Retro Lancer

[sB Torque]

Also, I have the flaming skin sooo yeah im using more just for that reason.

[Charlozard]

The thing that bothers me about the retro is that someone could start charging 1 foot away from you and that does like 90% health as well as disorients your screen so you cannot use your shotgun to kill them, and then they use like 1-2 bullets to down you.

[iLuke]

I only hate the retro lancer due to the fact White Bar Stab + Shot/Melee is bull****.

Pretty much sums it up.

[RexMantlepiece]

Maybe I'm opening myself up for ridicule here, but I don't use it cause I can't hit the side of a barn with it (from longer than close range). I hate the way it feels, I hate the extra-long reload time, and I hate the recoil.

Yes, everyone has the option to use it. But I'm more of a support style type player. I like to throw some lancer fire towards a teammate who's got his hands full with a gnasher battle. I don't like giving up that cross map accuracy just to pick up a few close quarters kills.

And in the interest of full disclosure, if they ever smoothed out some of that recoil, I'd probably switch over full time, which is sad.

[Golden RAAM]

Because when a Gnashturbator rushes a retro player he dies, he then gets so mad he thinks it's gonna make a big difference raging about it here on the forums. Retrotrollface.png And BAM! You just owned a gnashturbator.

[Beezy8669]

I personally use it more than my lancer, lovin tha flame skin. Iv notice an increase in people using it

[TeeJay0221]

My point exactly. I don't understand why people get worked up over it. I change my guns according to the map I'm playing. I could cake less what gun the enemy used to kill me. I'm more mad at myself for not being ready for it or not being in cover

[R0gueSc0peZz]

Is it that hard to realize? Okay so I'm gonna try to put this as simple as possible.

Gears 1 was gnasher and lancer and became a gnasher frenzy game type.
Gears 2 included the Hammerburst which was (at first) hated by the fans and then became a nice addition since it was not EXTREMELY over powerful and allowed for gnasher fans from the first gears to still excel and critique their wall bouncing skills to evade the hammerburst (even with the terrible, terrible lag)
Gears 3 on the other hands MAIN FOCUS was to shy away from extreme gnasher use (and ignoring the other weapons) so they bumped all rifles strength and added the Sawed-Off and Retro BOTH to counter the gnasher. Retro to go up against rushing gnasher users and Sawed-Off to counter the close up gnashers. This angered MORE THAN HALF of the original gears players to the point where they stopped playing. BUT it also brought in more than half the amount of new players because the game was more wide spread in weapon use and didn't take Gnahser ONLY skill to do well.

The reason why many veteran gears players (me included) strongly dislike the Retro is because its EXTREME over power. Not only am i completely mowed down by the weapon while using any and all other weapons (not just gnasher) but the weapon is the single most powerful weapon within the game. Okay so one-shot and boom shot are ONE bullet weapons and may kill with one shot. But the retro is a STARTING weapon 1. 2... (while active) can take down a rushing opponent AS FAST as the mulcher.

So why doesnt everyone just use the weapon since its available?!? Because from the beginning Gears of War, it has been based on emphasis on SKILL. Being able to wall bounce and use the gnasher correctly and effectively is not the EASIEST thing in the world... and never has been (with the server issues to date). So they add weapons that take LESS skill to use to the game to counter this weapon.

Players who have been playing from the first gears have built there skill off of gnasher consistency and wall bouncing maneuvers. Gears 3 comes along to introduces dedicated servers! Something Gears has needed probably more than any other game! And yet the skill we had to gain from the first (terrible servers) games has been shut down by new players (and even vets who have either given in AND/OR sucked at the first games) with no effort but holding down right trigger walking backwards and blind firing your faces off.

Im not attacking you because this is a very old old topic and I don't blame the users for using the easiest weapon in the game rack up kills. Its common sense really... but you can't PRIDE yourselves on doing well or "raping" with the retro because its physically impossible NOT TO RAPE with the retro.

I use lancer and gnasher because its fun for me to kill opponents when i'm less fit (underdog) in a 1v1, 1v2, 1v3, 1v4, or 1,5 opportunity.

who would've thought using the original weapons from the original game of a trilogy would make you the underdog...

Anyway... i don't find any fun or interest in mowing down people with retro and i know hundreds of other players who i have played with who agree. Yes, its easy and is maybe fun to shut down a rushing player... but don't go patting yourself on the back because it takes no skill.

sorry for coming off strong... but yea.

[R0gueSc0peZz]

^^^^^^^^ wasn't very simple hahahahahahahaha

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

The only thing I have against the Retro is that it does more damage at long range than the Hamburgerburst does. Hammy does 80 while Retro does 90. I'd prefer fall of damage for the Retro but that's just my opinion. Otherwise the Retro is pretty balanced.

[cmann333]

It's funny that so many ppl generalize anyone complaining about the retro. Not everyone that complains about it get on the forums to destroy their beloved gun. The thing that makes me laugh the most is that they think we all must get destroyed by it every match, rage, and then get on the forums with smoke coming out of our ears lol. I rarely get owned by a player using a retro but it is still the most op weapon in the game by far.

In the hands of a noob, the retro makes them look halfway decent. In the hands of an average player, it makes them look good. In the hands of a great player, it makes them a real nuisance to deal with. You get 2 or 3 good/great players using it, you will have an incredibly annoying match.

If epic made it weaker for long range and maybe a tad weaker for mid range then I would have no problem with the weapon. At least make the active shots weaker lol. I'm not even going to go off about it's melee/charge/shoot 3 piece, but it's such a cheap way to get kills.

Excuse me for wanting to use a weapon that requires skill to use. Of course we have the option to use it but I'd rather work for my kills instead of using a weapon that hands them to me on a silver platter. There's very little skill in that.

[Mistress Luna]

The only thing I have against the Retro is that it does more damage at long range than the Hamburgerburst does. Hammy does 80 while Retro does 90. I'd prefer fall of damage for the Retro but that's just my opinion. Otherwise the Retro is pretty balanced.

That's wrong. The Retro has the highest damage output at all ranges except long range, in which the Retro does 73 points of damage and the Hammerburst does 76.

[Baganaz]

Because from the beginning Gears of War, it has been based on emphasis on SKILL. Being able to wall bounce and use the gnasher correctly and effectively is not the EASIEST thing in the world... and never has been (with the server issues to date). So they add weapons that take LESS skill to use to the game to counter this weapon.

I have learnt one thing playing all these years, gamers make game not developers.
As already said the powerful gnasher of gears 1&2 was a MISTAKE, the game was supposed to be played with lancer from far/mid and gnasher from close.
But lancer was (and, less, but still is) weak, so people took gnasher and start to use it in every situation, and it was easy to rush against langer from far and gib.
Wall bouncing is the same, a sort of WRONG USE of covers. But it works.

Being able to wallbounce and gnasher, isn't what developers designed but it's what gamers want to do.


People use the best weapon for them.
Today gnasher isn't the ONLY weapon anymore. Lancer is more effective, hammy the same, retro is extreme powerful, so can make u mad.
So there is a wide range of choose.
Anyway in all my matches 90% of gamers, play with gnasher.
And overall 90% of people complaining use ONLY gnasher.
Stop comparing gears 3 with 1&2, here you can't no more rush straight to lancer, now you die.
And stop trying to kill a retro lancer from mid with gnasher, you're not supposed to do that! (even if lag allows it many time)

[Exar]

That's wrong. The Retro has the highest damage output at all ranges except long range, in which the Retro does 73 points of damage and the Hammerburst does 76.

Indeed. I don't even see how that's a factor anyway though, tbh. Cold data doesn't accurately reflect the metagame. The retro may have a good ranged dps, but feathering only does so much to alleviate the horrendous spread the retro has and its uselessness at hitting targets behind cover; in addition to that, feathering also slows down the firing rate of a gun that already has an extremely low firing rate to begin with. You're not sniping anyone with the retro unless they suck or they're caught out in the open with no cover.

[cmann333]

Oh, it's a factor. The long range damage is burly below the hammy. What does that tell you about that "close range" rifle?

[Solid_Gear]

Besides these two things, teamwork and camping, what counters retro rushing? I rush in with it all the time, get kills very easily.

If you can't beat the gun 1 v 1 against a player of equal skill, then it is overpowered. No point saying, i beat retro people with my hammerburst even if that person was level 33 and i'm level 90 blue re- up.

And if you think Lancer and Hammerburst counter the retro, then they can counter the gnasher too, making the retro an obselete weapon purpose wise.

[SheepRfluffy]

It doesnt fit your play style is all that's why it isn't satisfying. And Gears isnt like Call of duty just because of a powerful rifle if anything the games boring because of nothing but gnasher user's,rusher's,spammer's. A rifle is different and kills people so fast because their dumb enough to get close when they know you have a retro.

[UNDEAD MIKE 95]

I don't know, I don't have a problem with it personally.

same, if everyone can use it, why is it a problem? If people don't like retro users, they should stop playing and go complain about another game. Those kinds of people really grind my gears.

[GOLEAFSGO]

I beat a hammer burst user on the other side of the map yesterday with my retro. so op.

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[jnast]

if it had less range it would be perfect

[Scootleberry]

because they try to gnasher rush and get handed a severe beating from the retro, I love the weapon

^^ This guy hit the nail on the head

[Scootleberry]

It's funny that so many ppl generalize anyone complaining about the retro. Not everyone that complains about it get on the forums to destroy their beloved gun. The thing that makes me laugh the most is that they think we all must get destroyed by it every match, rage, and then get on the forums with smoke coming out of our ears lol. I rarely get owned by a player using a retro but it is still the most op weapon in the game by far.

In the hands of a noob, the retro makes them look halfway decent. In the hands of an average player, it makes them look good. In the hands of a great player, it makes them a real nuisance to deal with. You get 2 or 3 good/great players using it, you will have an incredibly annoying match.

If epic made it weaker for long range and maybe a tad weaker for mid range then I would have no problem with the weapon. At least make the active shots weaker lol. I'm not even going to go off about it's melee/charge/shoot 3 piece, but it's such a cheap way to get kills.

Excuse me for wanting to use a weapon that requires skill to use. Of course we have the option to use it but I'd rather work for my kills instead of using a weapon that hands them to me on a silver platter. There's very little skill in that.

I also love how people complain about using a gun that is easy to get kills with. If you like losing or getting killed then its fine, but if you want to win use a good gun! Its like me playing gears deliberately ignoring power weapons saying " I will get kills to easily I want it tough" there is no point!

[ChocolateBacon]

The OP is banned. I wouldn't bother posting in here (other than this one time).

[123MAN]

I also love how people complain about using a gun that is easy to get kills with. If you like losing or getting killed then its fine, but if you want to win use a good gun! Its like me playing gears deliberately ignoring power weapons saying " I will get kills to easily I want it tough" there is no point!

Tell that to GOLEAFSGO. He doesn't use the Boom, Ink, Frags etc. Apparently they are too easy to kill with. I am not going to stop him though, free Boomshot for me.

[123MAN]

The OP is banned. I wouldn't bother posting in here (other than this one time).

Lol. Guess another one bites the dust.

[rafaeltaua]

Imagine you could play two matches.
The first match is made of 10 players using only gnashers.
The second match is made of 10 players using only retro.
what match would you like to play?

[123MAN]

Imagine you could play two matches.
The first match is made of 10 players using only gnashers.
The second match is made of 10 players using only retro.
what match would you like to play?

The second one for sure. If I wanted all Gnasher I could go play GoW or GoW 2.

[LEGI0N47]

For me it's because a lot of players that use it would not perform nearly as well without it. while this is not true to everyone if you put another gun in most of their hands things would be vastly different in many cases. Also i feel it performs outside it's intended niche adding to my previous statement. Lastly not only is to astonishingly powerful it has IMO the most ridiculous 2-piece in the game.

Anymore though i don't really care if someone uses it. Everyone can use it, i can't blaim them for it's obvious prowess in battle, and it probobly fits a lot of people's playstyles. In all honesty all the guns are quite powerful when used correctly, only problem with that is not being prepared with the right one at the right time.

[GOLEAFSGO]

Tell that to GOLEAFSGO. He doesn't use the Boom, Ink, Frags etc. Apparently they are too easy to kill with. I am not going to stop him though, free Boomshot for me.

I use all those... not the boom though, I don't have fun with it and prefer to let my mates use it. I played with you once don't be judgmental.


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[ZNC1990]

I used to be a defender of the Retro but as it got its long ranged damage buffed and the Hammerburst got slightly nerfed it actually seems at least a little "overpowered" to me ( and GOD I ****ing hate the phase overpowered.... and hate constant "nerfs" even more) but the definition of an overpowered weapon is basicly a weapon that out-preforms all other weapons in their specialty, which I believe it does now to a certain extent.
I never call for nerfs but I do think its a bit ridiculous that the "short-range rifle" can often beat both shotguns at extremely close to point-blank range, the Lancer at medium range with little difficulty, and deals almost as much damage as the Hammerburst at long range which makes the HB seem a little redundant now and that used to be my favorite rifle but now due to extreme Gnasher sponging and my Hammerburst feeling like it shoots airsoft pellets the majority of my time on Gears 3 is spent "Lancer Whoring" because its the only starter weapon that seems to not get sponged and also feels like it maintains at least some level of skill to use effectively and is capable of supporting my team whereas the Retro to me now seems like it has the lowest skill gap and it used mainly by people who are kill-greedy lone wolf style players and it doesn't seem like a very "Gears-like" weapon. Just my 2 cents I don't expect anything to come from this just sharing an opinion.

[Legendary82]

I love the retro. Keeps back the shotty addicts lol

[gloves78]

Because the retro is not fun AT ALL. It takes no effort. Getting a kill with the retro is not even remotely satisfying. If I wanted cheap call of duty like action, I'd go play the real thing.

It's great fun maybe your the one that's not fun.

Especially in sniper on sand bar when guys just keep trying to rush you only to be hip fired down by the retro. Now that's satisfying.

And I'm a gnasher addict too 70% of my kills are with gnasher. But the retro is great fun. That's why I use it "for fun"

[NP473L]

It's great fun maybe your the one that's not fun.

Especially in sniper on sand bar when guys just keep trying to rush you only to be hip fired down by the retro. Now that's satisfying.

And I'm a gnasher addict too 70% of my kills are with gnasher. But the retro is great fun. That's why I use it "for fun"

Woah woah! Hold up. Your load out on Sandbar is Retro/Gnasher?

[ChocolateBacon]

Woah woah! Hold up. Your load out on Sandbar is Retro/Gnasher?

I don't know why people even play on Sandbar. If I join a match on Sandbar, I leave instantly.

I cannot remember the last time I completed a full game on it.

[Pandut]

Probably because it's broken. No way in hell that weapon should be able to best a Hammerburst or Lancer beyond Medium range.

[NP473L]

I don't know why people even play on Sandbar. If I join a match on Sandbar, I leave instantly.

I cannot remember the last time I completed a full game on it.

Sandbar and Bullet Marsh are on my list for that. I'll normally stick around (no idea why) but they're certainly not to my taste

OT: it says a lot if one can do well on an enormous map with a Retro, although you did say everyone was pushing you like an idiot. Though you seemed to imply that was the case multiple times. Can you find a way to let me play with such players too?

[TheEnvironment]

The retro outclasses EVERY starter weapon. A new player can easily dominate, and keeping enemies at bay due to it being a retro lancer.
The new player doesn't even have to know how to use it.

[IBYCFOTA]

When I think of all the seemingly unavoidable deaths I've experienced in Gears, almost all of them have come at the hands of a Retro user. That bothers me immensely. Neither the Lancer, Gnasher, Sawed Off, or Hammerburst leave you dead to rights the way that the Retro does on a consistent basis. That feeling of helplessness is one that you would expect to be dished out from a power weapon that two enemies fought over, not one that was given to a player at the start of the round.

Before I always started with the Lancer or HB and then switched to the Retro when the game become infested with them. With the frequency of Retro users rising by the day, I'm starting to think the only option is to use it as my default rifle. It's a shame that nobody plays Alpha.

[Phlegethon]

The retro outclasses EVERY starter weapon. A new player can easily dominate, and keeping enemies at bay due to it being a retro lancer.
The new player doesn't even have to know how to use it.

I agree with this completely. Furthermore;

When I think of all the seemingly unavoidable deaths I've experienced in Gears, almost all of them have come at the hands of a Retro user. That bothers me immensely. Neither the Lancer, Gnasher, Sawed Off, or Hammerburst leave you dead to rights the way that the Retro does on a consistent basis. That feeling of helplessness is one that you would expect to be dished out from a power weapon that two enemies fought over, not one that was given to a player at the start of the round.

Before I always started with the Lancer or HB and then switched to the Retro when the game become infested with them. With the frequency of Retro users rising by the day, I'm starting to think the only option is to use it as my default rifle. It's a shame that nobody plays Alpha.

The Retro definitely plays like a power weapon. If they took it out of the loadout and put it on maps (like where Grinder is on Checkout) then I'd be okay with it.
I can avoid every gun just about. But if I get targeted by the Retro, I'm pretty much dead. And I don't rush Retro users so it's not like I had it coming. I'll be avoiding Gnasher shots with some good evading, only to get instadowned by the damned Retro.

Nerf it.
*grabs pitchfork and flaming torch*

[IBYCFOTA]

I should clarify that when I said almost all the unavoidable deaths I'd experienced have come from the Retro, I'm talking strictly starting weapons. Although now that I think about it, with the exception of the Boomshot and now the OP scorcher the rest of the power weapons don't give me that same feeling of imminent death. Pretty scary when you sit back and think about it.