New Master Gem + Forging List!

[Silverblade5]

Maby it'll be a gem that prevents dodge doom

[Silversabeast]

Maby it'll be a gem that prevents dodge doom

So faster dodging? That's an interesting idea.

[Silverblade5]

So faster dodging? That's an interesting idea.

What I had in mind was unlimited dodges, but that sounds pretty cool to

[Xaranoth]

Maby it'll be a gem that prevents dodge doom

I would love that, but I hope it's easy to get in NG

[Vile Majesty]

What I had in mind was unlimited dodges, but that sounds pretty cool to

Perhaps a gem that allows you to remain in (coerced) dodge position as long as you want no matter how long you hold the dodge button. This could potentially lead to new pure cracks for some of the normally uncrackable Titan stepbacks. Sound OP it might, but I'm interested to do some novel stepback crack research!

[Soldier4Good]

I'm thinking stamina points. I know somebody said it somewhere, but it restricts you from using certain armors. I like the Omega armor, but can't because of its low dodge points.

[Vile Majesty]

Guys according to my game, the following forges are possible:

Heavy CS+1, Dual Parry All, Heavy CS+1 (13 Years 11 Months, 3 Days 11 Hours)
Heavy CS+1, Light On 4Combo Block All Attacks, Heavy CS+1 (13 Years 11 Months, 3 Days 11 Hours)
Heavy CS+1, Dual Parry All, Heavy Light On 4Combo Block All Attacks (13 Years 11 Months, 3 Days 11 Hours)
Dual Parry All, Dual Parry All, Light On 4Combo Block All Attack (13 Years 11 Months, 3 Days 11 Hours)

Wonder will I get anything interesting from forging these gems together? Also have anyone tried forging 3 Rare XP Gem together?

[Silversabeast]

What I had in mind was unlimited dodges, but that sounds pretty cool to

Oh gotcha. Well the term "dodge doom" is when you dodge too much and are too slow to dodge the enemy, yes?

[Silverblade5]

I thought the term "Dodge Doom" reffered to dodge exhaustion.

[Silversabeast]

I thought the term "Dodge Doom" reffered to dodge exhaustion.

Last time I checked silvers dual guide it refers to when your dodging becomes too slow...

[Silverblade5]

OK. Thanks for correcting me. Maby the gem will help with both issues.

[Vile Majesty]

Last time I checked silvers dual guide it refers to when your dodging becomes too slow...

Or if you like a more detailed explanation, those little incremental delay in each subsequent dodge will, if you keep on dodging, keep "accumulate" till the point where the delay becomes significant enough to result in you being unavoidably too late to dodge successfully the next incoming hit. The incremental delays are inevitable because high level titans acts slightly faster than the speed at which Siris dodges, plus there's also the issue of human reaction time (my high school teacher often told me to treat it as a 0.03 seconds delay).

Upon second thought, I afraid my lengthy explanation above might end up confusing you, Silverblade In that case, please refer to SAB's and =Silver='s own explanation in his guide.

[rioskis]

Disregard this, I accidentally posted from rioskis's account :P

-SAB

[Silversabeast]

OK. Thanks for correcting me. Maby the gem will help with both issues.

That would be cool. I'm sure TamL and I would really like that gem.

[ElPared]

Wonder will I get anything interesting from forging these gems together? Also have anyone tried forging 3 Rare XP Gem together?

yes, I believe Proph tried it back when the last update first came out and it was an impossible forge.

I'm interested in seeing what those other come out as. Could be there's some kind of ultimate attack gem you get from combining the "ultimate" gems of each weapon type. I think the blue weapon specific gems are some of the only ones we haven't tried forging yet.

Proph always speculated that we hadn't found everything but no matter how hard we tried we could never think of any combinations we hadn't tried before.

we should definitely start documenting what we've tried, in a new thread probably, and see where that gets us. Definitely time to start playing with the gem set lol

EDIT: I do believe that these two new gems have a formula of some sort (like a Rare element gem, or a rainbow gem) otherwise someone would have stumbled upon it by now through random forges. Just sayin

[Vile Majesty]

yes, I believe Proph tried it back when the last update first came out and it was an impossible forge.

I'm interested in seeing what those other come out as. Could be there's some kind of ultimate attack gem you get from combining the "ultimate" gems of each weapon type. I think the blue weapon specific gems are some of the only ones we haven't tried forging yet.

Proph always speculated that we hadn't found everything but no matter how hard we tried we could never think of any combinations we hadn't tried before.

we should definitely start documenting what we've tried, in a new thread probably, and see where that gets us. Definitely time to start playing with the gem set lol

EDIT: I do believe that these two new gems have a formula of some sort (like a Rare element gem, or a rainbow gem) otherwise someone would have stumbled upon it by now through random forges. Just sayin

A new thread? Sure no problem. If you feel necessary, you could even share with others how to play with game saves so that once you got an undesirable forge, you can revert to the last save point prior to your forge to see if you end up with a different gem.

Wish Proph and mammoth are here with us actively seeking to discover those two remaining gems

[Proph]

Hey kids -

I don't mind documenting and/or keeping track of things that work/don't work...in fact, looking back through this thread, on page 47/August 2012, I did attempt to document capped gem forges - but those were the base amounts at the time. I had posted a progress query/attempt back on page 65/September 2012 and at the time, no one had found anything new. Updating will be sporadic but if we can keep it all in this thread, that may help...

Also, from what I can vaguely remember, when the Rainbow Defense Gem was discovered, I believe someone (it could have been me as well) had tried to forge 3 of them and either the forge blew up with the "impossible forge" message or something really crappy pooped out from the forge. It was only after one of the updates did forging 3 Rainbow Defense Gems produce the not-so-popular Rare XP On Hit Get 1000 XP hex gem - yay.

So from a research standpoint, since it has been about 6 months since any real experimental forging has been attempted, I suggest that we go over all of those "impossible" forges once again - just to confirm that those forges are still impossible.

Also - @ VM - if you are going to attempt those forges you listed, be sure to use or create a backup character as I don't know if those gems are important to you. I have a feeling that those forges may produce something unexpected - I just tried out a variation of your first one and I got some heavy on block gem... However, if you don't mind experimenting and using up gems, you could always spin a bunch of gem wheels to get them back...I would think that you should have some gold to burn...

Good luck with the experiments - maybe some new blood is out there to help with the research...?!?

[TamL]

That would be cool. I'm sure TamL and I would really like that gem.

+1 a dual gem would be great! I keep my health at 30k to absorb exhaustion so I can master armour other than Thark

[gr00veh0lmes]

+1 a dual gem would be great! I keep my health at 30k to absorb exhaustion so I can master armour other than Thark

Isn't dodge exhaustion based on a percentage of your total HP? I thought that if you had 5k or 30k health, it would take the same amount of dodges to die?

[Silversabeast]

Isn't dodge exhaustion based on a percentage of your total HP? I thought that if you had 5k or 30k health, it would take the same amount of dodges to die?

Yes it is. IIRC, each instance of dodge exhaustion takes away 1/20 of your full health. I put all my stats into attack and I'm fine.

[TamL]

Yes it is. IIRC, each instance of dodge exhaustion takes away 1/20 of your full health. I put all my stats into attack and I'm fine.

I knew it was a hp % but didn't realise it took the same no. of dodges to die, math isn't my strong point I'm going to put more into attack now

[Insert]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too? (SAB, TamL)

[gr00veh0lmes]

I get that too. It was brought up a while back. ＝Silver＝ makes reference to it in his dual guide.

[Silversabeast]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too? (SAB, TamL)

That happens to me as well.

[Vile Majesty]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too?

I occasionally encounter that too. But I believe that is a different issue from what =Silver= originally meant by "Dodge Doom". Still he offered advice on how to tackle both issues in his guide.

[TamL]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too? (SAB, TamL)

Sometimes this happens to me but its very rare.

[Soldier4Good]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too? (SAB, TamL)

ALL THE TIME. It happened in one of my 5:1 fights >

[Silverblade5]

I think the gems will be triangle and circle gems since we already have ultaminte gems for the other types.

[ElPared]

I think at least one triangle and probably a hex

idk, we'll se wat previously impossible forges work like Proph said

[Insert]

I really want a gem that's like "on magic get 5 dodge points" or "on perfect parry get 5 dodge points"

[Xaranoth]

Some type of stamina gem seems highly likely to me, since that's the only attribute of the game that there are no gems for already. Idk how much I would want that type of gem tho, it would make the game a lot easier and IMO would be more OP than parry all, unless it was just like "stamina +2" or something not that significant like that. Anything like "on dodge damage __" or "on dodge heal __" or "dodge speed +20%" would be way too OP IMO and would make the game boring eventually. :/

[Xaranoth]

I really want a gem that's like "on magic get 5 dodge points" or "on perfect parry get 5 dodge points"

You get one dodge point on parry automatically...

But that seems like a possible gem. Like I said in my previous post tho, I don't know that I would be too excited about such types of gems

[ElPared]

I could see an unlimited dodging gem being a thing since you get unlimited dodges in IB1. Maybe a Light weapon gem, so you can play just like IB1 siris haha

[Xaranoth]

I could see an unlimited dodging gem being a thing since you get unlimited dodges in IB1. Maybe a Light weapon gem, so you can play just like IB1 siris haha

Or maybe as a heavy gem. Just to tease us LOL

[TamL]

Interestingly enough, "Dodge Doom" for me is basically renamed to "Dodge Unable-to-attack". This refers to the fact that after you get a dodge break, you have a short period to attack before the Titan ends the break (doesn't happen with TB windows). So what happens to me is I dodge him to a break, but then I recover too late to actually hit him before that period ends. I believe it's about a second or so. So I don't actually get hit from Dodge Doom that often, I don't get to attack.

Does this happen to you too? (SAB, TamL)

I notice that if you dodge a bit late so that you're ready to attack only when the Titan is returning to his standing position, what you said can happen, you can't attack. I've found the trick is to be coming up from your dodge and start hitting before the Titan starts returning to his standing position, then you can hit during your break. So say the Titan's last hit is a down hit, make sure your coming back up from you dodge before he starts lifting his sword back up. If you start to hit while the titans sword is still down, you can hit him. It's a matter of making sure you've realeased the dodge in time to attack at that point.

[Stelios]

has anyone tried darkfire+spectrum+rare xp?

[ElPared]

has anyone tried darkfire+spectrum+rare xp?

yes, it does nothing. Proph, or maybe mammoth, tried it when the newest update hit

[Silverblade5]

What about a darkfire, spectrum, and rainbow defense?

[Silversabeast]

What about a darkfire, spectrum, and rainbow defense?

Don't think that works either

[Insert]

Don't think that works either

Maybe you guys should stop thinking so complicated. It might be 5CCC, Combo Slash, and Parry All.