weird thing in RAAM's shadow dlc

[brent16161]

in Gears of war 1, they had just discovered therons, but in gears of war RAAM's shadow dlc, there were therons in act 1, i know that they are different people that see them, but if therons were seen before, then Marcus and Dom would be told about them in gears of war 1.

[SaintPocc]

Its justa game, dont expect common sense and also Raams shadow was just a DLC to introduce more characters to Multiplayer.

[TAO Devil]

The Theron Elite was extremely powerful. Only a few members of Zeta survived. So they are known, but rarely seen.

Therons at that time mainly stayed underground, with only the Drones, Greandiers and Boomers advancing as ground troops.

[greyes565]

ive got the solution to your problem......they didnt know about the Therons in Gears 1 because:

1) Barrick fate is determined in novels....
2) Kim meets his fate in Gears 1 before they even encounter 1....
3)Alicia was KIA
4) Tai was i guess ordered to continue his COG duties and he wasn't part of Delta until part 2

therefore only Baird knew by his own knowledge and didn't reveal until the caves in Gears 1....

[Gears of Gavin]

You could argue that only Marcus didn't know about Theron guards, because he was locked up in the slab.

[greyes565]

You could argue that only Marcus didn't know about Theron guards, because he was locked up in the slab.

your right actually......Marcus was in The Slab for a while...and only Baird knew of them rather than everyone else (Dom, Cole , Carmine)

[Fishead John]

You could argue that only Marcus didn't know about Theron guards, because he was locked up in the slab.

Or never encountered them in the field. Or came into contact with squads who would report having seen some.

[jmfchuckie]

your right actually......Marcus was in The Slab for a while...and only Baird knew of them rather than everyone else (Dom, Cole , Carmine)

Dom and Cole could have been working somewhere with no Therons. Just like the Maulers, maybe Delta didn't have the "luck" to see the Maulers, Grinders, Butchers, Bloodmounts, and Therons.

[greyes565]

Dom and Cole could have been working somewhere with no Therons. Just like the Maulers, maybe Delta didn't have the "luck" to see the Maulers, Grinders, Butchers, Bloodmounts, and Therons.

well im just stating my facts from what i know.....maybe the comics/books reveal more on it????

[TrUeBoSs03]

Baird already knew about it in Gears 1. Same with Maulers and Onyx Guard(even though all info is redacted)

[jmfchuckie]

well im just stating my facts from what i know.....maybe the comics/books reveal more on it????

I don't know. I felt that the best bet is Cole knew about them, he never said anything about them.

[greyes565]

I don't know. I felt that the best bet is Cole knew about them, he never said anything about them.

ehh hell i dont even know the whole story with Cole......or even Baird's past

[Final Marauder]

Since we're nitpicking, the Hammerbursts are the wrong model, they should have been the burst fire ones.

[mikey dude00]

Since we're nitpicking, the Hammerbursts are the wrong model, they should have been the burst fire ones.

yeah thoses were actually remotley usable for me.

[IceManC86]

I pretty sure that it was only Delta who had never seen Theron Guards. At the pumping station Baird explained to them what they were which means they have data on them (AKA they knew about them before Gears of War 1).....

[brent16161]

only Baird knew of them rather than everyone else (Dom, Cole , Carmine)

well, how did baird learn of them? he wasn't there when zeta saw them, did he maybe hear of them from another squad? maybe...

[VanchoKamei06]

well, how did baird learn of them? he wasn't there when zeta saw them, did he maybe hear of them from another squad? maybe...

Well, Baird knows a lot a nobody knows how, he explains a lot of things in Gears 2 collectibles, he is just the smart guy of the group

[The AlbinoSaxon]

well, how did baird learn of them? he wasn't there when zeta saw them, did he maybe hear of them from another squad? maybe...

He could have seen them during another operation/heard from another squad(however unlikely given hisamazing sociability). Therons where just rare on the surface, which could be due to their skills being needed to fight the lambent. It isn't like the only encounters with the Locust are what the books/comics/games show, there is a period of 14 years when god knows what occurred, so Therons were bound to have been seen by somebody at some point, hence Baird's knowledge of them.

[brent16161]

Since we're nitpicking, the Hammerbursts are the wrong model, they should have been the burst fire ones.

Yeah, those were better than the boomshot even for me, now i cant use the hammerbursts

[JacktheBlack]

You could argue that only Marcus didn't know about Theron guards, because he was locked up in the slab.

This. (Ten char)

[Predalian5]

They Just discovered Therons in 1? Then how was Baird able to tell Marcus what it was?

[Comatose RIC]

i think you'll find Cole also knows about them as well as kantus and other creatures because they will all be in gears judgement because its boring to take out bad guys that were introduced to liven the game up a bit.

[metroidkillah]

in Gears of war 1, they had just discovered therons,

Not necessarily true. It was only Marcus (and maybe Dom?) that didn't recognize them immediately. Even if he hadn't been incarcerated, there's no guarantee that Marcus would have ever encountered or even heard of the Theron.

...but if therons were seen before, then Marcus and Dom would be told about them in gears of war 1.

Again, not necessarily true, especially if they were a rare encounter. You'll find that the military, even in real life, doesn't always have the best intel, and doesn't always share that intel with low-ranking officers or conscripts.

[Dead Cell Raam]

Well, the part where you first fight a Theron in Gears 1, Baird identifies the Theron with confidence. He has probably known about their existence for a minute. This is more than likely due to him actually fighting them or researching them....or both. Remember, Baird is the go to guy for locust research.

On another note, nobody knows how long the Theron guard/elite etc etc have been around. Nobody knows how long RAAM was around for either. If I'm not mistaken, RAAM quickly rose throught the Theron ranks to eventually become a General, right?

1. The locust wiped out a huge chunk of the human population during the first year of the invasion.
2. This seems like the job of basic drones, boomers, grenadiers etc etc etc
3. The humans and locust stalemate.
4. therons seem to be sent in for special missions (which weren't need in the first year obviously) for infriltration and capture of key locations, kidknapping, collecting intel, prevention of specialized COG missions
5. This can be seen after Gears 1 as you see a guard scouting as the Queen is talking
6. Whenever Delta had a special mission(lightmass, etc etc etc) the Theron were.

If anything, the Guard was probably implemented as a way to gain an advantage during the stalemate. They seem very specialized and they needed a specialized leader to motivate and get the job done. So I believe RAAM was probably in the ranks as a guard at the very begining as they were being developed as a force to be reckoned with.


So, in my long winded text here, I'm basically saying the Theron were formed to create an advantage later in the war.

[BlueDodger]

I'm pretty sure Marcus not knowing was just a way to introduce the PLAYER to the Theron Guard.


It's just like in Gears 3 when Cole's squad sees a Gunker for the first time, they're all: "What the **** is that?!"

Then 2 seconds later you can spot the Gunker and they say "Gunker!"









Plus the Hammerburst NEVER changed STORY-WISE, it only changed GAMEPLAY-WISE, becuase EPIC didn't want another burst-fire weapon

[FactoryOfEmbers]

I'm pretty sure Marcus not knowing was just a way to introduce the PLAYER to the Theron Guard.


It's just like in Gears 3 when Cole's squad sees a Gunker for the first time, they're all: "What the **** is that?!"

Then 2 seconds later you can spot the Gunker and they say "Gunker!"









Plus the Hammerburst NEVER changed STORY-WISE, it only changed GAMEPLAY-WISE, becuase EPIC didn't want another burst-fire weapon

This ^

It was used as an intro to the player. Also with Marcus being in prison, and the power of Therons not being needed in the initial attacks, he was unlikely to see one before he went to prison.

And yeah the Hammerburst never changed in the story, to them it's still the same weapon it was when they first got them way back when. It's just Epic changed it up a bit for players, but story and canon wise it's still the exact same gun.

[Tysodie]

Plus the Hammerburst NEVER changed STORY-WISE, it only changed GAMEPLAY-WISE, becuase EPIC didn't want another burst-fire weapon

they are 2 different rifles, Mark 2 version is supposed to be an improvement over the original, some Locust preferred the original burst fire weapon which is why they have the burst fire gorgon pistol, read below

"While the Hammerburst II Assault Rifle showed considerable promise in its initial tests by the Locust Horde, numerous veterans, including Therons and the Locust Priesthood, were quite fond of the burst-firing and compact size of the original Hammerburst. Loathing to part with a tried-and-true design, Locust Engineers began working on a method to create a compact, burst-firing weapon to equip Locust elites that had favored the earlier Hammerburst. The end result of this attempt was a dual-barreled, dual magazined weapon designed to lay down an impressive amount of firepower in a very short period of time - especially at close-to-medium range. The weapon was an instant success with the Kantus priesthood, where it became their de-facto weapon of choice. Several other Locust units also managed to secure them - most notably Theron Guards, Theron Sentinels, and Palace Guards. "

[TAO Devil]

they are 2 different rifles, Mark 2 version is supposed to be an improvement over the original, some Locust preferred the original burst fire weapon which is why they have the burst fire gorgon pistol, read below

"While the Hammerburst II Assault Rifle showed considerable promise in its initial tests by the Locust Horde, numerous veterans, including Therons and the Locust Priesthood, were quite fond of the burst-firing and compact size of the original Hammerburst. Loathing to part with a tried-and-true design, Locust Engineers began working on a method to create a compact, burst-firing weapon to equip Locust elites that had favored the earlier Hammerburst. The end result of this attempt was a dual-barreled, dual magazined weapon designed to lay down an impressive amount of firepower in a very short period of time - especially at close-to-medium range. The weapon was an instant success with the Kantus priesthood, where it became their de-facto weapon of choice. Several other Locust units also managed to secure them - most notably Theron Guards, Theron Sentinels, and Palace Guards. "

In canon, the gun never changed. In gameplay, it did. This was just a way for people to accept the change in the game.

[ManicRaider]

Plus the Hammerburst NEVER changed STORY-WISE, it only changed GAMEPLAY-WISE, becuase EPIC didn't want another burst-fire weapon

But it changed on part 2 where they introduced the burst-fire Gorgon Pistol...

[DaRkNeSs]

There was no Therons in RAAM's Shadow were there? Only Theron Elite which was very rare

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

ive got the solution to your problem......they didnt know about the Therons in Gears 1 because:

1) Barrick fate is determined in novels....
2) Kim meets his fate in Gears 1 before they even encounter 1....
3)Alicia was KIA
4) Tai was i guess ordered to continue his COG duties and he wasn't part of Delta until part 2

therefore only Baird knew by his own knowledge and didn't reveal until the caves in Gears 1....

1.) [SPOILERS, Bro.] Barrick's death was around Gears 2 so he had enough time to tell others.
2.) Yerp, though he could have told other people.
3.) Yerp.
4.)Tai, could have also told others, which may lead to the Theron Elite's description in MP.