Please fix Warzone and Execution: Bring back the Dead Room!!!

[Slab]

Great thread and I agree 100% with what you have wrote. Please fix it for the next TU, Epic.

[iLuke]

Ah I remember Gears of War 2 GB's.

Good times.

"He's on the left, OHNO-"

"**** we lost :insertname: "

"I'm not gonna make it, I'll hold them off"

Epic please bring back the dead chat room, i miss those phrases. :[

[not presc1ence]

A mighty big YES to this idea, the dead room is something I sorely miss from G1.
It was how you made friends and rivals, sometimes it was like watching a TV show with a bunch of mates , with everyone commenting and supporting/deriding the still live players.

I know there were issue with trash talk, but seriously , how many people still trash talk when they are ALREADY dead?
I used to love when the mouthiest of peeps from between rounds would suddenly shut the helll up when they got to the dead room.Or get shouted down by their own team!

G1 good times, good times.

[Z. Carmine]

Last night, on a whim, a group of 8 of us switched up our normal Tuesday night game from Gears 3 to Gears 2, and we played Execution the way that it was meant to be played... with a dead-room, no ghost cam, and lots of laughs.

I really forgot how thrilling this game could be when you're playing Execution... chatting with your mates... implementing a strategy and then -boom- they get cut off mid-sentence.

You're then trying to remember where you saw them last, so you can figure out if you should charge or camp and wait for the opposing members to come through and then take them out.

Several matches came down to 1 vs 1 and the commentary in the dead room was hilarious... and reactions to end of rounds/matches are always over the top.

I'd love to know EPIC's rationale for taking this out of the game. It just doesn't make sense. Does anyone know? It's such a better game with a dead room.

I hope we can convince them to bring it back in a title update... I know that they had said it wasn't on their list of things to do before, but I think if we lobby hard, and make the case about how dead-room/ghost-camming diminish the game, maybe they'll reconsider.

Gears 3 is just about perfect in every other way. It's a shame that it's lame in such a big way. It kind of kills the spirit of the game.

[SiMBiiOTE]

I agree this was one of the best things about Gears. When it was taken out in Gears2 the game seemed very quiet and boring honestly, combine that with partychat and ghost cam and you have a recipie for fail.

[Safety Skizzorz]

I agree very much, but mainly because I really miss being last man vs last man, and suddenly I get the win or they do, suddenly you both hear a rush of "OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH" and it's all that more satisfying if you win, or motivational if you lose. I had one of these experiences a couple nights ago, but it was the last round of Ranked TDM.

[Z. Carmine]

Yeah. I'm assuming there's some sort of reason. But there's such overwhelming support for this change that this just makes me think that the EPIC programmers and designers just don't think of/play the game in the same way that the public does.

[Dynamic Reflux]

Keep it as they are. No one played Warzone before, now I almost always get warzone when I go ranked. The dead room was stupid and I just used party chat before. Now more people stay in game chat.

[HanSolo2187]

I'd love to know EPIC's rationale for taking this out of the game. It just doesn't make sense. Does anyone know? It's such a better game with a dead room.

Probably due to one of two things - (1) allowing party chat was easier than having to code the game to restrict party chat or (2) they felt that people talking to their teammates while they are dead and spotting enemies/nades promoted teamwork.

Personally, the Dead Room was great and added to the tension of elimination modes (Warzone and Execution). I have suggested implementing the Dead Room in Team Deathmatch when a team gets down to its last 5 lives, as well.

[PhilAuto]

I agree completely. The ghost cam itself could be considered the culprit for people cheating the enemy out of any stealth maneuvers.

Hey dudes stop saying that party chat ruins this... You are wrong. Many games make it so that when you are playing a certain playlist, it forces you to quit your chat.

I think the reason why its not in gears three is because epic now seriously caters to their new players (warzone/execution playlist). So they think many people will just be upset when they're conversations with their friends is suddenly cut short. Epic made a big mistake not preserving Warzone and Execution....

[Mz ThInG tWo]

It sounds like a good idea but I personally think the overhead map should remain the same ^_^

[torrez623]

i miss those days

[xGeArs aNoMaLy]

I fully support this change as well. I think that party chat is a very useful xbox live tool, but has ruined the warzone/execution gametypes party chat should just be disabled completely without disabling the ability to play "partied" with friends.

[DestroWod]

Personally i would be ok with Ghost Cam being removed... actually Ghost Cam in the first place should be only avalaible in private. Stealth position and surprising your opponent could get back more and this would help a last player's chance. Of course there would still be the sawed-off campers that would use this but well...but i hate nade tags, i think since GOW2 its one of the main factors that actually helped the downfall of GOW in the first place. And i hate the fact that in GOW3 you almost can't evade one... it take a couple seconds to detonate sure, oposing GOW2, but with the hit box not moving til the end of the rolling, your almost sure to die now even if you did roll far from it.... I would lie if i said i didn't got some last kills with these, and that i don't use it... but when i can have a team calling them to me, it help. There is nothing more frustrating than dying on a random nade tag,,,

As for the rest, well if party chat is still there, i don't give a rat's a** about a dead room being there or not, but personally i don't wanna hear some little american kid trash talk on live, and i want to be able to chat with my friends while playing without being constantly interupted.

Finally as for preserving execution and warzone... i wish there would be more people playing it... but sadly it was doomed at the second they announced TDM. But the biggest problem is the quick/rank being separate thing... You go execution rank... welcom to the try hards league... if you don't have a mighty team of your own... you will get destroy. Load an execution quick... welcom to bots matches... sucks really. I wish both would be merged so rank(and therefore real people teams) wouldn't be just full of try hards and you could actually win a game normally

[kdoubs]

No movement for TU4, can this at least be considered for TU5? Some friends and I played Gears 2 the other night and the intensity was leaps and bounds over anything I've experienced in Gears 3. More than a few times the matches came down to 1v2 or 1v3 and my heart was beating so fast knowing that everyone else was watching from the dead room and couldn't help me. So much more satisfying than any scenarios in Gears 3.

[The Impatience]

No movement for TU4, can this at least be considered for TU5? Some friends and I played Gears 2 the other night and the intensity was leaps and bounds over anything I've experienced in Gears 3. More than a few times the matches came down to 1v2 or 1v3 and my heart was beating so fast knowing that everyone else was watching from the dead room and couldn't help me. So much more satisfying than any scenarios in Gears 3.

One can dream :\

[The Impatience]

Double post.

[NP473L]

100000%. Same as *gulps* S&D for CoD...gamechat or no-can-do only hearing those in the same 'alive' state as you

[GeaR 614]

I definitely see where you're coming from. But I'm guessing that most entire teams don't party chat. I know some do, and it's a problem... clans especially. But in general...and especially for private matches or competitive play/tournaments... these changes would make the game so much better.

Yeah COD has game modes where Party chat is not allowed. This should be the same in gears. Maybe make it to where each game mode stays the way they are and then there is an option for Classical game modes where party chat is not allowed. Classical matches could also provide additional XP for playing Classical so that people will play that way instead of staying in the regular lobbies.

In addition to that I also think some of the game modes that are lacking players. Zeta, Warzone/Execution and CTL should have XP boosted so they get more players.

[Guu-sama]

Keep it as they are. No one played Warzone before, now I almost always get warzone when I go ranked. The dead room was stupid and I just used party chat before. Now more people stay in game chat.

When Gears 1 was out and booming, party chat did not exist as yet..

[HanSolo2187]

A simple fix would be to just not allow the ghost cam in elimination matches. I know this isn't a "dead room", but it eliminates the ability of teammates to spot enemies and frag plants for you. That said, I would prefer the Gears 1 set-up (no party chat, no ghost cam, and a dead room).

[DEMONccs]

Well i support this... but at this time its been said that this is not going to happend... but with EPIC you never know... so i guess we should ask for this... in fact and dont even ask for this to change in public because i know one reason is trash talk! but in private matches is a hole new game... again gears with friends is different

[Tonyth]

Yeah the dead room needs to come back. So what if there is party chat and people will use that. If they want to do that so be it.

As for everyone else let them enjoy the 'dead room' for all the reasons described in the first post.

[Koqeki]

No: Leave Warzone and Execution and Ghost Cam Chat as they are.

Keep the ghost cam. Everybody hated those camping noobs in GeoW1 and 2 who only hided somewhere. In GeoW3 it's even easier to camp, so the ghost cam is needed. Makes the game more like a team game and is a big help against noob retro, ink and DBS campers.

PLEASE EPIC, DON'T FIX THIS OR THE CAMPERS WILL WIN, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

[kdoubs]

At least make it available in Private matches. Or as an option.

[Z. Carmine]

I'm not losing hope!

EPIC, please fix this before you put Gears 3 out to pasture. It seems like a simple fix. Please take the advice of the majority of the responders in this thread and bring back the dead-room like it was in Gears 1 and 2 and nix the ability of dead players to help live players via ghost-cam spotting!

[canes93]

I'm all for this change as well! I hung on to a pretty big thread a few months ago, where one of the Epic devs came on and said that it had been brought up for discussion... and denied. This was SUCH as big part of the experience in GOW2 that we will probably switch back to playing that. I can only hope that by some miracle they find a way to make this happen..

[Z. Carmine]

We played Gears 2 for a couple of weeks, and it was lots of fun. But that eventually petered out, and we've since just stopped our regularly scheduled Gears sessions for good. Such a huge disappointment. We've been playing Gears weekly since Gears 1 came out. We've rarely missed a week... so it's basically the end of an era for our group of guys. I really hope they fix this and add a dead-room before they stop updating the game. It really adds a lot of value to the private match experience... and strategically makes the game more competitive and enthralling when you're playing public matches. The game is okay without it, but it's not a game that's worth continuing to play through until the next Gears release. They really messed with perfection here.

[Mr McScreechy]

what i want is when you play execution it forces you into game chat just like in cod search and destroy and the dead room come back.

[TheManagement]

this isn't going to happen. party chat exists.

[Spitfire MLG]

I agree with this 100%. I couldnt have made a better thread myself.

Example: it doesn't make sense how dead teammates can callout enemy positions. I liked how on GoW1, you would slowly loose communication with teammates until they were all dead and you were all by yourself. Bring the "dead-room" back!

[Stephano]

You have my vote!

[GoW 3 Killa]

No point doing this and this will not happen anyway

[MongooseRawr]

The only way this would work is if party chat were disabled also.

I can't really say though if I wanted it back because all I usually recall was trash talking sessions between groups everytime I entered the dead channel, especially ranked. Ranked execution alone has enough trash talk post-game.

[123MAN]

If you introduce this smart teams would just go into party chat. It is what we did on Gears 2.

[CodeNameNickG]

I love this idea. I so miss it from Gears 1 days. Those were some epic games to watch and partake in.

[the_suicide_fox]

I would like is as an option for private games, but not for public. People will just go into party chat and Epic has said they won't limit party chat.

A better option would be to limit dead player's to spectating teammates like Gears 1 ranked after the updates. Then dead people can't give more intell than the living players already have.

[Mr.Heffer]

I do miss the Dead room aka purgatory, I think suicide fox has a great suggestion, but I just miss it for private matches. I tried going back to gears 2 with my crew and there were some issues for obvious reasons, but boy did we enjoy the dead room.

[Z. Carmine]

The lack of a dead room in Execution Matches has killed the longevity of the game for our group of friends. We've played non-stop since Gears 1 was released... and now we're done with Gears until the next one comes out. It's a shame because they really had something cool there. I hope they put it back in before they set the game out to pasture. Ironically, Cliffy B keeps making public comments about how important social elements are to gaming. The dead room was a huge with within our social network and made the game fun and over the top. Blagh... this is so disappointing.

[TAO Devil]

The lack of a dead room in Execution Matches has killed the longevity of the game for our group of friends. We've played non-stop since Gears 1 was released... and now we're done with Gears until the next one comes out. It's a shame because they really had something cool there. I hope they put it back in before they set the game out to pasture. Ironically, Cliffy B keeps making public comments about how important social elements are to gaming. The dead room was a huge with within our social network and made the game fun and over the top. Blagh... this is so disappointing.

Sorry to hear that, but the dead room was something Epic (and a LOT of others) despised. It was also where most complaints were filed against other people.

Until gamers mature, I will stick to my party chat. thanks.