Need gnasher & mp tips

[Groundwalkerr]

I made a thread yesterday, but was deleted before I could catch up on the replies.
Flamewar I been told. :/ Hope I don't upset anyone.

So I'm a Gears player since the first game, but I never made it into a nice team of friends, I don't even have any friends.
I never got the hang of the gnasher, I'm more of a mid to long distance behind cover shooter supporting the team, but that doesn't seem to work much in Gears 3 MP.
9 out of 10 a kill is achieved by use of the gnasher and I'm forced to practice or stay forever noob.

I watched the sensitive guide video, adjusted (although lowered by a few still).
I tried alternate controls to practice wallbouncing, but it drives me insane. I just cant get used to having two different buttons to do the slide in cover and roadie run.

The fact I always tend to end up with below average players against organized teams in party who are mostly also a lot higher ranked doesn't make it any easier to practice and improve.



So I wanna ask you guys a few tips.
-How do you succesfully wallbounce.
-Is it possible to do properly with standard controls?
-Do you touch the left trigger at all when using the gnasher? I heard some people tap it quickly in a two step motion with the right trigger, dont know why.
-Do you fire as many rounds as possible or do you wait more until you have a really good aim, even though it's so fast I can't imagine theres even half a second to waste time.
-What rifle do you prefer? Lancer is super weak but easy to maintain control for long distance suppressing fire.
Retro is powerful but recoil is so heavy long distance gets hard. Hammerburst I liked in gears2 but in gears3 it seems a bit.. i dont know. Different.

And what modes would you suggest for someone like me with a horrible kd ratio of 0.5. I had 0.8 in gears 2. :/
Quickplay or ranked?

Thats about it I guess. I hope nobody starts flaming here again. I am merely trying to figure out how to enjoy the MP a bit more because right now I'm growing frustrated by my own noobness as well as the stacked teams and often long waiting times to get in a game.
I'm in Belgium, Europe by the way. Don't use mic, I do hear what people say and can follow commands if they give any, which they never do, lol.

[bbsmth933]

-Wallbouncing is all about practice. Preferably you never want to slide towards a person so basically just bounce between whatever cover is around you fire a shot in between each bounce. also practice bouncing sideways, this can be very useful in situation where your facing someone one on one, and there is only a single wall of cover to bounce off of.
-Yes you can wall bounce with standard controls/controller but you wont be able to bounce and aim at the same time unless you have an onza. i used to play default controller scheme with the standard controller and i could only do so well. alternate control scheme eliminates accidental rolls and is a much better choice to get used to.
-Yes and it's all about situation. if your going in for the gib or wall bouncing, your best bet is to blindfire or popshot (thats the two step motion your talking about). if your farther away or not in the heat of battle, try hard aiming you'll get more range and a tighter spread
-Time and aim your shots, make each one count. firing as many shots as you can will have you ending up dead against most decent gnasher users.
-I go hammy. it's op so i use it. i annoy the hell out of people from accross the map. get good with this weapon and youll be getting a lot of damage points, some ranged kills, and have a great anti-rushing defense.

play quickmatch until your going about 1 for 1 and then start on ranked. you have to play with better players to get better.

i hope this helped

[shadowhawk98]

In regards to majority of kills coming from the gnasher, somewhat true. I'm in a somewhat similar situation as you are. I'm more of a lancer/pistol support player lacking skill with the gnasher. But trust me, the active lancer can sometimes be more useful in mid to somewhat close range than a gnasher. A tip I was given was to just go into a private full of bots and practice things you don't normally do and just try new things and test things out. Works for any weapon. Go in and practice till you feel comfortable and then hit up quick/ranked matches and see how it goes. As I was told, don't expect amazing results right off the bat.

[Cookie Monster]

I'll add you on Saturday and I'll be your mentor

[Groundwalkerr]

Thank you guys for the replies so far.

@bbsmth933: I tried some more wallbouncing with both standard as alternate controls and the alternate ones are really something that'll take more than two days to get used to.
I happen to be slow like a snail when I use it, lol. So I tend to switch to standard and then I accidentally roll. MEH!

Very sometimes something amazing happens though. Like yesterday, I had the gnasher equipped and I was fighting 3 enemies in a small area.
For some reason I fired from the him and killed them one by one. Thats when my jaw drops and I'm like "was that your hand, God? Did you help me? Or was I pro for just 5 seconds?"
Wish I could be like that all the time.

@shadowhawk98: Yes. This was already the case in the first games too. Gnashers > the rest.
It showed clearly when looking at the statistics. While others had like 20-30 kills and barely any "downs", because their kills were one shot instant kills, I'd have like 20 downs and maybe 8 kills.
Hah, fighting bots. Well, they have supernatural aim though. Somehow they are better than real players, but then they do fail miserably on tactics and movement.
I'm a poor MP player, but I am not a newb at killing AI enemies. Been through every game on insane with one other person in co-op. I played a fair amount of horde too so I know how to handle AI enemies. It's the realistic situations when facing real players that I need to learn.
In gears 2 I got to score better, maybe it was the maps that suited me better. No sawed off either or retro lancer.
Thanks for your reply still. Also, going in quickplay and facing mostly bots can help boosting some rank. Did that yesterday, people left the match over time and I was alone with 9 bots. >_<

@Cookie monster: You should know I can hear mics but I don't use one, I think ingame practice lessons will be difficult. What I'd like is a few people who are willing to allow me in their team now and then so I don't have to crap around with random people against often well organized teams. Then its no practice for me anymore but a handicap match trying to score SOME xp. :/

[Groundwalkerr]

I made a clip with my phone of one short match.

For those who'd like to observe and point out my flaws... the many flaws, no doubt >_<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZ4z-zFh2o
(that match i was twice as bad by the way, really horrible!)

[Tubs]

Learn how to strafe. A good strafe helps a ton and isn't as difficult as a wall-bounce. Only time I really wall-bounce is to slip in behind someone to get the upper hand on them. Some players wall-bounce all over the map and I just take them down with some well placed shots by hard aiming.

To wall-bounce at an angle look to where you wanna go next. Side to side works well too. You just need to practice both to get good. And it takes a lot of practice. I've put hours and hours into getting good at that and I'm still just okay with wall-bouncing. In the heat of the moment I often just forget to wall-bounce and strafe the entire time.

Hip fire is the way to go in close quarters. When you do this aim a lil to the left of the middle of the screen. I do pop a couple shots into them while I bounce around or strafe with them but, I'm more picky about when because I don't wanna waste shots and I don't wanna be taking a shot and just miss when they end up in the sweet spot.

Use what you like to use with your controller. If you wanna use standard controls then use them and stick with them. Same thing with alternate. It took me a couple weeks to get used to alternate but, now I can't go back to standard. One thing I picked up when using alternate was to hold both X and A when sliding into cover. It makes a huge difference. If you're struggling too much trying to learn alternate then just use the standard controls.

MP is a lot faster than other game modes. You wanna move a lot and move fast to make yourself a hard target. Also, this game is huge on teamwork. Stick with your teammates. Pick the one that's doing really well and stick with him and help him out. You'll learn from watching him and help your team get the win.

If you wanna get better against people play game types where deaths aren't as important like king of the hill or capture the leader. These are both great game modes to get practice in. One thing you might wanna look into is joining a clan that's EU based. Having friends on to work is a lot more fun and you'll do better and they can help you get better. A clan will help you make more friends.

[Tubs]

Just watched your vid. I get frustrated with players that pull out their gnasher as soon as they spawn. There was a couple instances where you should have been using your lancer. Your gnasher should be used as a sidekick not your main weapon. When the moment calls for it pull out your gnasher.

Also pop-shots. Quickly click LT then RT. At the distance you were in having your shotty battle, you should have been pop shotting instead of hip firing. Hip firing is for closer combat whereas the pop shot keeps your spread closer together to give you more range.

When you took cover and you were full red you should have stayed in cover and backed up a bit. Those few seconds to recover would have helped you immensely. When you jumped out and you were full red all the other player had to do was graze you to make you go down.

The times, when you were in a shotty battle, is the range you wanna be in for that, but don't forget to use your rifle to soften them up or take them down from a longer range.

[DAxSOULJAx]

I would recommend playing with a mic if possible. I have played games with 4 other randoms and we can take out a good squad. Just by communicating help each other out. Team firing on guys is huge IMO.

[rxZombie]

Hey ground walker, I'm not much of a wall bouncer either, but I made a video the other day explaining how I use it if you wanna check it out. It's pretty basic, which is what you're looking for it sounds like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izum...2&feature=plcp

Also you should try the stranded playlists. It keeps you from going up against a stacked team, kind of evens the playing field for playing on your own. And the lancer is a GREAT reliable gun. and it can be very powerful if you get active reload and aim for the head.

I'd be glad to make a video of how i use the gnasher if you'd be interested. LMK

[MagicMushrCCm x]

Rx can you make one or two in the new get gnashty playlist?

Would also be helpful if you put commentary on why or what you did in the given situations. Your thought process as it be.

Thx in advance.

[Groundwalkerr]

MP is a lot faster than other game modes. You wanna move a lot and move fast to make yourself a hard target. Also, this game is huge on teamwork. Stick with your teammates. Pick the one that's doing really well and stick with him and help him out. You'll learn from watching him and help your team get the win.

I try that, but like I said, mostly I end up in unorganized teams who aren't focusing on teamwork. They often don't even care to revive me even when I am crawling right next to them shouting "REVIIIIVE MEEEe!"
I always try to revive, sometimes getting myself killed in the process, so I had to adjust a little to that as well and first take down the enemy if I can before running to a downed teammate.

If you wanna get better against people play game types where deaths aren't as important like king of the hill or capture the leader. These are both great game modes to get practice in. One thing you might wanna look into is joining a clan that's EU based. Having friends on to work is a lot more fun and you'll do better and they can help you get better. A clan will help you make more friends.

Yea, KOTH (and in gears 2, Guardian and annex) is where I hang out most, but TDM has the most players so for speedy matchmaking, I lately tend to prefer TDM. Really, I don't know why but the matchmaking often takes ages for me. I have broadband internet here in Belgium and seem to be on a deserted island far from civilization half of the time.

Just watched your vid. I get frustrated with players that pull out their gnasher as soon as they spawn. There was a couple instances where you should have been using your lancer. Your gnasher should be used as a sidekick not your main weapon. When the moment calls for it pull out your gnasher.

Also pop-shots. Quickly click LT then RT. At the distance you were in having your shotty battle, you should have been pop shotting instead of hip firing. Hip firing is for closer combat whereas the pop shot keeps your spread closer together to give you more range.

When you took cover and you were full red you should have stayed in cover and backed up a bit. Those few seconds to recover would have helped you immensely. When you jumped out and you were full red all the other player had to do was graze you to make you go down.

The times, when you were in a shotty battle, is the range you wanna be in for that, but don't forget to use your rifle to soften them up or take them down from a longer range.

Eep! I copycat what others often do. They get the gnasher as soon as they spawn and pop a few shots even to get some actives ready.
Most of the kills made by good players are done with gnasher. So you're saying I should keep my lancer/hammy out to lay suppressing fire until it comes to close quarters? I've seen guys sneak into enemy territory somehow and blast them away with the shotgun. Then I'm still standing there behind a wall trying to hit something with lancer and a sec later some guy has the easiest time killing me sneaking up from behind. The problem is I can't rush in either, lol. I'd die before I get close enough.
In Gears 2 i had a great time with the hammerburst. I don't like the hammy that much in gears 3 though.

I would recommend playing with a mic if possible. I have played games with 4 other randoms and we can take out a good squad. Just by communicating help each other out. Team firing on guys is huge IMO.

I'm in an apartment with pretty thin walls and often play at night, so talking is troublesome.

Hey ground walker, I'm not much of a wall bouncer either, but I made a video the other day explaining how I use it if you wanna check it out. It's pretty basic, which is what you're looking for it sounds like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izum...2&feature=plcp

Also you should try the stranded playlists. It keeps you from going up against a stacked team, kind of evens the playing field for playing on your own. And the lancer is a GREAT reliable gun. and it can be very powerful if you get active reload and aim for the head.

I'd be glad to make a video of how i use the gnasher if you'd be interested. LMK

Thanks! I watched that clip and will try your tips. I didn't know it involved pulling back the stick to cancel the slide before you actually hit the wall and have your character take the cover position. No wonder I suck at wallbouncing. >_<

I'll try the stranded playlists again, if there's enough people playing there.

Oh that'd be very helpful if you'd wanna make a gnasher usage/tactics video.
When I played GoW2 mp, I did what every noob did I bet, put a transparent piece of plastic on my tv screen with a ring marking the center of my screen. LOL!
It didn't help much. Just to show how desperate I am, haha.

[Tubs]

Yeah you should really use the gnasher as a sidekick. When you get up close and personal pull out your gnasher. If you're getting caught from behind then you need to work on awareness. It helped me a ton to purchase a headset like turtle beaches just to hear all of the sounds in the game. Others offer surround sound and all that but, I don't have the money for it. I just listen to footsteps and can determine where they are by the sounds their feet make.

Don't sit and camp an area either. Move around. They're trying to come up and flank you so, go and meet them at the flank. It's better to face a 1v1 than a 2v1 or 3v1. And even better to not have them catch you with your back to them.

Some of the things that seem simple to us aren't that simple to others that just don't know. If I had known I would have told you. Yeah, you gotta pull away from the wall before you hit the wall to cancel your bounce. When your ready for your next one be sure to look where you're going. Practice and you'll do fine.

[Maker]

Then its no practice for me anymore but a handicap match trying to score SOME xp. :/

Those "handicap" matches are actually a decent skill building place as well. You don't learn as much when you win as you do when you loose. Go win a gnasher fight and tell someone what you learned, then loose one and do the same thing, more will come from the loss.

As for practice, i do most of my private practice in Quick Match KOTH. Im by nomeans pro but im not bad.

[Equilibrium]

play quick match until you feel like your ready to step it up. i played quick match koth until like 70-80ish with a 1.2 kd and a 1.2 WL. Now im reuped level 26 and i only play ranked with a 1 kd and 0.8 WL, you just gotta practice and stuffs

[Limelights]

You can wallbounce correctly with the standard controls. Keep in mind wallbouncing isn't about speed it's about being unpredictable, so don't bounce on a wall that's too obvious because most players will just wait for you to bounce and get a one-shot or strong shot off.

As for the left trigger and when to use it most of it is preference. The only time you're going to 100% want to L-Trigger someone with the shotgun is when you have cover and they're out in the open. Some players will only blindfire when strafing/wallbouncing and others will popshot (press L, fire a shot, release L), it's all about what works for you. It's okay to take your time and only take shots you know will land.

Before I even start talking about strafing and general Gnasher tips you should follow these rules: Right hand advantage is EVERYTHING. If you're not hurt keep distance and if you're full-red close the gap and go for a one-shot. If you're in a shotgun fight and you hit him more than he hit you or if you know he's hurt he's going to try to bounce next to you so be prepared. If you're in a shotgun fight and he hit you more than you hit him or if you're hurt do something unpredictable that will get you close to him for the one-shot. This is pretty much the general idea is Skyllus zYn's Lesson #12 - Positioning which you should watch.

When it comes to the Gnasher I find that it's most important to develop a good strafe and use the strafe as a stepping stone to hit your own shots. For example: if someone comes behind me and gets me with a strong shot I never shoot back right away, it's what they're expecting, instead I force them to miss shots by rotating my camera while strafing left and right. To do this you're going to want to flick both sticks right and then both sticks left. (By making the character spin while moving left and right it creates a wider arc of movement making your character harder to hit.) While strafing i'm moving closer to them and when I know I can hit a shot I take it. Either we trade, they get full-red and I die, or I get him with the one-shot.

You don't have to be Gnasher heavy to rack up the points. With the stong rifle damage it's now a Lancer game and you can get tons of points in public matches by just knowing good places to be with your Lancer and hitting people that are fighting teammates. Try playing KotH and get in a safe spot around each hill that you can Lancer from. You can do a lot more damage being outside of the hill with a Lancer than you can being inside of it with a shotgun.

Try using your Lancer again. Just be wary of your surroundings: listen for footsteps and don't get snuck up on when you're Lancering. More importantly get in a spot where you know no one will come behind. If you die because you get snuck up on while Lancering it's a wasted life and that's time that could be spent putting shots and supporting for your teammates. Every time you get to a spot think to yourself is the spot safe or not and where the enemies are going to come from.

[WarDecoy II]

Learn how to wallbounce and find places on the map were you cant. Use the Gnasher and Hammerburst( You dont need a Mod ) and when ever possible pick up a Boltok( Unrated Weapon )

[rxZombie]

Rx can you make one or two in the new get gnashty playlist?

Would also be helpful if you put commentary on why or what you did in the given situations. Your thought process as it be.

Thx in advance.

A few videos i put together, this one is pretty basic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOWV...layer_embedded

and this one an experiment on showing my decision making process during a shotgun battle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80xGw...eature=related

Let me know if it's at all helpful, thanks!

[Groundwalkerr]

Thanks everyone for the tips.

Special thanks to you, rxZombie for those clips you made.

I was under the false impression that using hard aim with the gnasher as you call it was considered stupid.
Must have been because I tried to use it when in melee range. To maintain good accuracy with a lancer/hammerburst, the sensitivity can't be too high or the cross-hair acts too nervous as soon as you touch the stick, but during melee range gnasher battles, you'll rotate way too slow and lose track of the enemy running by or rolling away.
Dumb as I was I gave up on the gnasher in GoW2 and found the hammerburst to be an effective weapon to at least down an enemy a lot. Often someone else finished before I could land the final bullet, but ok.

So thanks especially for the analyzing video. Makes sense why you hipfire when you hipfire and hard aim when you hard aim.
Those "popshots" are way better outside melee range. I didn't know it had a smaller point of impact when you hard aim either.

I'll take those tips into my next matches.

The matches I already tried the gnasher lately I was usually too messy when blindfiring but also too far away to be useful with blindfire shots. Bet I could have done better if I had used popshots.

[entelligence]

Some good tips in here; basically, strafe and hip fire. Take your time and don't hold down the right trigger and hope to land a spam. Place good shots and make your opponent(s) miss you. Wall bound is good for rushing in on a retro or something of that nature. If you and a dude are in eachothers faces with shottys, move left to right, right to left, all over. Then, land your shot.
Happy bodying.

[Convicted Greed]

I made a clip with my phone of one short match.

For those who'd like to observe and point out my flaws... the many flaws, no doubt >_<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZ4z-zFh2o
(that match i was twice as bad by the way, really horrible!)

You need to take more time with your shots and learn where the blind fire zone is with the gnasher. You also play lone wolf status haha you need to stay with your team and support them, making sure you guys get power weapons. Even if they are randoms 2v1 is better =P

[curtisp]

Would be happy to show you how I GET GNASHTY lol, it takes practice but I never played the previous gears games and still love the gnasher/wallbouncing/strafe aspect of this game man, I can show you what I know and I promise you will become a better killing machine with the gnasher...add me on xbox GT-xXCURTISPAInXx