So can evading be fixed?

[sweetnessbk]

I still think it's lag, but either way, now it's in my head. LOL

Real players know how to play in lag e.g GOW&GOW2.

Everyone else stop complaining and step your game up! GOW3 requires less skill than 1&2! Epic did this to bring BS COD players over... kinda sucks you had to noob up the game to get COD players because GOW 1&2 was too hard for them!!!

[dueric]

Real players know how to play in lag e.g GOW&GOW2.

Everyone else stop complaining and step your game up! GOW3 requires less skill than 1&2! Epic did this to bring BS COD players over... kinda sucks you had to noob up the game to get COD players because GOW 1&2 was too hard for them!!!

"Real players"? You dug deep for that one, huh?

And dude, COD players are playing COD. That's why they're called COD players.

[ManicRaider]

Real players know how to play in lag e.g GOW&GOW2.

Everyone else stop complaining and step your game up! GOW3 requires less skill than 1&2! Epic did this to bring BS COD players over... kinda sucks you had to noob up the game to get COD players because GOW 1&2 was too hard for them!!!

How in the world can you get better at dodging a grenade beyond flipping away from it? The only other way is to run away but you'd have to know just where the grenade is coming from, position yourself in the correct opposite direction and then hold A. In the time it takes to do all of that it would have exploded already.

[K87]

For this to be true would mean that shooting a persons character model during their roll, or just before the end of the roll would do essentially nothing, because their hitbox wouldn't have "updated" -- which is not the case because I've done both of the things I just mentioned.

Maybe the problem is something else? The hitbox is definitely not the problem, because shooting a person mid-roll still gets you the kill, which wouldn't happen if the hitbox hadn't followed them at least somewhat through the roll.

[Maaaaaz]

If they can, it won't be an easy fix. The problem most likely exists, but even to prove or disprove it, Epic will need to look at all the collision detection code. There was a lot of code for Doom 3 when I looked though it. (The entire game was 780,000-781,000 lines of code). They're also looking for something that isn't there (code that doesn't update the hitbox). I think they can fix it, but it'll be a PITA.

Mm, hence the "Can evading be fixed"

Really wish it were simple haha

For this to be true would mean that shooting a persons character model during their roll, or just before the end of the roll would do essentially nothing, because their hitbox wouldn't have "updated" -- which is not the case because I've done both of the things I just mentioned.

Maybe the problem is something else? The hitbox is definitely not the problem, because shooting a person mid-roll still gets you the kill, which wouldn't happen if the hitbox hadn't followed them at least somewhat through the roll.

The hitbox is the problem. The quote in my OP explains it perfectly.

[Acidviolet]

this has happened to me, i even managed to sponge a boomshot (god knows how) but usually, ill be at a wall in cover then ill get shot snd wont die till i moved away from the cover

[Locust BarmyArmy]

Maybe the problem is something else? The hitbox is definitely not the problem, because shooting a person mid-roll still gets you the kill, which wouldn't happen if the hitbox hadn't followed them at least somewhat through the roll.

I see where you're coming from and to be honest can't explain it, but the video in the OP clearly shows how evading often fails against grenades because your hitbox hasn't moved.

[Maaaaaz]

this has happened to me, i even managed to sponge a boomshot (god knows how) but usually, ill be at a wall in cover then ill get shot snd wont die till i moved away from the cover

Boomshot seems to be worth nothing at the moment lol. Everyone takes it LIKE A BOSS.

[Maaaaaz]

Bumping for potential fix.

[NP473L]

Bumping for potential fix.

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[Maaaaaz]

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It was difficult, but I managed to read it. Thanks for the support

[NP473L]

It was difficult, but I managed to read it. Thanks for the support

Idon'tknowwhatyouaretalkingabout...

[DaRkNeSs]

Easy to fix? Probably. Going to be fixed? Probably not.

[NP473L]

Easy to fix? Probably. Going to be fixed? Probably not.

Is it an easy fix though? Sounds like adjusting the entire mechanic of the hitbox. But then I'm no expert...

[K87]

The hitbox is the problem. The quote in my OP explains it perfectly.

The hitbox cannot simply 'not move' though, because as I said, you can still shoot people at any point in their roll and kill them... so that shows the hitbox is actually on their character model at the time.

[Rtma]

if this is true the Sawed-off didn't need a range reduction.

[EK_Dantus]

so many times ive rolled past a guy online to be gibbed when i was clearly my body lengths past him, why epic thought something like this was a good idea is beyond me, if it works the way you've explained it then thats truly game breaking and it needs addressing soon, its like epic want to kill their own game.....

[DaRkNeSs]

Is it an easy fix though? Sounds like adjusting the entire mechanic of the hitbox. But then I'm no expert...

Idk. Judging on what EPIC can actually do, I'd say so

[DanTheGamer11]

No cause then I wouldn't get my undeserved kills

[dueric]

The hitbox cannot simply 'not move' though, because as I said, you can still shoot people at any point in their roll and kill them... so that shows the hitbox is actually on their character model at the time.

I think the main point to take away is that it's a massive issue regardless of what causes it because it happens with such regularity.

If it's simply latency, it's likely the worst latency I've ever experienced in an online game. We're talking up to full seconds in some cases.

If it's a programming snafu, well that's just awful on it's own.

Either way, an issue of this magnitude needs the attention it's getting.

[baldbean]

Bumping to help this issue get fixed or explained.

[Maaaaaz]

The hitbox cannot simply 'not move' though, because as I said, you can still shoot people at any point in their roll and kill them... so that shows the hitbox is actually on their character model at the time.

I don't really know, myself.

All I know for certain is that there's an issue with people being killed even though they've evaded.

This is the only thing I can think of that explains it, even if it does have some logical holes lol. It makes the most sense (to me, at least)

Can just hope EPIC does something to address it.

so many times ive rolled past a guy online to be gibbed when i was clearly my body lengths past him, why epic thought something like this was a good idea is beyond me, if it works the way you've explained it then thats truly game breaking and it needs addressing soon, its like epic want to kill their own game....

Mm, something so simple that can completely alter the course of a game. Kinda funny and annoying in equal measure.

Easy to fix? Probably. Going to be fixed? Probably not.

I would hope it's easy to fix. There is obvious support for something to be done; this thread proves it. If it's easy, then there's the chance it could be changed.

I think the main point to take away is that it's a massive issue regardless of what causes it because it happens with such regularity.

If it's simply latency, it's likely the worst latency I've ever experienced in an online game. We're talking up to full seconds in some cases.

If it's a programming snafu, well that's just awful on it's own.

Either way, an issue of this magnitude needs the attention it's getting.

Definitely. Whether my theory is correct or not, there IS a problem.

Bumping to help this issue get fixed or explained

Thanks

[Maaaaaz]

Bumping to teh top

[Pinbot]

I am still having major problems with this. Epic really needs to address this problem.

[DtA_Spyd3rguy]

Someone should tweet Peter Knepley and ask. He's the senior MP programmer.

[TheTrickHit]

I never roll now from nades and bullets. just rodie run and wall bounce and your hitbox seems to stay updated.

[xLOKiii]

ok so I just read all 19 pages and AMEN to the OP <3
as a relatively new gears player who came over from FPS games I find this game incredibly inconsistent, I know to get good at anything you need to practice it and understand it but how do you practice something that doesn't even work half the time?
no one has pointed out yet that rolling sideways to avoid a retro charge is useless as you get sucked back and this also happens with the lancers chainsaw.
I have been in situations when an enemy has disappeared round a wall and I've gibbed them when they are no longer on my screen, at the time I put it down to lag but after reading this I'm not so sure.
I think connection can be an issue as I usually have a high ping and rubberband a lot but I think there are also coding problems as well because I come across a lot of these problems when I'm not lagging especially the retro/lancer vacuum effect.
I just want some consistency and for things to do what they say they do.
I really hope that EPIC picks up on this and fixes it because I'm really tired of rolling past people and then dying when they are facing the other way or being sucked into a retro charge/chainsaw when I have seen them coming and side rolled to EVADE it or dying to a frag after I have rolled away from it or when I roll back from someone with a SoS and still die or when I throw a ink/incendiary and it lands on someone but does no damage, or when I land a boom directly next to someone and it doesn't do anything, or when I get mantle kicked when I'm about 7 feet away from the cover...and so on.
on a side note I love this game and really enjoy it when it works. I don't believe I am better than anyone and I don't suffer from the delusion that if I die then the game must be broken. I know that as a new player there will be things that I don't understand yet that will come from practice and patience (as will anything in life).

[xLOKiii]

so easy to double post by mistake on these forums, sorry >_<

bump?

[Melonfrog]

If this is true how do we get the Super Ribbon? Headshotting someone midroll would be impossible if the hitbox isn't rolling too.
I have no idea what I am talking about, but I think I sound smart. Shut up...me...

[Anatomy of Rain]

If this is true how do we get the Super Ribbon? Headshotting someone midroll would be impossible if the hitbox isn't rolling too.
I have no idea what I am talking about, but I think I sound smart. Shut up...me...

I understand what you mean. But sometimes a guy will roll out of the way, I shoot where his hear used to be before he rolled, and I get a headshot off of it and he goes flying as if he got popped while rolling.

[Maaaaaz]

Someone should tweet Peter Knepley and ask. He's the senior MP programmer.

I think I'll link him this thread, see if I can get a reply

I never roll now from nades and bullets. just rodie run and

wall bounce

and your hitbox seems to stay updated

Sadly enough, this seems to suffer from the same problem.

ok so I just read all 19 pages and AMEN to the OP <3
as a relatively new gears player who came over from FPS games I find this game incredibly inconsistent, I know to get good at anything you need to practice it and understand it but how do you practice something that doesn't even work half the time?
no one has pointed out yet that rolling sideways to avoid a retro charge is useless as you get sucked back and this also happens with the lancers chainsaw.
I have been in situations when an enemy has disappeared round a wall and I've gibbed them when they are no longer on my screen, at the time I put it down to lag but after reading this I'm not so sure.
I think connection can be an issue as I usually have a high ping and rubberband a lot but I think there are also coding problems as well because I come across a lot of these problems when I'm not lagging especially the retro/lancer vacuum effect.
I just want some consistency and for things to do what they say they do.
I really hope that EPIC picks up on this and fixes it because I'm really tired of rolling past people and then dying when they are facing the other way or being sucked into a retro charge/chainsaw when I have seen them coming and side rolled to EVADE it or dying to a frag after I have rolled away from it or when I roll back from someone with a SoS and still die or when I throw a ink/incendiary and it lands on someone but does no damage, or when I land a boom directly next to someone and it doesn't do anything, or when I get mantle kicked when I'm about 7 feet away from the cover...and so on.
on a side note I love this game and really enjoy it when it works. I don't believe I am better than anyone and I don't suffer from the delusion that if I die then the game must be broken. I know that as a new player there will be things that I don't understand yet that will come from practice and patience (as will anything in life).

Thanks for taking the time to read it all

Mm, chainsawing has always suffer from a vacuum. The Retro Charge exacerbated this, and coupled with hitbox not moving, makes it very dangerous lol.
I mean, it COULD be lag- other people have pointed it out, and this thread is entirely conjecture- but that would mean it's a CONSTANT lag. A constant 1second lag on the hitbox, which is massive. That's even more scary than a slow hitbox.

It's just a shame that the uniqueness of the game seems to put a lot of strain on it, causing these issues, especially the Mantle Kicker.../Shudder.

If this is true how do we get the Super Ribbon? Headshotting someone midroll would be impossible if the hitbox isn't rolling too.
I have no idea what I am talking about, but I think I sound smart. Shut up...me...

In regards to this, I think the quote kinda explains it.
But like I've said, this is just my personal theory, and it does make sense, in some regards. Either way, we know that there is actually a problem lol.

[Pinbot]

Still having major problems with this. Rolled behind a wall today and still magically got blown to bits. Please make this a top priority fix.

[Maaaaaz]

Still having major problems with this. Rolled behind a wall today and still magically got blown to bits. Please make this a top priority fix.

I tweeted this thread to Pete Nub, so hopefully it might get noticed.

[Maaaaaz]

Bumping...

[82PeRK]

Sup yo.

Currently, when you evade, your hitbox does not update until you complete the roll. This leads to many, many deaths that should not have happened.

You know, when someone pops off your head with the gnasher even whilst you're diving away?
When someone throws an incend, you're already moving off but it still manages to hit you?

It's because, according to the game, you're still in that same spot until you hit the ground. Is it possible for this to actually be fixed? It really sucks when you accrue deaths which should never have occurred.

You forgot to bring up sliding into cover, it does the same thing.

[Maaaaaz]

You forgot to bring up sliding into cover, it does the same thing.

Oh yeah, I'll add that in.

[Maaaaaz]

I be bumping.

[Buskii]

After reading this thread, I really couldn't stop noticing it. I always thought i was just too slow to evade, or lagging. This really is a bit of a game-breaker, I rely a lot on rolling around and bouncing off the walls. I thought I'd become terrible at it since gears 1/2... Didn't realise I was making it actually easier to be killed. Thank you for making me realising the truth lol

[Maaaaaz]

After reading this thread, I really couldn't stop noticing it. I always thought i was just too slow to evade, or lagging. This really is a bit of a game-breaker, I rely a lot on rolling around and bouncing off the walls. I thought I'd become terrible at it since gears 1/2... Didn't realise I was making it actually easier to be killed. Thank you for making me realising the truth lol

Hehe, you're the 2nd person who has said they notice it all the time after reading this

No worries

[He Bridish]

Oh yeah, I'll add that in.

Now I know why wallbouncing is broken.