Seriously 3.0 Discussion

[DestroWod]

"WHAT WHERE THEY THINKIN' !!!" as James Rolph the AVGN would say....

I think its fair to say that past the launch games with there "Become #1 rank in the world" its probably one of the most exagerated achievement ever. I will watch my words here cause i know if i say really what i think about this achievement, i would probably get banned, so ill keep using non vulgar words...

But well, i wonder really what the creator(s) of this achievement had in mind. We usually blame Rod or Cliff(and a lot of time its deserving) for stuff in this game, but its because there the front guys in term of speaking. They are not the only ones working on that game, and im really wondering sometimes if this idea came from them or not. But whoever had the idea of this achievement.... well here it is...

I wonder if the purpose was indeed intended to be to actually do everything the "right way", like playing a total of 18 000 games total, actually really doing 1000 grenade sapping or doing 6000 pistol kills... Or in a different way of seeing this, if they really tough players would enjoy doing SO MUCH of EVERYTHING in the game, like Beast, Horde or campaign.

Sure a lot of the stuff in the achievement requirements are normal... doing 6000 gnasher kills is easy, 6000 explosive also comes with time. Playing 4000 total games is pretty much fun cause you can play the mode you want. But then there is the weapon gringing... I do use a boltok when i came, my pistol is also usefull on ocasion to kill somebody if he run away and im out of ammo. But doing 6000 kills with them? Way over the top... What i do righ now is pretty much grind the "meatshield" kills(because frankly its rare i get one of those online, when you have a meatshield the guy will usually get away and your force to let it go) so it up my pistol kills, and when i play online, everytime i got a chance(when im clear) i pull out my pistol. This is one of the reason why i still dont have my onyx gnasher for exemple....

Then we could argue on the favorite rifle... for me its the retro, but i do enjoy using a lancer on the more open maps. But i never play with the hammerburst, i despise that gun, so its a big 6000 grind to do in private... wich annoys me a lot. At least i always have my pistol on me... but i never have an hammerburst online...

Then after the weapon grinding... this is the stuff you wouldn't normally do. Im a VS player, so lets say if there was no seriously 3.0 i wouldn't had never max horde stuff, or beast stuff. Doing this was like working... really long and boring... Well can't say i "hate" these mode, there fun on ocasion, but never as much as i did them for the requirement.

Campaign : I loved my first run, doing it on insane was hard(especially since outside the boss, we didn't put any mutators) but it was ok... that was normal stuff to do, most games have an achievement for doing it on the hardest difficulty... But then there is the very DUMB stuff. How many times i got x10 the right way doing campaign? once or twice... not more. For the first half i did the anvil gate fort, then i realize the dizzy rescue chapter where easier and now for the second half im doing this.. Its long and boring to do the same thing over and over again. Not to mention im glad house of sands was there for the rest... damn... The campaign was excellent, but its a campaign.... there so much time you can do it before getting tired of it... I rather do it one more time in 2 years and have fun redoing it that getting an overdose of it right now...

Then the VS games, even for a VS player like me, there is so much i can do. I love Execution, i like Warzone, and i got used to TDM... kinda like it now. But i don't like KOTH, and CTL is not really my thing outside on ocasion... I don't like to have to jump in the mosh pit to get kills and such... i rather just hunt for people... Then Wingman... i barely did 10 games of this... legit way. Its not at all my thing.... yet i will need to do 3000 games of it

Ok there is the idle boosting... but sadly it affects your general stats and this piss me off... i have no choice but to accept it, but this really annoys me a lot...

So basically this cover much of the requirements... the question is "what was in mind of epic when they did this", especially after the seriously 2.0 that ended up as a grind for much of the players. Even me, a die hard gow fans, that played SO MUCH of the game, even if GOW2 was not for me on par with GOW1, i did around 55 000 kills ranked... didn't play much of the rest... So well... that was still a grind for the remaining...

So why in GOW3 they didn't came with something more achievable in a right way. SOMETHING FUN... Isn't the purpose of the achievement system to make game last longer and get the most fun of them? With achievements like seriously 3.0 you either get the normal people that will say "forget that... ill never get it" and the hardcore achievement w... well achievement fannatics that will grind it in record time just because they don't even care about GOW... they will mostly idle boost everything they can and use 2 controllers for the rest.

Anyway, where im trying to go is... does the guys at epic did this on purpose to annoy gamers? Did they do it in a "evil intended" way, or does they simply tough it would be fun and make the game last longer?

The thing is, the achievement hunters that really care to get everything in a game will buy the DLC anyway cause there achievements link with it, so you can't say this achievement was made to make the most cash out of the DLC...

I see no valid reason to this achievement whatsoever... Cause like i said, the real achievements "fanatics" will grind it in the cheapest and quickest way possible, the rest will just dont care about it... The big fans of GOW will continue playing the game anyway... even if there nothing left to do on an achievement standard.

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Anyway whats coming out of it is that its just badly seen by most people. There is no way in the world anybody would REALLY do this achievement LEGIT, people loves to ... you know... play other game, not to mention most people have ... well A LIFE and do something else outside Video game.

Im a true gearhead, i try to get as many "merchandise" as i can, i love GOW, its my most played game on live since the first in 2006. I play different games too, but nothing comparing to the GOW games... Thats normal i wanna have the full pts on every GOW, cause i feel this game is like my baby in a way... figuratively speaking. For exemple.. i play Halo, yet i don't care if i don't get all the pts... im an ocasional halo player, so thats normal i dont have everything in the game...

But GOW right now is really testing my patience... i tough Mortal Kombat and his "my kung fu is stronger" was the worst grind ever... i almost have finish it, but then i look at GOW and i think to myself.... DAMN IT Ill never get it.... I work hard on it... really hard but damn more i advance, more i feel depress.... It should be the other way around, but at first the bronze medals where coming fast, that was kinda fun, but since i got most of it in Gold... and im not at half of it for a bunch of them(for exemple, gold sapper is 200, onyx is 1000 ????) i feel really depressed. When i check my wingman games at 100... and i know i have 2900 left ... im beyond depress....

Sorry for the book, but to finish this, i would say i hope to never ever see an achievement like this in a video game. Achievements should be fun mostly, hard in some parts like doing the game on the hardest setting, but never time consuming and turning like a work.

Im glad im mostly unemployed right now(i work 1 day a week) cause i imagine if i was not , there would be no way i could get this...

Thats one of the big question im asking to epic when i look at that achievement. Do you guys tough about people having jobs, or schools, or girlfriends? Cause for somebody having those... this achievement will take like 3 years to do... and thats if they only play GOW and nothing else....

And not to mention the always big risk of getting reset.... that always hang around your head like an axe waiting to slip down...

I think those are things epic should had think about and i wish microsoft would put a limit to achievements in general, like rules that developers could not cross. Seriously 3.0 is basically like having 60 achievements more in the game, its like disguising 60 achievements in 1... wich should be against the rules of microsoft that you can only have 50 achievements per retails....

[Jim Tuna]

Seriously 3.0 is supposed to be hard to get. The developers even said that not everyone will get it. If they made it easier to get, then having it wouldn't be so special anymore. What do you think every achievement should be obtainable in a short amount of time? And no, games should NOT be limited to 50 achievements per game. Why wouldn't you want achievements with DLC?

[S2501Y]

Seriously 3.0 is supposed to be hard to get. The developers even said that not everyone will get it. If they made it easier to get, then having it wouldn't be so special anymore. What do you think every achievement should be obtainable in a short amount of time? And no, games should NOT be limited to 50 achievements per game. Why wouldn't you want achievements with DLC?

Thank you Jim Tuna, well said and clearly stated.

"microsoft would put a limit to achievements in general, like rules that developers could not cross" WTF??? HELL NO. WHY EVEN SAY THAT CRAP...???

Your book sucks, turn the page and talk about something else, instead of whining like the rest...

"Im glad im mostly unemployed right now" then WHY are you complaining...? you can sit down and do your stuff your own way, different gamers play in different ways (solo, joint, boosting whatever).

"i feel really depressed." then MOVE on, go play halo or something different.

I for one am getting close to 3.0, and as a dedicated gears, I'm up for all and anything ^_^ WOOOOOO, I don't care about other people complaining or whining, because I'm not, I'm loving every moment of this since gears 1 along with a lot of other players out there. (i play for fun, helping others out and getting achievements whether its with my friends or new players)

Events are awesome, and Epic are one of the few developers out there who actually keep their games updated and supported in many ways and forms, new DLC, new events, skins etc.

3.0 keeps gears alive even when new DLC is put into play, and carries on to entertain, its not one of those crap games out there that only has a few crappy achievements and is not meant to live long (with no support). Gears always is and will be entertaining to play whether your a fan or not.

At the end of the day, its a game; a damn fine game, games are supposed to be a challenge, and gears is one of them.

3.0 is whether YOU want to DO it or NOT, no one is going to tell you to do it, at the end of the day its your own decision; quit moaning. ("">.<)/"

[R1VE7HEAD]

I executed my first nemesis legitly on-line today. It involved running into heavily fortified territory to get my execution. I died while executing so it was a suicide mission. I consider myself to be generally sub-average at multi-player even though my K/D is ~1.5 so at this rate the game has been out for 5 months x 100 = 500 months before I get the 100 nemesis so in another 41 years I'll have my Seriously unless I boost for this.

[DestroWod]

Seriously 3.0 is supposed to be hard to get. The developers even said that not everyone will get it. If they made it easier to get, then having it wouldn't be so special anymore. What do you think every achievement should be obtainable in a short amount of time? And no, games should NOT be limited to 50 achievements per game. Why wouldn't you want achievements with DLC?

I have friends that still don't have the level 100 achievement of GOW2, and would it had not been for epic's x3 millions xp thingy at the end, i would had several friends that would not have it. Epic choose to basically give it away for free at the end... That was there decision... Now they come back with an out of mind achievement that simply take forever with many risk of loosing everything along the line due to simple bugs....

Achievements should be long sure, but not THAT long and especially not that style, having you to do hundred of hours of stuff you don't really like. Seriously 1.0 was long yet fun, you could play the mode you like, kill with whatever you liked too. Seriously 2.0 was dumb cause of the campaign boosting, they should had rather made it 25 000 kills for online play and horde only, no campaign. Seriously 3.0 should had been 50 000 total kills, horde/beast included... hell even the campaign could had been included this time, cause yeah there is a couple place to rack kills easily like the anvil gate fort, but its nowhere near the brumak of GOW2... 50 kills in 10 secs.... But thing is, kills could had been earned the way we wanted...

Now what piss me off to the outer limits is that i can't even do pistol kills or such in horde... wich should had been allowed... especially considering the crazy amount of time i spent there for the other medals, even if horde isn't really my thing.

Then the damn game count numbers, wich is just over the top... I can't understand anybody that could back epic on this, cause this is obviously just some crappy boosting required medals... NOBODY will really play that many games online... nobody.... unless you have 4 brothers playing on the same account or something like that and an xbox running days and nights.

So what piss me off the most is that this achievement wont be eanred by the true gears head... no, it will be mostly earned by the true achievement boosters... mostly. Sucks to have to let your xbox run at night for an achievement, and sometimes even if it look dumb at first look, im suspecting a conspiracy by microsoft to burn the mpst xbox so people buy warrenties or buy more xbox total... Ok that last part was sarcasms but really its not good to let your xbox turn days and night..... and when like me its your "all around dvd player/xvid reader" , thats not good at all...

Then i never said a game couldn't had more than 50 achievements total, i was talking about the retail product. Remember Orange Box, it had more because mostly that was 3 games in one package with 2 add ons... Retail games usually never exceed 50 achievements... and only DLC had more. Seriously 3.0 itself is like 60 something more achievements...

I for one am getting close to 3.0, and as a dedicated gears, I'm up for all and anything ^_^ WOOOOOO, I don't care about other people complaining or whining, because I'm not, I'm loving every moment of this since gears 1 along with a lot of other players out there. (i play for fun, helping others out and getting achievements whether its with my friends or new players)

Events are awesome, and Epic are one of the few developers out there who actually keep their games updated and supported in many ways and forms, new DLC, new events, skins etc.

3.0 keeps gears alive even when new DLC is put into play

Sure epic support the game and all, im not saying otherwise, but seriously 3.0 dosen't keep the game alive more or less.... People either love GOW or they don't. Most people like me would play would there still be achievements to do or not. I kept playing GOW1 til 2009(around when they made GOW2 a "playable" game, cause it was a mess at release... smoke rag doll... no thanks) and i had long done the achievements. I would still play GOW3 achievements or not.

The difference would be i could go play online with my friends in execution or tdm more and not have to grind mulcher kills in private KOTH boosting heavy weapons medal(cause i barely use them online) , the camper ribbon... ooops sorry, button up ribbon(im not a cover camper) KOTH games(cause i dont like that mode plain and simple) and hammerburst (cause i dont use that rifle at all online)

I could play the GOW i love... not the aspect of GOW i find boring and feel like im actually at work. Do you say you enjoy grinding kills in private? cause i have NO FUN whatsoever in destroying bots... I think the last time i had fun killing bots was perfect dark on n64... you know... when online gaming on consol was not even in place... Of course there is game like Quake 3 and such but thats a different thing, its like a campaign and you advance true ladders. But pure bot killing for the enjoyment of bot killings... yeah perfect dark...

Its just way more fun to beat up real dudes... when you down somebody, go grab the mulcher, come back and execute them, thats entertaining... doing this to a bot.. would be pointless...

Anyway, bottom line is an achievement should awarded for skill players, not for "no-lifers boosters" like seriously 3,0. Cause outside a few "hard" medals(and even there, mutators and such can help you) this is just pure grinding...

Would they just low the games number to 1000 for every mode... i would actually feel its now more decent... got to admit the whole 3000 games per modes is what is the most truly over the top

[DestroWod]

This was posted by Obi-Brown on a different website, i permit myself to quote it cause its just the truth...

you wanna know why i don't boost for the 3000 matches? it's cus i'm affraid of the cost of the extra electric consumption that leaving the xbox on all the time would produce.

here's my ***** for today
EPICs unreasonable expectations of what someone should do for an achievement!
It would be stupid to make an achievement that can only be gotten through boosting, so I presume epic expect us to get all their achievements through normal play.

So how long would you have to play normally to get seriously 3.0 without boosting?

lets take for example the 3000 versus matches onyx. In my experience a regular quick match of online versus can take between 5 and 20 mins. so lets take 10 mins per match as a very generous average

3000 x 10 min matches = 30,000mins
so for all 6 game types that's 180,000mins
3,000 hours
125 days of solid gameplay

If one were to treat gears 3 as a 9 to 5 job monday to friday, this would take
375 working days
or 75 working weeks

So... Epic seem to think that working 9 to 5 for a year and a half (and that's for only 6 of the medals needed) is worth only 100gs.

Epic... be reasonable

[WoundsOfDeath]

My opinion on Seriously 3.0:

I love how hard it is. I played Black Ops until I was 15th prestige level 50. With no goal ahead of me, I just lost interest. Having goals, both distant and near, is what keeps me playing a game. Medals and level-ups are more of a short term goal, while Seriously 3.0 is a long term goal. It keeps me playing the game.

What I do not like is the actual content of the achievement. The contents of your long term goals need to be something to play for, but they are currently something to boost for. I need to play something and actually feel like I'm getting somewhere, but with most of the medals I feel that playing for a few hours does NOT get me anywhere. Leaving the xbox on overnight does a lot more for my medals, but an achievement should be a goal WHILE playing.

I know Seriously 3.0 shouldn't be changed drastically anymore, but this is what I think an achievement like Seriously 3.0 should look like. Consider the following to be medals that need to be unlocked for S3.0:

- Complete Beast mode on insane without failing a wave.
- Complete Beast mode on all maps shipper with the game.
- Complete Campaign on insane.
- Complete Campaign in 4 player Co-op.
- Complete Horde mode on Insane.
- Complete Horde mode on all maps shipped with the game.
- Get 12 kills in 50 matches of warzone (quick match/ranked).
- Get 12 kills in 50 matches of execution (quick match/ranked).
- Get 18 kills in 50 matches of team deathmatch (quick match/ranked).
- Win 50 matches of King of the Hill by getting a shut-out (quick match/ranked).
- Win 50 matches of wingman without dying (quick match/ranked).
- Win 50 matches of CTL by getting both captures and without losing a roun (quick match/ranked).

These achievements are very hard or impossible to boost and still require dedication, effort and skill.

[DestroWod]

Personally i got to first prestige in Black Ops in 2 weeks... i never had prestige any COD cause honestly i wasn't playing these game that much but mostly as an average player to say the least i didn't want to loose my guns and claymores etc.... BUT for BO i had a natural talent, at least way more than say MW2, and it took only 2 weeks to get there(i played a lot tough when the game came out) so well... i prestige but then i realize how it was not giving me anything at all... So i never prestige again after that... I rather had all my equipement to perform more than just simply upping my level for no reason. Got to admit i stoped a while to play BO until they fixed the host migration, this frustrated me so bad to get losses for game that bugged and i was winning.... But even when i resumed...i could had do 2-3 more prestige... but i didn't saw the need for it... I loved better the elite #00 way of rainbow six vegas 2.

Anyway to get back on subject for your sugestion, i like the first part for horde and beast and such... but i don't like the requirement for MP cause they again force you to play stuff you just don't like it. Thats one of my concern for S3.0, playing stuff i don't like. I don't mind a CTL on ocasion, hell even a KOTH on very rare ocasion... to change a bit, but i would never play any wingman online, i hate that mode, i think GOW is just not made to be this AT ALL. So having to go trough 50 !!!! of those without dying... NO FRIGGIN WAY. That would only force us to play at weird hours to be sure to get BOTs...

Not to mention even as a skilled player like i am(at least i think im kinda good at this game) i can't say i got that much game of 18+ kills of TDM when there was only humans in the room.... happened a few times, but that mean my team didn't poop... and i don't stay long with crappy team, not to mention the other team would have to be bad as well...

Lets take your first set of requirement(that i think are perfect)

- Complete Beast mode on insane without failing a wave.
- Complete Beast mode on all maps shipper with the game.
- Complete Campaign on insane.
- Complete Campaign in 4 player Co-op.
- Complete Horde mode on Insane.
- Complete Horde mode on all maps shipped with the game.

Add those for MP

- Get 25 000 total MP Kills (quick/rank)
- Win 2500 total MP Games (Quick/Rank)

This may only be 2 requirement, but there long to achieve, and i think 25 000 is perfect as a number considering the first game was 10 000, and now you have respawn modes that allow you to make way more kills. For an average skilled player, this could take like 6 to 8 months... (remember i say average skilled...not super beastly players)

You could even add a few side line requirements... like

- Kill 1000 people with greandes(all sorts)
- Kill 5000 people with Shotties(all sorts)
- Kill 2000 people with rifles (all sorts)
- Kill 5000 people with pick ups weapons (all sorts)
- Execute 1000 people(all sorts of executions)

Those would spice up things a bit, and add variety do the 25 000 requirement, without having player to force/boost some of the kills cause they never use the weapon(like the heavy weapons that is way over the top at 6000, even if there 3 of them)

[Chozo_Lord]

Seriously 3.0 is supposed to be hard to get. The developers even said that not everyone will get it. If they made it easier to get, then having it wouldn't be so special anymore. What do you think every achievement should be obtainable in a short amount of time? And no, games should NOT be limited to 50 achievements per game. Why wouldn't you want achievements with DLC?

No, here's where you are wrong. Seriously 3.0 is not hard to get by any means. It's actually really easy. But it takes such a crazy amount of play-time and boosting, that's what people don't like about it. There are good Achievements and bad Achievements when it comes to playing games.

Good Achievement = Beat this boss in under x amount of time on the hardest difficulty. That would be an Achievement done right.

Bad Achievement = Beat this boss 1000 times. So obviously this one can be compared to Gears 3. That doesn't take any skill like the first one. It takes time. That's why people have a problem with Seriously 3.0.

I'm just going to boost my way there. I suppose it's what Epic wanted, otherwise we wouldn't be able to get the multiplayer medals in private matches.

[WoundsOfDeath]

Good Achievement = Beat this boss in under x amount of time on the hardest difficulty. That would be an Achievement done right.

Bad Achievement = Beat this boss 1000 times. So obviously this one can be compared to Gears 3. That doesn't take any skill like the first one. It takes time. That's why people have a problem with Seriously 3.0.

Quoted for truth. I'd rather have a list of several very hard objectives, than several easy objectives that I have to do 1000 times.

[DestroWod]

Yeah well this is true in some extent... I wouldn't like something hardly impossible, like lets say... Ninja Gaiden on the hardest difficulty setting... (ouch) but something that require skill yet doable. Like i said, many people aren't that good at GOW3... doing 25 000 kills would be one hell of a challenge if they can't do it versus bots...(at least not in private) Yet for me(and probably you too) this would take a long yet reasonable ammount of time to do...

Like i said, i would figure around 6 months for 25 000 kills online, yet i play a TONS of GOW3, so for a guy that play other game more, or have a familly(kids, wife), a big job( both things i don't have) it could take double that time...

I can't believe GOW3 seriously 3.0 will take me around a year, maybe more, and yet i spend easily 4 hours + on GOW everyday.... thats very terrible of an achievement if you ask me. And thats if i choose(and guess ill have no choice) to boost at least wingman and maybe 1 or 2 more modes....)

[Jim Tuna]

No, here's where you are wrong. Seriously 3.0 is not hard to get by any means. It's actually really easy. But it takes such a crazy amount of play-time and boosting, that's what people don't like about it. There are good Achievements and bad Achievements when it comes to playing games.

Good Achievement = Beat this boss in under x amount of time on the hardest difficulty. That would be an Achievement done right.

Bad Achievement = Beat this boss 1000 times. So obviously this one can be compared to Gears 3. That doesn't take any skill like the first one. It takes time. That's why people have a problem with Seriously 3.0.

I'm just going to boost my way there. I suppose it's what Epic wanted, otherwise we wouldn't be able to get the multiplayer medals in private matches.

Well like I said, Seriously 3.0 isn't for everyone. I see what you are saying about the good/bad achievements. The achievement is all about it taking a lot of grinding and time to get. That was the purpose of the achievement. It is a goal that will keep people playing the game for a long time. I know some people have already stated that they will never get it, and I know some people who already have it. Those people of course boosted, but not everyone does that. Epic probably won't release another Gears title for quite some time, so they wanted a reason for people to keep playing this game for a long time. Kudos to anyone who gets it.

[SewnMouthSecret]

I agree with both sides of this debate. I think 3000 for each gametype is crazy, but 18,000 matches if it was a combined total and didn't matter what you played would be okay. I like the fact that 3.0 will take a long time, but at the same time I hate the fact that so much of it requires doing things that fall way outside of people's play styles. I hate the SOS and frankly, I feel like an idiot using it in public matches. I hardly use the pistol, and almost never get my hands on the mulcher or mortar. Those will be mind-numbingly boring in private matches to grind out. The totals are insidious. If you look back at the leader boards on GOW2 and see how many matches of certain game types people played, the 18,000 really isn't that bad, but the 3,000 per blows.

[SewnMouthSecret]

Like Jim Tuna said, Kudos.

[DestroWod]

Those people of course boosted, but not everyone does that. Epic probably won't release another Gears title for quite some time, so they wanted a reason for people to keep playing this game for a long time. Kudos to anyone who gets it.

Thing is the achievement is IMPOSSIBLE without boosting, at least part of it. I don't know anybody who would play 3000 games of each type for real, or kill 6000 persons with mulcher/mortar/one shot. Lets be honest if you get 2 kills per game with a one shot against real dudes, your lucky. Mortar its mostly luck also if you play against real dude, it depend of there skill... And the mulcher, i do admit i love to use it on azura but only against "noobs" cause if i play a good team ill get my head pop up by the sniper...

Im working on this achievement slowly , unlike some people cause i do enjoy playing gow and i can't boost for more than 30 minutes without going crazy of boredom... and i have around 1700 hammerburst kills, 2000 heavy weapons.... YEAH... 4000 to go mostly... and its been already 5 months the game is out... Sure i got to admit the horde/beast boosting is almost completely done, only comand post and a couple heavy lefs, and campaign stuff same thing, but still... there is a ton remaining anyway.

18,000 matches if it was a combined total and didn't matter what you played would be okay

Dude, i played a tons of GOW2... more than most people, i racked up 55 000 total kills rank, i don't have many friends that where close to me and think only 1 or 2 that had more kills than me, and those where guardian players, i was an execution player.... this was a lot of kills for a lot of games, and yet i only did around 5000 games... so FAR FROM 18 000. This number is way over the top even if you could play whatever you like. Keep in mind we are talking boosting free reasonable here... so no private matches boosting.

For 5 months or GOW3 i have around 2500 real games played(not counting my bot farming matches) so i think i will go over my GOW2 mark probably on the long term... but lets say in a year i would have around 5000... make 2 years 10000, and thats if i still have the will to play GOW as much. Think that most people will get tired of a game with time....

I will say 5000 total games should had been way enough....

[Jim Tuna]

Thing is the achievement is IMPOSSIBLE without boosting, at least part of it. I don't know anybody who would play 3000 games of each type for real, or kill 6000 persons with mulcher/mortar/one shot. Lets be honest if you get 2 kills per game with a one shot against real dudes, your lucky. Mortar its mostly luck also if you play against real dude, it depend of there skill... And the mulcher, i do admit i love to use it on azura but only against "noobs" cause if i play a good team ill get my head pop up by the sniper...

Im working on this achievement slowly , unlike some people cause i do enjoy playing gow and i can't boost for more than 30 minutes without going crazy of boredom... and i have around 1700 hammerburst kills, 2000 heavy weapons.... YEAH... 4000 to go mostly... and its been already 5 months the game is out... Sure i got to admit the horde/beast boosting is almost completely done, only comand post and a couple heavy lefs, and campaign stuff same thing, but still... there is a ton remaining anyway.

I think this is what people need to realize. The achievement is a gradual process. The only medals that are the most time consuming are the matches played medals. I know many people that play private matches to get the medals faster, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they boost. Ten guys play one round matches of Warzone or Execution. They are very serious about winning just like they would be in QM or Ranked, but the matches come faster. I know there are people who abuse this by idle boosting as, but that just comes with the territory.

The point I am trying to make is that I do not think Seriously 3.0 should have any different requirements. Am I looking forward to playing all those Wingman matches? No, but one day I will play them. Right now I am just trying to focus on Embry Star and see where I go from there. I might not even get Seriously 3.0, but I do not want Epic to change the requirements so that I do get it.

[DestroWod]

Personally i did around 12 quick wingman and that was on the VERY INTENSE demand of one of my former friend, who happened to be VERY skilled at the game, that was the only way i was gonna do that mode. And even then, i realize how it sucks that when you enter, you almost always get a loss for the first game, unlike TDM or Execution when you have other rounds to come back. Here you enter and its already 8 pts for the leading team... well good luck coming back... even if you have skilled players that don't die that much... cause unlike any other mode, you can go true a full wingman game without dying and still loose the match... I just hate that mode, and i have 100 flush played right now, but i won't hide that past my 12 quicks and 1 rank(again, at the demand of a friend) i BOOSTED(even if i played them) the rest and that was boring... I was grinding my meatshield kills... but well... still very boring to do.

And 10 guys playing warzone 1 round private... i doubt there can be anything serious about this... spending more time in the loading than actually playing... BOF really...

Personally i wish the requirement would be change, at least for the game played... cause right now, those really are bad

[o A R T S Y o]

Before you make another ridiculously long thread again, please learn to spell and use proper grammar.

[Dutchmaster Guru]

Before you make another ridiculously long thread again, please learn to spell and use proper grammar.

Geeze grammar police. Even if people spell everything phonetically and don't use punctuation it is generally very easy to figure out what they are talking about.....remember English isn't the first language for everyone on the forums so lighten up. Your not obligated to post on every thread so if you don't know what something means or can't figure it out hit the back button and move on. No need to be rude. Have a lovely day.

[DestroWod]

Before you make another ridiculously long thread again, please learn to spell and use proper grammar.

Pretty much like Dutchmaster says, i dosen't speak english by birth... i did my best to make it as easy to understand as possible. I used blocs of text and didn't stuck everything together. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say... exist is over there -}

[XaldinXenotrix]

I remember when I first started grinding out Seriously 3.0, idle boosting-bot farming-chapter checkpoint reloading-and at some point I realized this thing just wasn't worth sacrificing my sanity. Sure ill eventually end up getting every other Achievement in this game, but otherwise im ok with leaving this one alone. I didn't mind the Campaign and Horde Medals so much because most of them were fun to get, but when you look at multiplayer there really was something else going on there in the grand scheme of things.

I cant really be sure but after doing the math on Kill Medals' which can be gotten while going for Match Medals' I am unsure how they expected us to get this done anytime soon let alone at all. I myself am an Achievement Hunter but I do draw a line at certain ones when it comes to giving up my time that is better deserved towards family and work, not to mention OTHER GAMES-however this could be argued if you check some of the other grinding achievements I have obtained.

Now with the notion that this achievement takes no skill is sort of wrong, Given that there are medals that require enough skill to complete the campaign/horde/beast modes on the hardest difficulty (save for mutators but even then its still a pain in the arse) but otherwise yes there is the ridiculousness of the amount of weapon kills that make better sense to have been counted on OTHER GAME MODES BESIDES VERSUS. I argue this because if Epic allowed us to obtain medals in private matches then whats stopping them from allowing kills from horde/beast/campaign counting for versus weapon killing medals as well? (Yes I know thats because there VERSUS MEDALS but be realistic here, even if I Didn't have a Gold account on Xbox-live, playing against bots really doesn't seem like a versus match to me in a PRIVATE MATCH-but at least we have the option none-the-less.

But whatever right? It's just a game. Weather or not Epic plans on changing it remains to be seen, otherwise you either grind the heck out of it-or just write it off. Besides grinding for this thing alone after first finishing the campaign was the main reason I almost sold the game in the first place. Instead I just didn't play it for awhile until I noticed that Raven Down was returning as a new map in Multiplayer. That was reason enough for me to get into it again, around the same time I got wind of the "RAAM's Shadow DLC" being discounted-which just added to my epiphany and grabbing "Fenix Rising" just for kicks(Yes I really did like Escalation-they did a stellar job on its return). So if I ever do decide to go for Seriously 3.0 maybe Raven Down will be a much easier map in helping me get there.

[DestroWod]

Personally the campaign and horde medals where a pain in the you know what for me. I would had play horde and campaign for sure, campaign is awesome for the first 2 or 3 times, and horde is a fresh breeze on ocasion when your too exhausted or whatever for VS and just wanna chill out with your mates... But THAT MUCH? NAH....

But after having done much of the crappy stuff like i said, im more than ever furious about the game mode medals... Cause

1) I don't wanna play modes i don't like it online, i prefer to stay in Execution and TDM
2) I don't want to scew my K/D and W/L by doing idle boosting.

Anyway... as for what you say on escalation and raven down... i couldn't disagree more.

They did do a great job on bringing back Bullet Marsh, adding the ramps in the medal change the dynamic of this game a lot. BUT escalation and raven down back? The only worst choice possible would had been Rooftop back...

Why not awesome maps that never got a second chance? Process... many power weapon, many way to counter them, it would be awesome in GOW3. Mausoleum... big map that would fit even more with GOW3 5 vs 5... lots of cover to avoid being downed by the uber rifles...

I can understand war machine, mansion and fuel depot all had a remake in GOW2 so there not nessary for GOW3... but bringack back map that where terrible just for the sake of a theme or such... thats not cool. Escalation is as boring as in GOW1, exept trade corner nade tagging for saw off corner shots... (at least there is not 3 sets of nades anymore) and Raven Down was basically a sand square... with nothing in it... unless they had some weapon, it will be the same thing... But again not sure adding weapons in it would be good... considering how small the map is...

[Jim Tuna]

I think Raven Down is going to help me in the process of obtaining my onyx gnasher/sawed-off medals. And the addition of Guardian is going to help with my CTL medal.

[Viper187]

Achievements should be long sure, but not THAT long and especially not that style, having you to do hundred of hours of stuff you don't really like. Seriously 1.0 was long yet fun, you could play the mode you like, kill with whatever you liked too. Seriously 2.0 was dumb cause of the campaign boosting, they should had rather made it 25 000 kills for online play and horde only, no campaign.

Now what piss me off to the outer limits is that i can't even do pistol kills or such in horde... wich should had been allowed... especially considering the crazy amount of time i spent there for the other medals, even if horde isn't really my thing.

Then the damn game count numbers, wich is just over the top... I can't understand anybody that could back epic on this, cause this is obviously just some crappy boosting required medals... NOBODY will really play that many games online... nobody.... unless you have 4 brothers playing on the same account or something like that and an xbox running days and nights.

So what piss me off the most is that this achievement wont be eanred by the true gears head... no, it will be mostly earned by the true achievement boosters... mostly. Sucks to have to let your xbox run at night for an achievement, and sometimes even if it look dumb at first look, im suspecting a conspiracy by microsoft to burn the mpst xbox so people buy warrenties or buy more xbox total... Ok that last part was sarcasms but really its not good to let your xbox turn days and night..... and when like me its your "all around dvd player/xvid reader" , thats not good at all...

Then i never said a game couldn't had more than 50 achievements total, i was talking about the retail product. Remember Orange Box, it had more because mostly that was 3 games in one package with 2 add ons... Retail games usually never exceed 50 achievements... and only DLC had more. Seriously 3.0 itself is like 60 something more achievements...

Sure epic support the game and all, im not saying otherwise, but seriously 3.0 dosen't keep the game alive more or less.... People either love GOW or they don't. Most people like me would play would there still be achievements to do or not. I kept playing GOW1 til 2009(around when they made GOW2 a "playable" game, cause it was a mess at release... smoke rag doll... no thanks) and i had long done the achievements. I would still play GOW3 achievements or not.

Any achievement requiring repetitive play for a number of kills, matches, etc. is pure grinding. I personally disagree with online and special event required achievements in games. I think finishing the campaign on Insane SOLO is a proper challenging achievement. I did Gears 1 solo, but I cheaped out on Gears 2 because I could (got somebody to go casual and kill everything for me). To me it's not fair to simply require X kills in ranked matches like Seriously 1.0 was. I didn't do it. I'm not big on playing against other people. I prefer co-op stuff like Horde. Plus, people boost it whether it requires online or not. Look at Halo Reach. Firefight was ruined by people AFK boosting for their ranks and hiding for Perfectionist and Bungie/343 never properly addressed it. I did all mine legit for 100% commendations (except campaign assists).

Nobody will ever do it right. Halo took 6 months to hit max rank because they limited how much you could gain in 1 day. Great idea: screw the most hardcore fans to slow down boosters. I'll be damned if I'm going to work on something like that 100% legit again if it doesn't even allow me to progress at MY pace. Not to mention getting quit banned on there constantly because of refusing to stay in games full of AFKers. Then, even though I earned my rank and commendations legit, everyone trash talked and called me a booster anyway. I kept a positive KD while maxing out most of the commendations (including assassinations). I'm just not a competitive player. I farmed kills in chaotic objective games in multi-team rather than 4v4. I can play 4v4 and do alright against average players most times, but the hardcore competitive ones rape me. I was damn good in SWAT, then I'd get laggy games. Plus those lovely games where people just ghandi hopped around the map the whole game. That's not fun, and it's not skill. I don't care how anyone justifies it.

I agree with you on the weapon kills. Doing weapon kills in Horde would've been way more fun for people like me than having to boost them in versus. Then having to play 1000s of each game type? Yeah, I'll be boosting those. How can they honestly expect anyone to enjoy every game type enough to play 1000s of matches? It's a booster achievement. Even people that actually like the game almost have to boost some of it.

Actually, I run my Xbox 24/7 even tough I rarely AFK things in games. I take out whatever disc i'm playing and leave it on the dashboard all night, so I can get a quick start in the morning. Some people would actually argue the constantly turning computers on and off causes more wear and tear than simply leaving them run anyway. My current Xbox is a Jasper revision (120GB Elite) that I've had running 24/7 since like September 2010 (got this one in June and lent it to someone for like 2 months). I ordered the Gears 3 console bundle last night, so I'll see what this achievement is really about in a few days. I need a backup console anyway, for obvious reasons (lol). Figured I might as well have the neat looking Gears one while they're being sold. For $350, the deal is comparable to black friday deals anyway. At least I actually want everything that's in this bundle.

Having 50 achievements and having 50 achievements worth doing is two different things. I happen to think the 1000GS limit on retail games is BS (as well as Arcade titles only having 200). To me, Seriously 3.0 should be worth at least 500GS by itself. They should make achievements more worth doing in that respect. I certainly can't be bothered to finish Perfect Dark on XBLA for 200 points. I played it enough on N64.

Continued support can be both a good and bad thing. Plenty of unhappy people on Halo because of continued "support." They made one of the firefight commendations take 10x as long because the casual players whined about matches taking too long. Yet another reason to allow progress for everything in custom/offline matches. You're right though. Either you enjoy the game enough to do all or most of Seriously 3.0 right, or you boost it and move on. I did 100% commendations on Halo without there being an achievements for it. Spent 134 DAYS of playtime on it. For some people the medals/ribbons alone are enough. Half the medals on Halo were unattainable due to playlist configurations and/or the stupid devs copy-pasting things from one medal chest to the other without thinking. That's no fun. Crazy thing is they've done title updates and still refuse to fix it!

Good Achievement = Beat this boss in under x amount of time on the hardest difficulty. That would be an Achievement done right.

Bad Achievement = Beat this boss 1000 times. So obviously this one can be compared to Gears 3. That doesn't take any skill like the first one. It takes time. That's why people have a problem with Seriously 3.0.

No. Sorry. Beating a boss in under a minute on Hard is stupid and pisses people off. Simply beating the boss on an insane difficulty is a good achievement. I DESPISE time based achievements. They suck the fun right out games.

[Chozo_Lord]

I think Raven Down is going to help me in the process of obtaining my onyx gnasher/sawed-off medals. And the addition of Guardian is going to help with my CTL medal.

Or you could play on Checkout, that's what I've been doing. But if Raven Down is smaller then I will definitely switch to that. Also, Guardian adds to the CTL medal?

No. Sorry. Beating a boss in under a minute on Hard is stupid and pisses people off. Simply beating the boss on an insane difficulty is a good achievement. I DESPISE time based achievements. They suck the fun right out games.

Oh, I agree with you. But I was just using that as an example of showing the difference between a grinding Achievement like Seriously 3.0 that doesn't take skill and something that would.

But anyways, I've been leaving my Xbox on over night private match boosting the game type medals. After 4 days or so, I have about 2,000 Warzone matches played. Whenever I am available, I've been playing KoTH on Checkout with 15 round wins and 240 points per round. I usually get about 800 kills a match by doing so. Seriously 3.0 is something else. I think I'll get it in a month at this rate though.

[MongooseRawr]

Seriously 3.0 to me is a dedication achievement. I have been doing my medals for quite some time and am still having my fun with this game. It keeps me playing. It's a rewarding experience for me to get an onyx medal. I don't mind grinding away at this stuff. I'll grind away while on the phone talking to people just plugging away. Grinds are fun for me. Think about why most people kept at Gears 2. Veteran Gear kept people playing. Once I got my veteran gear achievement, I still played, but nowhere near as much.

Oh and completing the campaign on insane is actually easier for people solo than it is with 4 people. I would actually do a lot of it solo because you can get the bots plugging away at the kills for you. When I was doing the arcade on insane mode I would actually do parts of it deliberately without people because they'd keep dieing which would restart our checkpoint.

I can see most people who want 100% gamerscore completion having a problem with this because it prevents them from being 100%. But honestly, I wish more developers would have achievements like these to show who is extremely dedicated to this game. This achievement has given me very big replay value and allows me to keep playing without the need to throw cash at yet another 60 dollar game that won't last long. We need more achievements like these and less achievements like games giving 5g for watching the opening cutscene fully.

There's nothing requiring people to have Seriously 3.0.

[CraKeLL]

Need 3 people to boost ONYX CTL 3000 games, 2rounds so get skunker. Addd CraKeLL

[Chozo_Lord]

Seriously 3.0 to me is a dedication achievement. I have been doing my medals for quite some time and am still having my fun with this game. It keeps me playing. It's a rewarding experience for me to get an onyx medal. I don't mind grinding away at this stuff. I'll grind away while on the phone talking to people just plugging away. Grinds are fun for me. Think about why most people kept at Gears 2. Veteran Gear kept people playing. Once I got my veteran gear achievement, I still played, but nowhere near as much.

Oh and completing the campaign on insane is actually easier for people solo than it is with 4 people. I would actually do a lot of it solo because you can get the bots plugging away at the kills for you. When I was doing the arcade on insane mode I would actually do parts of it deliberately without people because they'd keep dieing which would restart our checkpoint.

I can see most people who want 100% gamerscore completion having a problem with this because it prevents them from being 100%. But honestly, I wish more developers would have achievements like these to show who is extremely dedicated to this game. This achievement has given me very big replay value and allows me to keep playing without the need to throw cash at yet another 60 dollar game that won't last long. We need more achievements like these and less achievements like games giving 5g for watching the opening cutscene fully.

There's nothing requiring people to have Seriously 3.0.

How can you find grinding to be fun? I currently dread getting certain Onyx medals. I don't understand how you can find entertainment out of doing 3,000 curb stomps. And what makes you think we need more Achievements like these? Achievements like these are only a bad excuse for "replay value". Saying that is like saying that a game with a 2 hour long Campaign has an amazing replay value because there's an Achievement for beating the game a million times. They don't need Achievements like these to show who's dedicated and who isn't.

[Chozo_Lord]

Seriously 3.0 to me is a dedication achievement. I have been doing my medals for quite some time and am still having my fun with this game. It keeps me playing. It's a rewarding experience for me to get an onyx medal. I don't mind grinding away at this stuff. I'll grind away while on the phone talking to people just plugging away. Grinds are fun for me. Think about why most people kept at Gears 2. Veteran Gear kept people playing. Once I got my veteran gear achievement, I still played, but nowhere near as much.

Oh and completing the campaign on insane is actually easier for people solo than it is with 4 people. I would actually do a lot of it solo because you can get the bots plugging away at the kills for you. When I was doing the arcade on insane mode I would actually do parts of it deliberately without people because they'd keep dieing which would restart our checkpoint.

I can see most people who want 100% gamerscore completion having a problem with this because it prevents them from being 100%. But honestly, I wish more developers would have achievements like these to show who is extremely dedicated to this game. This achievement has given me very big replay value and allows me to keep playing without the need to throw cash at yet another 60 dollar game that won't last long. We need more achievements like these and less achievements like games giving 5g for watching the opening cutscene fully.

There's nothing requiring people to have Seriously 3.0.

How can you find grinding to be fun? I currently dread getting certain Onyx medals. I don't understand how you can find entertainment out of doing 3,000 curb stomps. And what makes you think we need more Achievements like these? Achievements like these are only a bad excuse for "replay value". Saying that is like saying that a game with a 2 hour long Campaign has an amazing replay value because there's an Achievement for beating the game a million times. They don't need Achievements like these to show who's dedicated and who isn't.

[Jim Tuna]

Or you could play on Checkout, that's what I've been doing. But if Raven Down is smaller then I will definitely switch to that. Also, Guardian adds to the CTL medal?

Yes. They aren't going to add a medal just for Guardian. Guardian matches will count towards your CTL medal. All ribbons except for the rescue ribbon from CTL will be obtainable in Guardian as well.

[DestroWod]

I don't play much of Halo Online, but one thing for sure if there is no achievement for it, i couldn't care for commandation... Im not saying its not fun to see something pop that you did x headshots, but why wanting to max them? Unless your really an enormous fan. But then again... im an enormous gow fan, yet wouldn't there be an achievement for it there is no way i would had play wingman... I wouldn't had care to not max everything....

To me it's not fair to simply require X kills in ranked matches like Seriously 1.0 was. I didn't do it. I'm not big on playing against other people. I prefer co-op stuff like Horde.

Yeah but thats you... I mean, i hate achievements for online modes when the game online is purely rubbish, like The Darkness 1 or Turning Point. BUT GOW3... its an awesome game online, so its normal it does have an achievement like that. I did 5x the seriously in GOW1.... and that was all fun and still i probably have thousands of kills not showing because people quited and the game didn't count. If you simply don't like GOW MP, then you let go the achievement... What piss me off of its current form, is that it require you to play every mode and every gun.... Everybody has his favorite gun, favorite mode... its pretty rare some people will play as much KOTH as they would play Execution...

Having 50 achievements and having 50 achievements worth doing is two different things. I happen to think the 1000GS limit on retail games is BS (as well as Arcade titles only having 200). To me, Seriously 3.0 should be worth at least 500GS by itself. They should make achievements more worth doing in that respect. I certainly can't be bothered to finish Perfect Dark on XBLA for 200 points. I played it enough on N64.

But then who would be the judge to say this game is worth 1000 pts and this one is worth 2000... That would be unfair for developers in a way. Many people buy games strickly based on achievements, this is why some cheesy game have extremely easy achievements as they thor/green lantern/captain america line, because this is one of there sale purpose.

Seriously 3.0 to me is a dedication achievement. I have been doing my medals for quite some time and am still having my fun with this game. It keeps me playing. It's a rewarding experience for me to get an onyx medal. I don't mind grinding away at this stuff. I'll grind away while on the phone talking to people just plugging away. Grinds are fun for me. Think about why most people kept at Gears 2. Veteran Gear kept people playing. Once I got my veteran gear achievement, I still played, but nowhere near as much.

I did around 3 times the veteran gear achievement of GOW2... and the game was not even on par with GOW1 for me.... Having done it didn't made me stop to play. Like some said, i don't understand what you find fun in boosting stuff... Like i said, i will probably end up with over 3000 TDM and Executions matches played in the end....What piss me off is having the same requirement for modes that are way unpopular... and that i dont like period. I know for 1 guy it can be Execution that he loves, another it will be KOTH, i think thats why having to play 1000 matches in every game mode should had been WAY ENOUGH. The rest of the stuff like curb stomp... yeah freagin 3000 curb stomp... why bothering putting new cool executions in the game if i got to do half of the requirement(3000/6000) by doing the GOW2 curb stomp.... The damn SAPPER medal... how many times i got kill trying to sap a damn grenade... I was so mad when i saw it was 1000 for Onyx when it was only 200 for GOLD... i was thinking onyx was 500, that would had been way enought.... Im not even at 400 and i try to sap everything i can....even dying in the process...

Anyway, i said it before and ill say it again, this kind of achievement dosen't make people play longer, they just enrage true fans of the game cause even for them it require endless grinding, when the "pro boosters" will even be able to do the achievement before them.

[MongooseRawr]

I do agree on only some of the medals not being a good idea, vengeful is one easy example. I personally come from a lot of RPGs where grinding was the thing to do. Look at any MMORPG. It's all grinding. It's just fun. Sure, the numbers are very high, but they make it so you're always getting something.

[DestroWod]

I do agree on only some of the medals not being a good idea, vengeful is one easy example. I personally come from a lot of RPGs where grinding was the thing to do. Look at any MMORPG. It's all grinding. It's just fun. Sure, the numbers are very high, but they make it so you're always getting something.

Yeah but dude, a MMORPG is the way to go.... I mean, i played Phantasy Star Online for 3 years total in its different version, the first version had only 4 levels...(separated in 2 or 3 areas each) , the second version added a new difficulty and another 100 levels possible, and last version added 4 new levels... So in total there was like 8 levels, and i manage to up my characters on dreamcast and game cube very high... Yet that was the purpose of the game, co-op play and killing ennemies to lev up, finding new weapons and items.

GOW is a different thing... what is annoying is that every day i got to do 100 or so kills with guns i don't normally use in bot matches(hammerburst for exemple) before going online and REALLY play the game. I got to grind 1 or 2 chapters of X10 if i ever wanna see the end of this too... Then finally i look at my game modes medals and im depress to see i barely done 100 wingman and that i will have to idle boost it. Even KOTH, im not even at 300 so far... I must rinse and repeat the trashball map in KOTH for the cover medal(cause i never get that online... im no camper) and mulcher kills....

All of this purely sucks... period. I rather would go and just... you know... PLAY THE GAME like its intended to be.

How many total kills you need if you count all guns?

6000 heavies
6000 pistols
6000 x5 starting weapons : 30 000
6000 executions
6000 explosives
3000 fire

Total : 57 000 kills (if im not forgetting something)

Thats a damn lot... consider i done 55 000 total kills of GOW2 during 3 years of play... and i was playing a lot of it... more than your average joe... This is a ton of kill... thankfully the game permit bot killing on private but damn...

Yet if they could just switch all these 57 000 and made a global "do 50 000 total kills" That would be SOOOO much better. Cause at least we could play with what we want... not with guns we dont use normally. Or then if they would keep those... make it that horde count...

And they should really low down the requirement for the game played... asking you to do as many wingman as TDM is not good at all...

[MongooseRawr]

Yeah but dude, a MMORPG is the way to go.... I mean, i played Phantasy Star Online for 3 years total in its different version, the first version had only 4 levels...(separated in 2 or 3 areas each) , the second version added a new difficulty and another 100 levels possible, and last version added 4 new levels... So in total there was like 8 levels, and i manage to up my characters on dreamcast and game cube very high... Yet that was the purpose of the game, co-op play and killing ennemies to lev up, finding new weapons and items.

GOW is a different thing... what is annoying is that every day i got to do 100 or so kills with guns i don't normally use in bot matches(hammerburst for exemple) before going online and REALLY play the game. I got to grind 1 or 2 chapters of X10 if i ever wanna see the end of this too... Then finally i look at my game modes medals and im depress to see i barely done 100 wingman and that i will have to idle boost it. Even KOTH, im not even at 300 so far... I must rinse and repeat the trashball map in KOTH for the cover medal(cause i never get that online... im no camper) and mulcher kills....

All of this purely sucks... period. I rather would go and just... you know... PLAY THE GAME like its intended to be.

How many total kills you need if you count all guns?

6000 heavies
6000 pistols
6000 x5 starting weapons : 30 000
6000 executions
6000 explosives
3000 fire

Total : 57 000 kills (if im not forgetting something)

Thats a damn lot... consider i done 55 000 total kills of GOW2 during 3 years of play... and i was playing a lot of it... more than your average joe... This is a ton of kill... thankfully the game permit bot killing on private but damn...

Yet if they could just switch all these 57 000 and made a global "do 50 000 total kills" That would be SOOOO much better. Cause at least we could play with what we want... not with guns we dont use normally. Or then if they would keep those... make it that horde count...

And they should really low down the requirement for the game played... asking you to do as many wingman as TDM is not good at all...

First off, having played PSO, it's not MMO. It's just an online RPG. The MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online. Games like Everquest, Final Fantasy XI, and World of Warcraft are (MMO)RPGs. Games like PSO, Diablo II, and such are just online RPGs. Guild Wars gets debated constantly on if it is MMO or not.

If you don't like what seriously 3.0 offers. You just don't have to play it. The game's intentions are different from your own intentions. If anything, seriously 3.0 is encouraging exploration of all the weapons in the game, all the game modes in the game, and so on. Luckily private matches count for seriously 3.0 I did not like the idea of being forced into ranked matches for Gears of War 1 and many people did not like it either due to the structure. I have seriously 2.0 myself. I had no problem with it. Asking for the requirements to be lower just means you want to play other games while not wanting to fulfill the requirements. Epic's already lowered requirements for some of the medals. I know once I have all the stuff for seriously 3.0, I won't be playing as much. I only put in Gears 1 to go for maxing the achievements period. Also, players like different modes. I am a warzone plater myself. I have only played some TDM. There are wingman players out there. So giving them a lower requirement and then telling them they have to play more TDM than wingman would not be sending the right message.

We can see why medals like vengeful are disputed as they require the player to not perform well in order to have it. It makes sense. Something like sapper can be disputed to as to how rare it often occurs. Things like those are understandable and Epic has responded to player complaints.

Basically nothing is forcing players to have Seriously 3.0. You don't have to have it.

[DestroWod]

Look i don't play on computer, so for me PSO is what i would call a MMORPG, its massive cause there is tons of people (well there was i should say) on the servers. Now debating that is unimportant, i was making an exemple on how "grinding" levels is actually just the core of the game, and a repetitive side is intended. Basically you could say that every GOW, every COD games are repetitive also, cause you do the same thing, but its fun when your facing different people and this is the fun of the game basically.

If you don't like what seriously 3.0 offers. You just don't have to play it. The game's intentions are different from your own intentions. If anything, seriously 3.0 is encouraging exploration of all the weapons in the game, all the game modes in the game, and so on. Luckily private matches count for seriously 3.0 I did not like the idea of being forced into ranked matches for Gears of War 1 and many people did not like it either due to the structure.

Yeah i got to do it, gow is MY game, everybody knows i play this game every day and im one of the hardcore player. Not having it would make me look like a fool. I have no problem exploring all weapons and mode, but this should had been kept decent, with requirements that people can actually achieve. 3000 games is too much period... 1000 would had been WELL ENOUGH. Its like Mortal Kombat, i just got the final achievement today... the 100 finish/150 xrays per character was decent... What was not was the 24 hours time requirement PER CHARACTER. I didn't even played 24 hours with my mains... i had 19 hours with my 2 mains before idle boosting the rest. NOBODY would play 24 hours with every character so that was idle boosting achievement and that really sucks. One thing they could had do is put 5 hours... thats actually what it took me mostly to max the characters i did online.

So when developers do an achievement on purpose to be idle boost, this really SUCKS period. As for forcing people to go rank, that was to stop the boosters to just do everything in private matches with people not playing... That was a good decision as the requirement was very decent... 10 000 kills was not that much. I did weeks where i would rack 800 kills.... i even had a couple weeks of over 1000 kills....

I have seriously 2.0 myself. I had no problem with it. Asking for the requirements to be lower just means you want to play other games while not wanting to fulfill the requirements. Epic's already lowered requirements for some of the medals

Yeah but seriously 2.0 actually counted your kill for everything you played, thats different, you where not force to play stuff you hated... And at the end, when you where done with the game, there was always the brumak to boost the rest and that was not 500 hours of grinding... the whole 100000 took around 9 hours that one of my friend who totally boost it said. Veteran Gear was also decent cause it just required you to play and thats it... That was not nessary to go with enormous xp event at the end...

Epic did low down some medals, but lets face it those where broken. Vengefull was dumb cause it forced you to play badly... and the other was upside down, you had to win more round without getting captured as leader then just winning as leader.

I know once I have all the stuff for seriously 3.0, I won't be playing as much. I only put in Gears 1 to go for maxing the achievements period.

I don't need an achievement to make me play a game i love... I played 2 years more of GOW2 after having veteran gear. I played GOW1 3 years more after getting Seriously. COD players play the game even if there is no achievement... A simple highter rank in the game is enough of a motivation.

Also, players like different modes. I am a warzone plater myself. I have only played some TDM. There are wingman players out there. So giving them a lower requirement and then telling them they have to play more TDM than wingman would not be sending the right message.

Yeah but first Wingman is very different than any other modes, you can't be more than 2, and sorry for the guys that always play alone, but i prefer playing GOW with 4 buddies... Not to mention you have 1 chance on 4 to win, instead of the 50/50 that you see in every other mode. Like i said before, its the only mode where you can loose a game even if you never die...(well thecnically its possible in CTL and KOTH, but that would mean not defending your leader/ring so it would be your fault)

In any case, im saying wingman should had been half the other modes, and that all other modes should had been decent in term of games playe. 1000 at most, 500 for wingman... thats it.

And yes like i said im kinda force to have it... I think putting stupid requirement is just slapping the fans in the face, allowing hardcore booster to get an achievement that a normal player that simply love the game but have a life can't...

[JuggaloJ4y]

For the S 3.0 achievement do you need to get to lvl 100 once?

[DestroWod]

i think once is enough, it just require you to be lev 100 to pop it(not being in between) but anyway you will get to lev 400 WAY BEFORE finishing seriously 3.0 unless you boost everything

[beastman69]

if they keeping bringing back old maps that people want then more people could get 3.0. i play when i can and try to get some achievements along the way but when i do get 3.0 then i feel i have finally reach the point of happiness due to how long its taking but its like a fine wine that gets better with age. im just dissapointed about some of the achievemnets cause everybody already has them and that makes it harder for others to get because they go back to the chacter they love the most. and i agree play the game for fun and get there when you get there. games are a challenge because if not people would lose interest and games would disapper. just think before you post and lets all have fun and play together for fun

[rogue 122]

Im still trying to figure out " Who in the hell came up with the math Logic," Active reload, just went gold, I was woundering whats going to be the number for Onyx 25000. So from 12000 to 25000 Really! For the Guns 2000 to 6000 for Onyx??? The math is screwy, I really think they sat at table laughing when they came up with this ahcvo. Just to see how many would really do this. Im going to my second LvL 100 ahcvo, Done unless they come out with new ones for the down loads. Its not worth it, I was set on doing this as well, but its not worth it. Already seeing a decline on MP.

[DestroWod]

i know, thats the problem, some gold to onyx are way too big of a difference. Sapper from 200 to 1000??? Skunker from 500 to 2500? This is really messed up, and yeah i do think they where making fun of us when they choosed that achievement, cause there is no way they where really "serious" about thinking people would do all that legit.