said stats/rank don't mean anything, you should judge the player not his K/D

It's also hard to judge someone on a single match. Consistency is the best judge but it can be difficult in a game like Gears which is connection heavy and people have both on and off days.

[TheEnvironment]

When you play a sweaty game (taking up positions and team firing) or playing COMPETITIVELY downs need to be mopped up.....I will mop them up if needs be.

Also quoting me and trying to sound smart is completely retarded. "that excuse sounds familiar" what excuse? I'm not the one complaining about something that's been part of gears since E-Day.

And your use of "sarcasm" is quite funny since my comment clearly wasn't aimed at you yet, you get butt-hurt because of how I play the game with my TEAM?

I think someone needs to realise that stats (especially public stats) don't count for F all =)

EDIT: also gears IS a TEAM game cliffy B tweeted about this very subject. also notice how professional TEAMS' play for the WIN not the kill?

back to my previous statement only tryhards' cry over kills. big woop your K/D is over 1.0 in QM or ranked.....doesn't get you anywhere /lecture

Most people who steal kills care about their K/D.(K/D Whores.)
I, like most people who have their kills stolen could care less about K/D.
Unless I am the only one who doesn't care about K/D?

[l TormentZ]

It's also hard to judge someone on a single match. Consistency is the best judge but it can be difficult in a game like Gears which is connection heavy and people have both on and off days.

Yeah That's true. I think I'm crossing wires here since I mainly scrim nowadays' so I'm judging people on an even connection against people who know what they're doing (most of the time) so I've got used to how good players' act/react to situations.

I know you guys are talking about online so it's a different environment but I'm pretty laid back when it comes to kill steals.

also the fact it's 4 am over here and I was ranting at that guy who was trying to be clever lol

[TheEnvironment]

If you have a high K/D because you kill steal it does the same thing.

You just made my point for me. Thank you. (lol)

[LoD FENIX]

Yeah That's true. I think I'm crossing wires here since I mainly scrim nowadays' so I'm judging people on an even connection against people who know what they're doing (most of the time) so I've got used to how good players' act/react to situations.

I know you guys are talking about online so it's a different environment but I'm pretty laid back when it comes to kill steals.

also the fact it's 4 am over here and I was ranting at that guy who was trying to be clever lol

Yeah it's easier to judge someones skill in a scrim since it's a whole different environment. I try to use K/D more as guideline, 6 times out of 10 i may have the highest K/D in a ranked Execution match (1.5) but i'm not always the best player in the room.

[l TormentZ]

Most people who steal kills care about their K/D.(K/D Whores.)
I, like most people who have their kills stolen could care less about K/D.
Unless I am the only one who doesn't care about K/D?

If you don't care about K/D then why would you start flaming me over what I said?

You said I'm making excuses when I wasn't and then made a dig at me for no reason.

Also you just said MOST people are K/D whores'. I am not one of them, I play for the win just like my team which is the whole point of the game.

Hence my statement. so where did this argument start from?

[allcitychessclub13]

Yeah That's true. I think I'm crossing wires here since I mainly scrim nowadays' so I'm judging people on an even connection against people who know what they're doing (most of the time) so I've got used to how good players' act/react to situations.

I know you guys are talking about online so it's a different environment but I'm pretty laid back when it comes to kill steals.

also the fact it's 4 am over here and I was ranting at that guy who was trying to be clever lol

I only ask because competitve players will say im garbage because of my 1.2 K/D in ranked even though i play by mysely about 90% of the time.

[l TormentZ]

Yeah it's easier to judge someones skill in a scrim since it's a whole different environment. I try to use K/D more as guideline, 6 times out of 10 i may have the highest K/D in a ranked Execution match (1.5) but i'm not always the best player in the room.

Yeah that's a good point, I've had a few games where a guy's been top of the board with 2 kills and I've been 2nd with 5 or 6.

The K/D ratio isn't very useful in this game since people can just farm bots when people quit. Especially on guardian or koth. this is why I don't understand why so many people judge off K.D

Anyway I'm off now but good talking to you.

[TheEnvironment]

If you don't care about K/D then why would you start flaming me over what I said?

You said I'm making excuses when I wasn't and then made a dig at me for no reason.

Also you just said MOST people are K/D whores'. I am not one of them, I play for the win just like my team which is the whole point of the game.

Hence my statement. so where did this argument start from?

The hypothetical situation you mentioned.

I just said it sounded too familiar to what I said. "The person who downed him was so far away..."

That isn't how most kill steals happen. They are blatantly taken.

[l TormentZ]

The hypothetical situation you mentioned.

I just said it sounded too familiar to what I said. "The person who downed him was so far away..."

That isn't how most kill steals happen. They are blatantly taken.

That isn't the type of situation I was meaning.

What I meant was - You're on mercy at the mortar spawn, you lancer someone down who's outside the church passageway.

He/She manages to crawl behind cover where you can't shoot him without giving up your position (hindering your team) to get, but I'm right in front of the church and can easily see him (thus being able to shoot him) in that case I will take it.

if you had the same scenario but he was downed at the digger/torque (well out in the open) and you can take the kill with no bother then I'd concentrate on my task and leave him.

we're talking about completely different things.

[LoD FENIX]

Yeah that's a good point, I've had a few games where a guy's been top of the board with 2 kills and I've been 2nd with 5 or 6.

The K/D ratio isn't very useful in this game since people can just farm bots when people quit. Especially on guardian or koth. this is why I don't understand why so many people judge off K.D

Anyway I'm off now but good talking to you.

Agreed. Good talking to you too sir. Take it easy.

[Bspencer]

Everyone does it, sometimes accidentally and sometimes(most times) intentionally. If you say you don't your lying and it's not a crime, just frowned upon. Get over it.

[hellaeric09]

There's not too much that can be done about killstealing since there isn't even a real definition of it. Most people say "your down, your kill", but when if someone comes in and gets 2 snub shots off for the down you've been working on. Is is their kill? And what happens when the guy is far away and execution rules are on, or the downer doesn't even notice his down (happened tonight, actually)?

To me, having a kill stolen is yes, very disappointing, but it's something I get over very quickly, because in the end, kills don't matter. Wins do. Besides, you can always just snatch up one of their kills

[in your face]

Yea they shul give the kill to the person ho put more damage

[Solid_Gear]

Epic should remove K/D ratios. That way, getting a kill only contributes to winning a match. High K/D's are mostly a indication of playing with teams all the time or players of weak skill.

[TJ_MkII]

Its not an issue, its more of respecting teammates.
I'd never steal a kill even if they're about to stand up.

Then you're ridiculous. It's about winning, not who gets more kills.

[Arcano Player]

Then you're ridiculous. It's about winning, not who gets more kills.

Si se trata de ganar, pero así como mucha gente "etiqueta" de tramposos a los que no usan Gnasher todo el tiempo yo envió informes de jugador a aquellos que roban muertes descaradamente, la victoria vacía es la que no se gana en equipo, si usted esta en el equipo ganador pero robo a sus compañeros indiscriminadamente usted no es digno de esa victoria, solo a ganado un mal informe de jugador, saludos.