Sawed Off and it's flaws by nature and why Ghasner IS a testement to skilled player.

[Safety Skizzorz]

... I use every single weapon and continue to do well. If anything, the skills that SOS and Retro users have are different from yours, but skills nonetheless. How much skill does it take to shoot the gnasher at a charging enemy? Not much. But the wallbouncing aspect of Gnasher battles does take skill. SOS users have to know the right time to flank or come rushing in, which is just as much a skill as anything else in the game. It's all about style of play, and the addition of the Retro and SOS adds to the spectrum of players. And if they didn't need skill, they wouldn't kill you, and you wouldn't be complaining. If they are so much worse than you, you should easily be able to counter their attacks and kill them.

[Tysodie]

the statement was made pre-nerf yes. but READ the statement (it's in my sig). he doesn't talk about range, just the fact you don't have to aim the gun.

the Retro and SOS have ruined Gears. the Retro is probably the biggest offender as three quick RT taps and your opponent is dead.

the people that use both weapons are the ultimates in skilless killers.

Retro and Sawed-off have not ruined gears, they never did, the people who believe this are the ones that didn't want change because they were too comfortable with the way things were. I don't see the Retro or Sawed-off as noob weapons like most people do, I think of them more as the weapons that get the job done effectively and efficiently, why else would I use them?

Argue what you like, my opinion on the subject won't change, call it noob, call it garbage, I don't care, I'll just call it what it is to me, fun and enjoyable, as it was mean't to be

[Safety Skizzorz]

Argue what you like, my opinion on the subject won't change, call it noob, call it garbage, I don't care, I'll just call it what it is to me, fun and enjoyable, as it was mean't to be

Spoken like a champ.

[ThorsBaldEagle]

"The Gnasher is a testament to those that can't or won't 'adapt'"

[Safety Skizzorz]

"The Gnasher is a testament to those that can't or won't 'adapt'"

Not necessarily. I use both the Gnasher and SOS and can do just fine with both of them, but I prefer the Gnasher like you or many others prefer the SOS. There are a lot of people who can't or won't adapt but that doesn't mean every Gnasher user is one of them.

[ThorsBaldEagle]

Not necessarily. I use both the Gnasher and SOS and can do just fine with both of them, but I prefer the Gnasher like you or many others prefer the SOS. There are a lot of people who can't or won't adapt but that doesn't mean every Gnasher user is one of them.

This is true, however its the vocal minority that spoil it for everyone else. I'm quite handy with both guns, and interchange regularly depending on playlist.

[Safety Skizzorz]

This is true, however its the vocal minority that spoil it for everyone else. I'm quite handy with both guns, and interchange regularly depending on playlist.

True fact. I just don't think it's fair to group people together due to a few people who are over-the-top about it. (see Al Quieda [sp?] and the Westboro Baptist Church)

[ThorsBaldEagle]

True fact. I just don't think it's fair to group people together due to a few people who are over-the-top about it. (see Al Quieda [sp?] and the Westboro Baptist Church)

Haha yeah, and then serious trouble happens! oh wait...

I'd just like some people to realise that this is not Gears 2, or even Gears 2.5, this is Gears 3 and vastly different in a lot of ways to the previous titles. I don't want to see the franchise go backwards and end up being a 'prettier' version of a previous title.

[Last Veteran]

i personally like both shotguns...
they have good and bad moments..
when i get the chance during the game i pick up/carry both of them..

[ben1bob]

Retro and Sawed-off have not ruined gears, they never did, the people who believe this are the ones that didn't want change because they were too comfortable with the way things were. I don't see the Retro or Sawed-off as noob weapons like most people do, I think of them more as the weapons that get the job done effectively and efficiently, why else would I use them?

Argue what you like, my opinion on the subject won't change, call it noob, call it garbage, I don't care, I'll just call it what it is to me, fun and enjoyable, as it was mean't to be

exactly, they get the job done far too effectively and efficiently! hence the reason many people are annoyed by them.

it's not about what is comfortable. trust me, i do great with the Retro and SOS as it's hard not to do great if you've played the past Gears and then get given nuclear weapons as loadout options in Gears 3. it's about what is challenging and fun. it is no challenge to use the Retro and/or SOS.

i played Gears 1 and 2 cos they were a challenge for everyone as the loadout options were limited, therefore the game was more balanced. fast forward to Gears 3 and you can now pick a loadout that gets you easy kills.

it has killed the essence of Gears. Gears is different now, and worse for it imo.

[fohf]

I actually feel like the gnasher is an easier weapon to get kills with and I don't consider myself that good. I have 3 times as many kills with the gnasher than any other single weapon. (and more kills with the gnasher than all 3 rifles combined).

I hate the SoS, but only cause it's limited range and one shot, slow reload.

[Vxgasattack]

So, doing the math of adding up the pros and cons of the weapons, and examining them, it would actually appear that the sawed-off takes considerably more skill to be affective with than the gnasher does.

You are absolutely correct.

I'm a Gnasher user and I agree.

[MrSpeedyTurtle]

Fail logic there, so according to you i don't need to aim with the sawed-off, so that means I can shoot backwards and still get the person in front of me, fail logic. All weapons require you to aim, wether it blind fire aim or LT aim, it's still aiming

I can't tell you how many times I have dove behind a SO user and still died.

[A720BOXER]

The sawed-off has significantly less damage range than the gnasher and less gib range than the gnasher. It also has only one shot compared to the gnasher's 5, and an active reload is much harder to get than with the gnasher and even then it does **** all if you do get it as you've only got one shot, which again, sucks compared to the gnasher's active reload, which is so powerful that it has almost single-handily contributed to the rise of the "anti-actives" mentality that many of the "elite" players have.

The only thing the sawed-off has that is superior to the gnasher is a farther spread.


So, doing the math of adding up the pros and cons of the weapons, and examining them, it would actually appear that the sawed-off takes considerably more skill to be affective with than the gnasher does.

-_- this guy (someone uses sawed off)

[BlaxicanX]

The fact is everytime someone pisses with off by killing me with a SOS and I switch to the SOS I see how freaking easy it is to use the damn thing. Pull out a SOS in KOTH and its even easier to use. Using it nearly triple my kills because I was killing 2-3 guys per shot, then run away reload and kill another guy or two. The thing is way too easy to use.

And the same is true for the gnasher. I'm in the middle of trying to get my SoS medal and it's a pain in the ass because the gun sucks. So sometimes I get frustrated and switch to my gnasher and, whoop-dee-da, my K/D suddenly doubles.

The SOS has longer gib range...

No it doesn't, not after the nerf. The gib range is far, far shorter than the gnashers.

-_- this guy (someone uses sawed off)

And so what if I do? How does that make my argument any weaker? If anything it makes it stronger, as I at the least know its limitations and strengths. Why should anyone take anything you have to say about the gun seriously, considering you don't ever use it?

[Brash Smurf]

My wife finally switched from the SOS to the gnasher. She is amazed at how easy it is too use.

She earned her wings in gears2 so she has been playing for awhile

[Tysodie]

P

I can't tell you how many times I have dove behind a SO user and still died.

Happens with the gnasher as well, think it had something to do with lagging hitboxes

[Pro v]

And the same is true for the gnasher. I'm in the middle of trying to get my SoS medal and it's a pain in the ass because the gun sucks. So sometimes I get frustrated and switch to my gnasher and, whoop-dee-da, my K/D suddenly doubles.

No it doesn't, not after the nerf. The gib range is far, far shorter than the gnashers.

And so what if I do? How does that make my argument any weaker? If anything it makes it stronger, as I at the least know its limitations and strengths. Why should anyone take anything you have to say about the gun seriously, considering you don't ever use it?

His point is your making the gun seem more skillful cuz u use it and want it to be like b4 another crutch

[Pro v]

My wife finally switched from the SOS to the gnasher. She is amazed at how easy it is too use.

She earned her wings in gears2 so she has been playing for awhile

well seeing as gears 2 was a gnasher
Fest she should be easil getting kills with it

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

well seeing as gears 2 was a gnasher rest she should be easil getting kills with it

*Fest.

10 pokeballs of jigglypuffs on the wall... 10 pokeballs on the wall...

[Pro v]

*Fest.

10 pokeballs of jigglypuffs on the wall... 10 pokeballs on the wall...

That's so weird I editted it and it didnt change

[Eliguy5]

I like the effect of the so gib better but its harder to use lol. Gnasher is the only way fpr shottys

[OnyxProdigy]

The Gnasher can get more kills in a quick amount of time but it is HARD.
The Sawed-off can get a kill easily but only ONE.


Onyx Prodigy wins.

[BlaxicanX]

His point is your making the gun seem more skillful cuz u use it and want it to be like b4 another crutch

If that's his point then he sucks at reading comprehension because I've never said a single thing that even hints at that being my point.

[Chaos Isaac]

S/O's don't even get better if you active it. D:

[cob i boc]

Idk what the point of these threads are do you like seeing people argue. Everybody has their own opinions who cares if one person likes the gun more then the other, all I've been reading on this thread is arguments and every single person is saying the samethings. No wonder everybody is complain about teabaggers in the game it seems like everyone just hates each other without even getting to know one and other, how can you just argue with someone you don't know do you walk into someones house and te them their furniture sucks no that's disrespectful just like most of the stuff that is posted not just limited to this thread but others on the forums.

[EvilTaffyapple]

They both have their uses.

I prefer the Gnasher, but to say one is more skilled is redundant. The Gnasher has more shots, so more chances of killing a player / lots of players...

...whereas the Sawn Off has 1 chance, with less range.

How is the Gnasher therefore more skilled to use?

Just playing Devil's advocate here.

[ben1bob]

Idk what the point of these threads are do you like seeing people argue. Everybody has their own opinions who cares if one person likes the gun more then the other, all I've been reading on this thread is arguments and every single person is saying the samethings. No wonder everybody is complain about teabaggers in the game it seems like everyone just hates each other without even getting to know one and other, how can you just argue with someone you don't know do you walk into someones house and te them their furniture sucks no that's disrespectful just like most of the stuff that is posted not just limited to this thread but others on the forums.

i'd probably get on with most of these people in real life, but this is a forum to talk about the game. positives AND negatives.

i can't remember the last time i argued with anyone in real life. but in this forum i view Retro/SOS users as the enemy

i'm sure everybody is lovely really. don't mix up how people are on this forum with real life. i can be a right **** on here but i'm quite the gent in real life

[ben1bob]

Just playing Devil's advocate here.

no, you're just stirring the pot.

there is no need for a Devil's advocate in such a big thread as this. your question has been answered many times before.

[xStrangeBrew]

i honestly couldn't disagree more, that fact that the gnasher has the ammo capacity and reloading ability that it does makes it much more versatile than the sawed-off. when using the sawed-off you really need to capitalize on that one shot, and be ready to take some damage to get the kill. i believe that makes the sawed-off a weapon that takes more skill, practice, and attention.

[xStrangeBrew]

The Gnasher can get more kills in a quick amount of time but it is HARD.
The Sawed-off can get a kill easily but only ONE.


Onyx Prodigy wins.

Onyx Prodigy FTW

[Vinyl Scratch]

Quit complaining and play the game. That goes for everyone.

[HMFIC08]

I think the effectiveness of the sos depends on the map. Smaller maps the sos can be a beast when there is not a lot of open space and lots of cover. Bigger maps its useless. As for skill I think you all have it covered.

[EvilTaffyapple]

no, you're just stirring the pot.

there is no need for a Devil's advocate in such a big thread as this. your question has been answered many times before.

I didn't say I agreed with what I said...but someone will.

Both have their uses. The sawn-off is definitely a niche weapon. Some will see this as being a harder weapon to use, as you have to get close to the enemy to use it.

Like I said, I was playing devils advocate. But there will always be people who argue both sides of the coin.

Neither is right, no matter what anyone on these forums says/thinks.

That is the very definition of an opinion.