New Master Gem + Forging List!

[mammoth]

took me nearly a month. (starting from release of 1.3, ends with the time when I posted the pictures). I play for 2 to 3 hours a day.

[mammoth]

Hi amazing Mammoth: best gamer I've ever seen!
I can't speak english properly: is it the formula to make attack or any other gems higher? I means e.g to get attack 10000...you may need 9950+9950+9950...also to get that one 9950 attack you may need 9990+9990+9990....so I mean basically you may need 100000000000 attack gem to create 10000? please answer for me easy way! I would appreciate for that...hope you understand my question

i guarantee you i'm definitely not the best gamer on this forum. the og gamer with the best gems, maybe.

no. attack 10000 = attack 9950 + attack 100 + attack 100
attack 9950 = attack 9900 + attack 100 + attack 100
...
attack 300 = attack 250 + attack 100 + 100
attack 250 = attack 200 + attack 200 + 200 (notice that this is different from above forges)

you need three attack 200 and approximately four hundred attack +100

[King Apriliano]

i guarantee you i'm definitely not the best gamer on this forum. the og gamer with the best gems, maybe.

no. attack 10000 = attack 9950 + attack 100 + attack 100
attack 9950 = attack 9900 + attack 100 + attack 100
...
attack 300 = attack 250 + attack 100 + 100
attack 250 = attack 200 + attack 200 + 200 (notice that this is different from above forges)

you need three attack 200 and approximately four hundred attack +100

Thanks a lot Mammoth: it help loads: just hard to make exact +100 attack:
one thing? Did you ever think of trying to increase rare gems to +600 first(i mean rare square gems+ 400 square+ 400 square-same colour) and then create darkfire or spectrum hun? better do not try? anyway appreciate for your replay....I do play 5hrs a day..but still trying:

[Ravine]

Thanks a lot Mammoth: it help loads: just hard to make exact +100 attack:
one thing? Did you ever think of trying to increase rare gems to +600 first(i mean rare square gems+ 400 square+ 400 square-same colour) and then create darkfire or spectrum hun? better do not try? anyway appreciate for your replay....I do play 5hrs a day..but still trying:

You should check out other topics from the forum 1st. I am certain that you haven't read through.
1. By attack +100, he means Attack +100 and up, like 101, 125, whatever..
2. There are people who try to forge rare+600 already but the result is ... check out other topic hehe

[ElPared]

Thanks a lot Mammoth: it help loads: just hard to make exact +100 attack:
one thing? Did you ever think of trying to increase rare gems to +600 first(i mean rare square gems+ 400 square+ 400 square-same colour) and then create darkfire or spectrum hun? better do not try? anyway appreciate for your replay....I do play 5hrs a day..but still trying:

attack+100 is simply the minimum number you must use to upgrade. You should really check out the guide to best threads in the stickies list, there's a bunch of threads on forging and even the FAQ that explains leveling up rare gems

[ausar_chris]

hello, I forged an +184 attack gems and it could be sold for $500,000, however I am not awarded the achievement of "forge a gem worth 1,000,000 gold or more", does it mean that a gem sold for $500,000 not equal to worth $1,000,000 gem?

[X24ShadowX]

hello, I forged an +184 attack gems and it could be sold for $500,000, however I am not awarded the achievement of "forge a gem worth 1,000,000 gold or more", does it mean that a gem sold for $500,000 not equal to worth $1,000,000 gem?

Hmm, I think you will need to forge it a little bit more and make it +200 in order to get the achievement.

[ElPared]

yeah it takes quite a bit to get that one. I think I got it when I forged my first +400 elemental gem

[Exorcist..]

About the list : 'on parry damage titan 1000' you can achieve it far before OG93, I'm at OG27 and allready have one

[Squashy]

About the list : 'on parry damage titan 1000' you can achieve it far before OG93, I'm at OG27 and allready have one

Lucky you. Take me forever to get those on parry damage gems

[ElPared]

About the list : 'on parry damage titan 1000' you can achieve it far before OG93, I'm at OG27 and allready have one

I think that part of the chart is just giving credit to the first person who found it. Conceivably you could get any of these gems at OG 1 if you found nothing but one kind of gem and used a lot of IAPs

[Minotaar]

Can I get a few basic explanations for a newbie?

When you guys say "Capped gems" do you mean a gem that has reached 500k value, or do you mean a gem that has the maximum stat? In other words, do I need to get exactly a +400 elemental damage gem in order to forger the higher rares and such, or can it simply be "capped" in gold value? Getting confused there. Wasted some nice gems already

[ElPared]

Can I get a few basic explanations for a newbie?

When you guys say "Capped gems" do you mean a gem that has reached 500k value, or do you mean a gem that has the maximum stat? In other words, do I need to get exactly a +400 elemental damage gem in order to forger the higher rares and such, or can it simply be "capped" in gold value? Getting confused there. Wasted some nice gems already

This is a slightly more complicated question than you think:

Yes, by "capped" we mean the gem has reached its maximum value. However, by forging 3 gems that have reached the cap together, you get a "Rare" gem which can be upgraded infinitely.

so basically, gems have no maximum value, but you have to reach the maximum value to make them that way. Confused yet?

I address this in my FAQ thread, bottom right corner of my sig

[Minotaar]

This is a slightly more complicated question than you think:

Yes, by "capped" we mean the gem has reached its maximum value. However, by forging 3 gems that have reached the cap together, you get a "Rare" gem which can be upgraded infinitely.

so basically, gems have no maximum value, but you have to reach the maximum value to make them that way. Confused yet?

I address this in my FAQ thread, bottom right corner of my sig

Thank you ElPared, but there is a detail from your FAQ and from your reply that, in my noobishness, I still do not understand. So I pose it this way:

Suppose I have a +345 square elemental damage gem. It's value is 500k. Is that capped, in the sense that I can use it for forging rares?

[Paul202]

No, the the Elemental caps are 400, so you must have 3 400 gems forged together to get a rare Elemental gem, a 500 attack, and then you can forge your 500 elemental attack with 2 more elemental attacks that are the same element and at least +200, and then you can infinitly upgrade your elemental attack gems.

[Vile Majesty]

Thank you ElPared, but there is a detail from your FAQ and from your reply that, in my noobishness, I still do not understand. So I pose it this way:

Suppose I have a +345 square elemental damage gem. It's value is 500k. Is that capped, in the sense that I can use it for forging rares?

To answer your question: your +345 gem is not capped.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand it this way: when it comes to forging, "capped" gems are gems that reach maximum stat value instead of gold/sale value. Take triangle "On Block Get X Health" gems for instance. The maximum stat value for such gems is 375 health gained per block and sells for 500,000 gold obviously, but a "On Block Get 350 Health" gem also sells for 500,000 gold. Still when we talk about a capped "On Block Get X Health" gem we mean "On Block Get 375 Health".

Round and square gems are a bit more complicated though. Take rare elemental attack gems for instance. You have to forge 3 +400 fire gem to get a rare fire gem. +400 is what we call the "cap" for elemental attack gems because originally there is no way to increase an elemental attack gem's power beyond +400. But starting from the latest update I think if you forge three +400 gems of the same element together, you'll get a rare gem (+500) which can be upgraded infinitely. Nonetheless we still use the word "cap" nowadays.

P.S. Sorry if this post confuses you even more, Minotaar. If it does, just ignore it Exorcist's post below is much clearer anyway.

[Exorcist..]

@Minotaar,

In that case your square elemental must be 400, you need 3x a 400 elemental gem to forge them to 1x 500 elemental gem, and from than on you can infinitely level them up

I'll just give you the capped values:

elemental squares are allways capped on: 400 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 400(capped) squares (of the same element) to make a : 500
round attack-gem is capped on: 200 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 200(capped) round attack-gems to make a : 250
round magic-gem is capped on: 200 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 200(capped) round magic-gems to make a : 250
round shield-gem is capped on: 60 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 60(capped) round shield-gems to make a : 75 ( i think, not sure)
round health-gem is capped on: 50 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 50(capped) round health-gems to make a : 60 ( i think, not sure)

after you get the 'rare' gems you can infinitely level them up...


hope I cleared this point a bit for you

grtz. Exor..

[Vile Majesty]

@Minotaar,

In that case your square elemental must be 400, you need 3x a 400 elemental gem to forge them to 1x 500 elemental gem, and from than on you can infinitely level them up

I'll just give you the capped values:

elemental squares are allways capped on: 400 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 400(capped) squares (of the same element) to make a : 500
round attack-gem is capped on: 200 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 200(capped) round attack-gems to make a : 250
round magic-gem is capped on: 200 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 200(capped) round magic-gems to make a : 250
round shield-gem is capped on: 60 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 60(capped) round shield-gems to make a : 75 ( i think, not sure)
round health-gem is capped on: 50 --> to make a 'rare' gem, you need 3x 50(capped) round health-gems to make a : 60 ( i think, not sure)

after you get the 'rare' gems you can infinitely level them up...


hope I cleared this point a bit for you

grtz. Exor..

Your values are all correct

[Minotaar]

Thank you, that clears it up. My concern was that in both the FAQ and in the posts above you say a capped gem is one that has reached maximum value: but it is unclear if you are referring to the damage value or the gold value. Now it is clear that it is the damage value.

Last question: If I have a +395 elemental square, what is the safest way to get that last +5?

[drenline]

Last question: If I have a +395 elemental square, what is the safest way to get that last +5?

The other 2 gems should be the cheapest gems of the same elemental attack you can possibly find. Don't waste another +300 or +200.

[Minotaar]

Okidokes. Thanks for the clarity. Does having a higher value increase the risk of the gem turning into crap? Or just no difference?

[Vile Majesty]

The other 2 gems should be the cheapest gems of the same elemental attack you can possibly find. Don't waste another +300 or +200.

Yep. But just to play safe (i.e. you manage to 'overcome' that remaining 5 points of attack), try putting one gem around +100 and another gem being less than +100.

[ElPared]

Thank you ElPared, but there is a detail from your FAQ and from your reply that, in my noobishness, I still do not understand. So I pose it this way:

Suppose I have a +345 square elemental damage gem. It's value is 500k. Is that capped, in the sense that I can use it for forging rares?

Thnks for pointing that out, I'll update that question

[King Apriliano]

Hello Guys! Anyone knows which gem is needed in spectrum or darkfire damage to reduce Titan life continuously after hit;; Titan speed 90% is the one? Or???????

[Thunderblow]

Hello Guys! Anyone knows which gem is needed in spectrum or darkfire damage to reduce Titan life continuously after hit;; Titan speed 90% is the one? Or???????

You dont need any extra gems for that.
Titan speed 90% only reduces the titan speed. Theres also a titan speed 80% gem.

[ElPared]

Hello Guys! Anyone knows which gem is needed in spectrum or darkfire damage to reduce Titan life continuously after hit;; Titan speed 90% is the one? Or???????

I'm not sure what you mean. Darkfire and Spectrum do damage over time already. If you're asking for a gem that does damage over time for the entire fight after a hit, then you're out of luck as no such gem exists

if you're looking for recipes for Spectrum and Darkfire then check out the chart on page 1 of the thread, the recipes are listed at the bottom

[Silversabeast]

this thread has almost 150,000 views. legend.

[Infinitymaster]

this thread has almost 150,000 views. legend.

More than all of the stickies put together!

[Vile Majesty]

this thread has almost 150,000 views. legend.

GEM FORGE FTW!!! Never had thought that a thread on gems' caps can be this useful until I owned a handful of capped gems of various sorts.

[Minotaar]

Question about efficient forging:

I find that when I equip my gem-finding apparatus (several maxed gem-drop diamond gems) that I tend to run out of money because I spend it all at the forge. If I dont spend it at the forge, the gems stack up, and fill my inventory. I use weapons to store high level gems that I dont expect to use anytime soon, but Im too lazy to exploit every weapon for this effort; also I think the gem resocketing costs will be ridiculous.

Alternatively, if I use my gold drop apparatus (several maxed +gold % gems and a gold+37% hex) I get piles of gold but no gems. I find that this is nice, but it feels tangential.

When you guys are questing for gems, how do you keep your bank accounts up to pay off the forge? I know there are some good combos that can really return a lot for selling the gems (a number of the triangle recipes appear to pay off nicely) but is there a way to do it without having to pause and switch to "Gold mode" in order to farm the forge money? This especially bites when I have like 4-5 triplets of gems ready to go for forging several capped gems, and it's just so expensive to pay off the forge like 250k each time.

I keep all gems except triangles, diamonds, and hexes. MOst of them get sold on the spot to make room. I'm making pretty good progress towards the spectrum gem, but I still need many rares. It appears I will have enough for a darkfire gem at the same time, since the distribution appears to be totally random. ANy tips on farming this stuff faster?

[ElPared]

Question about efficient forging:

I find that when I equip my gem-finding apparatus (several maxed gem-drop diamond gems) that I tend to run out of money because I spend it all at the forge. If I dont spend it at the forge, the gems stack up, and fill my inventory. I use weapons to store high level gems that I dont expect to use anytime soon, but Im too lazy to exploit every weapon for this effort; also I think the gem resocketing costs will be ridiculous.

Alternatively, if I use my gold drop apparatus (several maxed +gold % gems and a gold+37% hex) I get piles of gold but no gems. I find that this is nice, but it feels tangential.

When you guys are questing for gems, how do you keep your bank accounts up to pay off the forge? I know there are some good combos that can really return a lot for selling the gems (a number of the triangle recipes appear to pay off nicely) but is there a way to do it without having to pause and switch to "Gold mode" in order to farm the forge money? This especially bites when I have like 4-5 triplets of gems ready to go for forging several capped gems, and it's just so expensive to pay off the forge like 250k each time.

I keep all gems except triangles, diamonds, and hexes. MOst of them get sold on the spot to make room. I'm making pretty good progress towards the spectrum gem, but I still need many rares. It appears I will have enough for a darkfire gem at the same time, since the distribution appears to be totally random. ANy tips on farming this stuff faster?

we could probably start an entire separate thread just for this question. In fact, I think I will, stay tuned.

EDIT: I started a thread on this here: http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/...5#post30722895

[Vile Majesty]

Question: is there a 100%-working way of upgrading +Drop Item gems? When I forge 3 +Drop Item gems I can even end up with a hex +Rare Item gem.

[ElPared]

Question: is there a 100%-working way of upgrading +Drop Item gems? When I forge 3 +Drop Item gems I can even end up with a hex +Rare Item gem.

I don't think you can upgrade them, but you can forge them by combining Drop Weapon, Drop Gold and Drop Gem gems

[Vile Majesty]

I don't think you can upgrade them, but you can forge them by combining Drop Weapon, Drop Gold and Drop Gem gems

So we can only hope ChAIR addresses this issue in the coming-soon bug fix update?

[ElPared]

So we can only hope ChAIR addresses this issue in the coming-soon bug fix update?

I think this is the intended functionality. It's kind of a recipe actually. 3 Drop item perks = Drop Rare items hex. I don't think it's a bug

[Vile Majesty]

I think this is the intended functionality. It's kind of a recipe actually. 3 Drop item perks = Drop Rare items hex. I don't think it's a bug

Hmm.... ok then...

[Proph]

With the latest 1.31 update, please post which capped gems you are finding in the store - name of the gem with attributes and buy price. Also, after you have played or sped through a number of rebirths, please also note how often a capped gem appears in the store. Thanks!

[-JRS-]

Just finished a rebirth! Here are my results of capped gems in store:
RB 58: Ice Attack +400

Will edit post after more play throughs and updating to iOS6.

[X24ShadowX]

I just got a capped Dark Attack gem for +400 in the store

I was on RB 131 OG

[Paul202]

Rebirth 41 NG 5 Shock Attack+400 in store selling for $1,000,000.