The Gears 3 "Gametype" fix **Gnasher and Rifles users unite.**

[KakashiiX2]

Hello fellow Gears, as many are aware of, there's been a huge controversy over the rifles in Gears 3. Many of you have seen me in these threads posting into the matter and have seen my opposition to the matter. Now I am not making this thread to bring up the argument and rehash the situation. I usually tend to hear both sides of the equation. I am here to propose a resolution to the matter on something that had dawn upon me since the Hardcore Playlist Weekend.

In my opinion Gears Of Wars 3 feels like a complete game in gameplay, but I do not feel it's gametypes are complete.

For the remainder of this post, I want you to envisioned that Gears 3 is Gears 1 Multi-player portion complete from launch. Gears 1 MP would be the alpha and Gears 2 MP would be the beta of the multi-player portion.

Along the way of this theoretical Gears MP beta testing we derived additional gametypes based on the original ones:

• Warzone
• Execution

Which then we added:

1. KoTH
2. Annex
3. Guardian
4. CTL

Then we consalidated them and made:

1. KoTH
2. CTL
3. TDM

Back in Gears 1 the most fun gametype to play was Execution. Execution allowed you to play sorta in the same tense adrenaline filled atmosphere that Counter-Strike became popular for and allowing players to finish off their kill with style.

Warzone on the other hand you didn't need to "Execute" in that mode type and was similar to the other shooters out on it's time.

A few of these beta players stumble upon gold in the word fun, the Gnasher. The reason being that Execution demanded the usage of the Gnasher since the rifles couldn't do execution no matter how cool you could be using the games following mechanics:

• Blindfire from cover
• Wallbouncing

The Gnasher was your safest (and still the safest) bet to guarantee your kill, and one of the few weapons in the game to allow to do em in a Mortal Kombat-esque manner.

When Annex was introduced into the Gears world, it was a way to let those hungry Warzone players with a reason to continue playing. These are the rifle beta players that went past the Execution mindset and pushed the Gears engine and franchise to it's limit. The ability to respawn continuously and racing everytime to your objective, made the "Execution" gametype experience more streamlined. Now everyone had the chance to be a rambo whether the game didn't warrant it or not. You could play freely but then came the problem with Annex. Due to the fact this was the only game type that allowed you to do this, these beta players (even on the PC) felt it was just better to forget about the rules in annex and just tally up kills.

Team Deathmatch is introduced completely destroying all purpose for the original grandfathered game types: Execution and Warzone.

As one can see this is why Gears Of Wars 3 is now a rifle dominant game, but it doesn't mean the Gnasher isn't there and it doesn't work. There's nothing "wrong" with the game or it's un-balanced. It's just the gametypes themselves need to be revamped and this is what I mean by the fix.

The New Execution


I would like to take the time to add this additional modification that I feel needs to be addressed concerning "executions", the whole concept of them in this game is a "gimmick". When I say gimmick is that they only serve their purpose in the mode execution, beyond that mode there's no need to execute them as they usually tend to get you kill. If EPIC could find a way to streamline the executions for a player that is down without losing total control of a player (ala Gears 2 Gnasher golf swing melee kill that you could still walk in animation) that would be amazing.


The basis of this fix I am proposing is on strictly this new Execution. The new execution will be exactly what Hardcore Weekend was, Gnasher and snub load-out only, the regular weapon spawns will be there, and there will be absolutely no rifles in this mode. If it need be, some of the weapon spawns could be ammo boxes.

The New Warzone


In this mode rifles will be allowed to headshot on active given certain scenarios for each rifle.
**When I say last bullet, I mean that the character's gear omen is almost filled up, the "last bullet" would be usually the one that downs, but on active has the capability to do what is suggested below**.

Hammerburst

• Iron sights last bullet to the characters head.
• No-scope last bullet to the characters head.
• Blindfire last bullet to the characters head.

Lancer
*due to it's accuracy and steady stream, Lancer will not headshot on active while holding the LT.

• Just like in Gears 1, on DBNO players hipfire.
• Hipfire last bullet.
• Blindfire last bullet.

Retro-Lancer

• No-scope last bullet to characters head (burst fire).
• Mulcher like gibs on blindfire (last bullet to the body).
• Mulcher like gibs on hipfire (last bullet to the body).
• Hipfire last bullet to the head, good luck with that .
• Blindfire last bullet to the head, good luck with that .

The snub in this mode will also get the ability to headshot like in Gears 1.
Please keep in mind that for all of these you must be active reloaded.
Gnasher in this mode is a pick-up weapon along side the DBS.

Team Death Match will remain virtually untouched. If anything, there can be a variant of Teamdeath Match that resembles the new Execution modetype.

CTL becomes Capture The Flag:
Would you like a true Capture the Flag gametype? (580+ supporters!)

KoTH will remain virtually untouched.



Why do I believe this is a good fix for everyone?

Rifle players have finally gotten what they wanted with Gears 3 but as any rifle player will tell you, we were Gnasher players first and foremost before we were rifle players. While we love our rifles, Rifles will never provide the same kind or rush or energy that our beloved Gnasher gave us. Giving out 2 seperate modes to fully satisfy both extremes will really help the addiction for those moments when you caught someone off guard in their dancing and pop their dome off. (Get the Unreal Tournament 99 / Gnasher Headshot frenzy treatment.)

Gnasher players will have a mode type exclusively to being hardcore Gnasher badasses.
Rifle players will have a mode type exclusively to being hardcore Rifle badasses.






Additional Touch-ups.

• Boomshield should allow regular movement speeds in all modes *I say this so it has a purpose and people could use it, I never see anyone use the stupid boomshield and I blame it soley on the fact it's too damn heavy.
• Ranked should have friendly fire on with a penalty system
  

  1. Introduce a medal (if it doesn't exist yet) that like of "Carmine's Star" reminds you that you kill your team mates too much.
  2. K/D and PPM penalties. You are allowed a max of 10 friendly kills per month, beyond this point you will lower in rank (lose ur wings) by level.
  3. You are warned 3 times before during in game rank match, 1st and 2nd are warnings; final is a kick and team awarded the round.

  Then like this Ranked could have a meaning, levels would be meaningful (since you have to maintain them) and Quick match will be there and it will never have Friendly fire on for those that want to practice.
  Friendly fire would promote more communication (no more silent randoms). And then fully enjoy Gears 3 how you are suppose to enjoy it.
  

  
  
• Hammerburst should return to stock (Gears 3 launch).
  After last night playing Ranked against a team of Hammerburst, I strongly believe (since I am HB user myself now) it's modifications pushed this weapon over the edge.
• Implement "Brothers To The End" as a permanent gametype.[Optional]
• After re-up, your first 1-100 (bronze) will not level up in quick match.

Discuss.

And vote

[IsmaR]

...****. All out post you got there. Doubt many will read it in its entirety, and wouldn't be surprised if this full of troll/tl;dr responses, but hats off to you.

Onto less suck-up-y things, some of these seems incredibly..detailed, a bit foreign to a series like Gears. But the more I think of them, the better they sound, and at the least, they offer some variety.

'Specially like the suggested details to ranked, the new Warzone, Boomshield and even the execution tidbit(I'm still disappointed that when I press b with the Gnasher out or execute them, I have to stop carry it out. Not sure how it'd be possible for some of them, but I digress). New medals/ribbons I could live without, but I like the friendly fire and rank idea as a whole.

Personally, I like Execution with more than just the Gnasher, but I could still see it without rifles. Also don't think the Hammerburst would be much different if it were unbuffed, but then again I didn't think it needed the buff to begin with. BTTE I could live without, but I've had some good times, I'd support it staying for good.

Overall, pessimism and unlikeliness aside, I support this. Pity if this gets shot down without consideration.

[c541tim]

I like it This needs to be done.

[XxXMateosXxX]

"Introduce a medal (if it doesn't exist yet) that like of "Carmine's Star" reminds you that you kill your team mates too much.
K/D and PPM penalties. You are allowed a max of 10 friendly kills per month, beyond this point you will lower in rank (lose ur wings) by level.
You are warned 3 times before during in game rank match, 1st and 2nd are warnings; final is a kick and team awarded the round."

Are you kidding me? that would be worst that halo with all your teamates shooting and you because they are ****ing trolls, its really annoying, now imagine if im playing Koth and i throw a grenade to the ring with some mates there...........

[ektor]

Dude why change execution!? people will cry here and whine... just make hardcore playlist Permanent but with all power weapons like boom and grenades, torque...

[KakashiiX2]

"Introduce a medal (if it doesn't exist yet) that like of "Carmine's Star" reminds you that you kill your team mates too much.
K/D and PPM penalties. You are allowed a max of 10 friendly kills per month, beyond this point you will lower in rank (lose ur wings) by level.
You are warned 3 times before during in game rank match, 1st and 2nd are warnings; final is a kick and team awarded the round."

Are you kidding me? that would be worst that halo with all your teamates shooting and you because they are ****ing trolls, its really annoying, now imagine if im playing Koth and i throw a grenade to the ring with some mates there...........

Well it's ranked for a reason, better think next time before you throw the grenade in. If you want to try that tactic then stick to Quick Match. That's the whole point, change the dynamic of the game to evoke more communication like how it used to be.

Dude why change execution!? people will cry here and whine... just make hardcore playlist Permanent but with all power weapons like boom and grenades, torque...

Because the numbers right now are telling a story, a story that says that execution is basically on life support alongside with Warzone. TDM taking basically the bulk of the numbers. People are here complaining day in and day out that the "servers" are missing in action. The reason this is happening is due to the playlist segregation argument I spoke about a long time ago before Alpha was implemented. Now that the game has been out for a couple of months the numbers have segregated themselves to the most liked gametypes, and that is being TDM.

Besides, why would they cry when they still get their untouched longer gametype which is TDM?

TDM at the moment is the new Execution for the average Gears player. For the hardcore gears player, their execution is still execution but due to the rifles in place and how powerful they are and of course the fact not many people are playing this gametype it's a loss loss situation for them. I would think execution players would embrace this change.


The reason I did not suggest Hardcore Playlist as a permanent addition to the playlist is because you are adding segregation. Not only do you have normal Execution now, but now you are throwing hardcore playlist (which I am pretty sure will kill regular Execution anyways) into an already crowded playlist.

...****. All out post you got there. Doubt many will read it in its entirety, and wouldn't be surprised if this full of troll/tl;dr responses, but hats off to you.

Onto less suck-up-y things, some of these seems incredibly..detailed, a bit foreign to a series like Gears. But the more I think of them, the better they sound, and at the least, they offer some variety.

'Specially like the suggested details to ranked, the new Warzone, Boomshield and even the execution tidbit(I'm still disappointed that when I press b with the Gnasher out or execute them, I have to stop carry it out. Not sure how it'd be possible for some of them, but I digress). New medals/ribbons I could live without, but I like the friendly fire and rank idea as a whole.

Personally, I like Execution with more than just the Gnasher, but I could still see it without rifles. Also don't think the Hammerburst would be much different if it were unbuffed, but then again I didn't think it needed the buff to begin with. BTTE I could live without, but I've had some good times, I'd support it staying for good.

Overall, pessimism and unlikeliness aside, I support this. Pity if this gets shot down without consideration.

Thanks, it's just an idea to see how the community feels. I'd like to see a purpose behind execution again, with TDM and it's respawn system, what's the point to execution/warzone nowdays?

[Nevermind1982]

A big FAT NO...

This is a terrible thread. Very Silly.

[The Gruff Rabbit]

Sorry, that's just a horrible idea so I voted "no". The game itself is far from "fine" though.

[KakashiiX2]

^ thank you for dropping by and leaving your comments. Hey if it's terrible it's terrible that yours opinion. I am leaving the thread open up for grabs. It's better than going and fudging up the balance of the weapons.

[Shmehh]

Bad idea... Execution to be gnasher and snub only? How can anyone think that is a good idea?

[KakashiiX2]

Bad idea... Execution to be gnasher and snub only? How can anyone think that is a good idea?

A lot of individuals feel that they the game is Rifle dominated at the moment, why not just give them a gametype strictly for that? Hardcore Weekend was pretty bad ass in my opinion and it sorta did quiet down peoples views about the game and lack of gnasher festivities.

On the other hand, what do you have to lose? You still have TDM in the same manner Execution is, except you get extra lives.

Execution is not a gametype like how it used to be, you can't deny the fact the volume in numbers compared to TDM means something has to be wrong with the gametype. If things were "ok", wouldn't Execution be the dominant gametype instead of TDM? Being that everything was born off Execution?

[Dark Borrelnoot]

I just wan't the old gib mechanics and the GoW 1 Gnasher (random bulletspread). I haven't played this game for a month or two because it is simply not addicting.

[HE4DSWILLROLL]

I have come to accept that Gears 1 will never be again. The very gameplay that made it rage inducing was also the very gameplay that made it unsurpassed in it addictive qualities.

It was as Epic admits themselves a mistake, therefore the qualities that made it fun for me will never be again as long as Epic has their way.

The Gnasher dominant gameplay was never supposed to be. I personally gravitated towards the Gnasher not because it was the easiest weapon to use, or because it could pop heads ( popping heads is never a bad thing though ), but because I enjoyed the fact that you only got one shot off per X amount of time ( I don't know the fire rate off the top of my head ). What that created was a gameplay that required precise movement, perfect aim and the ability to out think your opponent. And even though it was often ( not taking connection issues into account ) a first one to make a mistake, first to die kind of battle, you could recover from a mistake and still best your opponent. Skill was also a factor as there where varying things, including map knowledge, use of cover and awareness of enemies and teammates that contributed to the outcome of a battle/round/match.

Cover for me was not used for camping, but for wall bouncing, or as at a way to advance upon my opponents, or as a last resort, a way of retreating if I was outmatched or outgunned, so that I could formulate a plan of action.

I used my lancer sparingly not because it was under powered or hard to use but because a kill with it felt cheap, even if my opponent had his lancer out I didn't like using mine.

I don't find Ar's skillful to use. In all MP games I have always gravitated towards the weapons with the highest skill curve. In Medal of Honor AA & SH , there was a game-type that was Bolt Action rifles only, one shot kills. So Longshots without Gears ability to down. It didn't matter where you got hit, Head, Foot, Gun Holster a single shot would kill you. This game also had something no other FPS I have played has had, the ability to lean your character to the left and to the right. This allowed for corner shots and the ability to predict where your opponent was going to shot and dodge it. Half of the skill was in tricking your opponent into shooter not where you where going but where you where so that you in turn could attempt to predict where they where going to move to and shoot.

Basically the same thing as Gears shotgun battles but in First Person. Gears 3'rd Person view and ability to jump into cover/roll just makes it all the better for me.

I find semi to full auto weapons boring and tedious. The battles are generally predictable and the outcome is often influenced by who gains the advantage of high ground / who sees who first. I don't want to get a kill simply because I was hiding behind a wall and you didn't know I was there.

In the MW series I would get match scores of 25+ kills to 1-5 Deaths all the time. Every other match in MW2 was me nuking. After a few week of that I got bored and sold the game. Every time I would Prestige was simply another round of waiting for my favorite gun and for the Nuke Unlock. The gameplay became tedious because even those matches I did bad in I knew it was simply my opponent getting their shot off before I could see them, or bad respawns or unbalanced teams, or I was having an off day.

It wasn't because head to head my opponent had more pure skill than me.

I know In playing Gears 3 I am chasing a Dragon that will never exist again. Therefore I think I am going to sell my game and abandon Gears and probably the majority of console gaming as games are more and more being designed for the casual gamer who doesn't want to put any actually effort into developing skill.

Its time to for me to go back to RTS's and action adventure games where the fun is not in the kill or in the Win but in how you got to that end result.

[KakashiiX2]

I am a little baffled, you Gnasher players are a little too hard to please.

[Dark Borrelnoot]

I have come to accept that Gears 1 will never be again. The very gameplay that made it rage inducing was also the very gameplay that made it unsurpassed in it addictive qualities.

It was as Epic admits themselves a mistake, therefore the qualities that made it fun for me will never be again as long as Epic has their way.

The Gnasher dominant gameplay was never supposed to be. I personally gravitated towards the Gnasher not because it was the easiest weapon to use, or because it could pop heads ( popping heads is never a bad thing though ), but because I enjoyed the fact that you only got one shot off per X amount of time ( I don't know the fire rate off the top of my head ). What that created was a gameplay that required precise movement, perfect aim and the ability to out think your opponent. And even though it was often ( not taking connection issues into account ) a first one to make a mistake, first to die kind of battle, you could recover from a mistake and still best your opponent. Skill was also a factor as there where varying things, including map knowledge, use of cover and awareness of enemies and teammates that contributed to the outcome of a battle/round/match.

Cover for me was not used for camping, but for wall bouncing, or as at a way to advance upon my opponents, or as a last resort, a way of retreating if I was outmatched or outgunned, so that I could formulate a plan of action.

I used my lancer sparingly not because it was under powered or hard to use but because a kill with it felt cheap, even if my opponent had his lancer out I didn't like using mine.

I don't find Ar's skillful to use. In all MP games I have always gravitated towards the weapons with the highest skill curve. In Medal of Honor AA & SH , there was a game-type that was Bolt Action rifles only, one shot kills. So Longshots without Gears ability to down. It didn't matter where you got hit, Head, Foot, Gun Holster a single shot would kill you. This game also had something no other FPS I have played has had, the ability to lean your character to the left and to the right. This allowed for corner shots and the ability to predict where your opponent was going to shot and dodge it. Half of the skill was in tricking your opponent into shooter not where you where going but where you where so that you in turn could attempt to predict where they where going to move to and shoot.

Basically the same thing as Gears shotgun battles but in First Person. Gears 3'rd Person view and ability to jump into cover/roll just makes it all the better for me.

I find semi to full auto weapons boring and tedious. The battles are generally predictable and the outcome is often influenced by who gains the advantage of high ground / who sees who first. I don't want to get a kill simply because I was hiding behind a wall and you didn't know I was there.

In the MW series I would get match scores of 25+ kills to 1-5 Deaths all the time. Every other match in MW2 was me nuking. After a few week of that I got bored and sold the game. Every time I would Prestige was simply another round of waiting for my favorite gun and for the Nuke Unlock. The gameplay became tedious because even those matches I did bad in I knew it was simply my opponent getting their shot off before I could see them, or bad respawns or unbalanced teams, or I was having an off day.

It wasn't because head to head my opponent had more pure skill than me.

I know In playing Gears 3 I am chasing a Dragon that will never exist again. Therefore I think I am going to sell my game and abandon Gears and probably the majority of console gaming as games are more and more being designed for the casual gamer who doesn't want to put any actually effort into developing skill.

Its time to for me to go back to RTS's and action adventure games where the fun is not in the kill or in the Win but in how you got to that end result.

It is a long time ago I found someone who shared the exact same opinion! Cheers!

[KakashiiX2]

Now that Warzone and Execution have been merge (backing up my current claim with this thread) would anybody like to now jump into the idea offered at hand? So we can have them separated again,and atleast add variety to the playlist pool?

[-Raven-]

In the long list of bad ideas. Yours is definitely in the top 10. Not as bad as asking to remove the chainsaw from the game but still pretty bad.

By the gods, I can instantly tell how stereotypical your mind is.

The truth is, Warzone and Execution are played EXACTLY the same. The only difference are the Rules. Warzoners are NOT rifle-whoring cowardly Casuals who hide behind cover from a mile away. Most of us never even touched the rifles. I did of course. Hell, I hate shotguns. But Im not a coward, I get in peoples faces with my Lancer or Hammerburst and take them and their precious shotguns down.

[KakashiiX2]

In the long list of bad ideas. Yours is definitely in the top 10. Not as bad as asking to remove the chainsaw from the game but still pretty bad.

Right, they are so bad and not well thought out that I predicted the gametypes doom demise that now they are both merged.

By the gods, I can instantly tell how stereotypical your mind is.

Such a troll like comment. -_- People like you shouldn't be allowed to post.

The truth is, Warzone and Execution are played EXACTLY the same . The only difference are the Rules.

That's why they are merged. :| So... why is your signature saying "you will be missed"? When it was already dead from the get go, thanks to TDM. One single rule makes the difference. A rule that cators that of the shotgun. I am providing 2 modes to cater to both styles and giving them definition. You are so implying here you hate shotguns so the new warzone would benefit you.

Warzoners are NOT rifle-whoring cowardly Casuals who hide behind cover from a mile away. Most of us never even touched the rifles. I did of course. Hell, I hate shotguns. But Im not a coward, I get in peoples faces with my Lancer or Hammerburst and take them and their precious shotguns down.

That's what I do too... that's why I suggested the idea :|. Are you a little lost?

[HE4DSWILLROLL]

I am a little baffled, you Gnasher players are a little too hard to please.

No, not really.

What I want is no stopping power ( feels cheap even when I use it on others ) and less DMG across the board, including the Gnasher!.

Is it unrealistic to survive a Rocket Launcher missile? ( AKA: Boom Shot ) Yes!, but the knowledge that my opponent could dodge my boom shot made me aim directly at them. Now In Gears 3 if a boom drops 15 feet from me I die, even if I roll. Now that might be a hit box issue ( the fact that when you roll it seems to stay behind until you finish your roll ) but I also think the boom shot is too powerful ( especially with 3 shots, like WTF ) .

Do I want a QcQ ( Read: Gnasher Battles ) centered game?, Yes!. Do I feel Rifles have a place? Yes!. What I want more than anything is what I felt we had in Gears 1, Survivability. I Feel as though everything including the Gnasher kills far too fast these days.

[KakashiiX2]

No, not really.

What I want is no stopping power ( feels cheap even when I use it on others ) and less DMG across the board, including the Gnasher!.

That's changing a dynamic that benefits the game. Stopping power. TDM is successful, removing stopping power would ruin things that are balanced.

Is it unrealistic to survive a Rocket Launcher missile? ( AKA: Boom Shot ) Yes!, but the knowledge that my opponent could dodge my boom shot made me aim directly at them. Now In Gears 3 if a boom drops 15 feet from me I die, even if I roll. Now that might be a hit box issue ( the fact that when you roll it seems to stay behind until you finish your roll ) but I also think the boom shot is too powerful ( especially with 3 shots, like WTF ) .

It's a power weapon. What more do you want?

Do I want a QcQ ( Read: Gnasher Battles ) centered game?, Yes!. Do I feel Rifles have a place? Yes!. What I want more than anything is what I felt we had in Gears 1, Survivability. I Feel as though everything including the Gnasher kills far too fast these days.

You do, you have the ability to do so in Gears 3, it's nto like it's not possible. You are just not getting enough gnasher playtime, the hardcore weekend was a fine example of how the game runs with just Gnashers. It's a beautiful loving experience I am sure you enjoyed as well.

[Cookie Monster]

Fantastic idea, full support.

[Brendy Boy]

I suggest a change:

Make it so that Execution (or Alpha Exe. to test it out) has reduced stopping power for rifles (and probably other weapons too).

[Richtophen]

A lot of individuals feel that they the game is Rifle dominated at the moment, why not just give them a gametype strictly for that? Hardcore Weekend was pretty bad ass in my opinion and it sorta did quiet down peoples views about the game and lack of gnasher festivities.

On the other hand, what do you have to lose? You still have TDM in the same manner Execution is, except you get extra lives.

Execution is not a gametype like how it used to be, you can't deny the fact the volume in numbers compared to TDM means something has to be wrong with the gametype. If things were "ok", wouldn't Execution be the dominant gametype instead of TDM? Being that everything was born off Execution?

because they never said that they wanted them completely gone, just nerfed back to how they were in gears 2. and don't you say that they were useless because they weren't when on a god connection. far from it.

[KakashiiX2]

because they never said that they wanted them completely gone, just nerfed back to how they were in gears 2. and don't you say that they were useless because they weren't when on a god connection. far from it.

Yes I hear you here, but what you don't understand that is that the rifles were god like only till after TU5. Once the "gnasher" was back to it's GOW 1 traits, the rifles needed the bump they have now.

[Luck V3]

Ummm. I just want a stranded playlist...

[KakashiiX2]

Ummm. I just want a stranded playlist...

That's coming, I assure you that's on the back burner for them.

[ix Splosh xi]

just for the record in Execution you never execute people, always chunk them with gnasher lol

[KRAZIE ARTIST]

Yes I hear you here, but what you don't understand that is that the rifles were god like only till after TU5. Once the "gnasher" was back to it's GOW 1 traits, the rifles needed the bump they have now.

The only trait that was given back was firing rate. In no way why do ever did the gnasher have super range in gears 1.

[HE4DSWILLROLL]

That's changing a dynamic that benefits the game. Stopping power. TDM is successful, removing stopping power would ruin things that are balanced.

Never ruined balance in Gears 1, I could still down an onrushing opponent with my lancer/snub/HB before they got to me, or was my connection just special and I was the only one with a working Ar?.

The only time i see stopping power actually being effective is when people are camping. I see it in effect both against me and by me. Take Blooddrive for example. I am sitting on my side of the map, I see someone running down their stairs, bam I hit them with my no fire cap HB, they crawl to a stop and after a second or two they are dead.

Example two. I am playing checkout, I run from spawn through the center of the isles so that I can hit Frags from the middle. But no, I can't get there because someone with stopping power on the other side of the map has hit me with there never ending Lancer, so despite me best efforts to get into cover I am dead.

What has that achieved?, nothing but reinforcing the fact that camping with Ar's is better than actually showing some skill in QcQ combat. Go play CoD or Halo if that's the kind of games you want.

It's a power weapon. What more do you want?

For it to be what it was in Gears 1, a weapon that required a bit of skill to use. Not the cheat codes it is now. In Halo 3 the rocket launcher was not a sure kill unless you hit someone in the body or right underneath their feet. In CoD, Noob tubes are not sure kills.

Why in gears which I feel promotes more survivability than those other 2 games is the Boom basically and auto kill?

You do, you have the ability to do so in Gears 3, it's nto like it's not possible. You are just not getting enough gnasher playtime, the hardcore weekend was a fine example of how the game runs with just Gnashers. It's a beautiful loving experience I am sure you enjoyed as well.

Did you ignore what I said? I personally feel that even the "GNASHER" is overpowered. I miss the Gears 1 duels where you would empty a clip reload and go through half a clip of actives before killing your opponent.

Was lag a big part of that? Yes!. Was it actually something that made for a fun game? Yes!.

I am not asking for a game where Ar's are useless but lets face it, there is no need to work for your kills with any weapon anymore. Its all just a big bowl of MEH!.

[KakashiiX2]

The only trait that was given back was firing rate. In no way why do ever did the gnasher have super range in gears 1.

The Gnasher didn't have a super range, it was a placebo effect of the slow CMS and clunky cover system of the game. Once the Gnasher got it's fixed diamond shaped spread it made it absolutely OP over the rifles. EPIC took note of this and it is why the rifles are as powerful as they are now.

Never ruined balance in Gears 1, I could still down an onrushing opponent with my lancer/snub/HB before they got to me, or was my connection just special and I was the only one with a working Ar?.

It did. It was Gnasher festivities almost all the time in Gears 1. I am not saying it wasn't possible to down your opponent (the Gears 1 stun I think IMO was far more punishing than the stopping power) but evoking that stun wasn't an easy feat. Not including that there was no cover "limitation" with the weapons and the Gnasher was out there with the ability of flying through people by roadie running. This became so rampant that something needed to be place to alleviate it, hence stopping power.

The only time i see stopping power actually being effective is when people are camping. I see it in effect both against me and by me. Take Blooddrive for example. I am sitting on my side of the map, I see someone running down their stairs, bam I hit them with my no fire cap HB, they crawl to a stop and after a second or two they are dead.

Example two. I am playing checkout, I run from spawn through the center of the isles so that I can hit Frags from the middle. But no, I can't get there because someone with stopping power on the other side of the map has hit me with there never ending Lancer, so despite me best efforts to get into cover I am dead.

What has that achieved?, nothing but reinforcing the fact that camping with Ar's is better than actually showing some skill in QcQ combat. Go play CoD or Halo if that's the kind of games you want.

Where was your rifle during this whole time? These scenarios speak of "distance" , distance is not a friend of the Gnasher.

For it to be what it was in Gears 1, a weapon that required a bit of skill to use. Not the cheat codes it is now. In Halo 3 the rocket launcher was not a sure kill unless you hit someone in the body or right underneath their feet. In CoD, Noob tubes are not sure kills.

Why in gears which I feel promotes more survivability than those other 2 games is the Boom basically and auto kill?

You have an agenda with working weapons it seems and I will go right unto that based on your last part of the post.

Did you ignore what I said? I personally feel that even the "GNASHER" is overpowered. I miss the Gears 1 duels where you would empty a clip reload and go through half a clip or actives before killing your opponent.

Was lag a big part of that? Yes!. Was it actually something that made for a fun game? Yes!.

I am not asking for a game where Ar's are useless but lets face it, there is no need to work for your kills with any weapon anymore. Its all just a big bowl of MEH!.

I didn't ignore you, but that's the whole point here. The Gnasher itself is over powered, it was overpowered in Gears 1 but it was gimped by 2 things:

1. Lag
2. Random spread

Those 2 combined made it a bit unbearable to play with, the random spread made shotgun battles seem like a dice game of who would throw out the right number combination to get out of the fight. With that said, it feels to me like you like playing a game that is in a sense incomplete in the way of functioning properly. The mode I suggested allows you to have your fun again with just the gnasher, this "op" gnasher which everyone has. The only difference between that Gnasher and this Gnasher is the random spread.