Infinity Blade II ending discussion ****SPOILERS****

[keith29292]

I think we are missing the part about thane talking about the Great Pact and that he addressed Ausar as a traitor. Seems there is a pact signed by all deathless together to imprison the worker of secrets?
I think Ausar might be evil in the past and the worker of secrets is out to defeat him. Then he captured the WoS and signed a pact with all the deathless to imprison him. The WoS gave the IB to Raidriar to finish his mission to defeating Ausar, which he did on the plain and Ausar was thought to be disappeared while planning his revenge by his "Bloodline"?

Just speculations

[AzrinRain]

Hmm, Titans having memory loss? Sounds even more amusing, heh heh.
If that was the case, WoS would not have bothered explaining to Ausar what he could really do, like destabilizing QIP and such.
And even before Ausar mentioned he lost his memory, WoS went asking him if he was the one who "promised to free him (WoS) after many millenia".
Put emphasis on the "quite". Ausar did "fight through Heaven and Hell" to get to WoS, right?


As a Keith had pointed out earlier, knowing what the Pact is could make for a great content pack.

[DangerCZ]

Few notes..

About Siris's ancestor at the end of IB1: If he (generations ago) joined GK instead of fighting him, it means that he didn't die and was'nt reborn. It leads me to the fact, that someone had to manually prepare new body with memory records from last rebirth.

What I think is, that Ausar did beat WoS once, took his creation (Infinity Blade) and since he was evil, he tried to use it. But it didn't work (yet), so instead he built prison and imprisoned him. However, there was his rival Raidriar, who wanted to rule too. So when Ausar was busy, he incapacitated him and took the IB. Then he somehow erased Ausar's memory, changing his memories (it's why you dont remember anything, he did set the plot) and letting him reborn (kill) with those memories. With one hit, he was able to charge the IB with precious bloodline, eliminate his biggest rival and also letting Ausar fight his own army of titans each rebirth (since champions are usually armored entirely, even my grandmother would look like man in armor, so they couldn't recognize him). And after some time (and because more champions from the reign were going to challenge him), he forgot about Ausar being any threat to him. But what GK didn't expect was that eventually will Ausar (Siris) do something different and beat him up.

Well, it may be totally wrong, but it's about discussion, maybe you will see some true point in my post:-)

[AzrinRain]

You should read the book as to why Ausar rarely remembers.

[DangerCZ]

I just started

[Rgarza70]

Yeah kinda disappointing with the ending. I believe Ausar and the God King are going to throw a party, invite some hoes and set that mutha ****a off. cant wait for part 3.
peace nigga

[=Silver=]

Okay, here is my contribution

Long before the IB was made the only way to get rid of this or that deathless - was to imprison him forever. You cannot leave the cell, b/c your QIP will never get away even if you'll kill yourself. The only way is to wait. Eternity is longer than the life of the physical body, so you must supply clones for deathless to be visible and deal-able... (you may erase them some memories if you want). The way to escape is to provide another QIP for this prison (if one deathless come in, then other may come out).

Ausar was an evil and had its own army and deathless kings at his side.
Many of them were imprisoned by his ancient rival Raidriar when Ausar disappeared. Moreover, to secure the way to his rebirth lab Raidriar made that if you want to get there you have to kill these deathless. It's a TRAP made purposefully by Raidriar: if IB is activated, you kill deathless forever (destabilize his QIP), and become the only QIP in cell. It's a kind of proof that Siris didn't really kill his three kings (Kuero, gortoel and ...). Otherwise he would have never came out from the prison. He activated it later, after killing his BL traitor (Bill)

Now, the last epic war between Raidriar and Ausar was the war for the new weapon - IB. When Ausar lost the war and Raidriar took the IB, Ausar decided to unite with the WoS, deceived by Raidriar. When WoS told Ausar all the secrets of IB and QIP destabilization science, they
prepared a secret plan for obtaining IB. Ausar said that to implement their plan it is better to hide WoS in some distant "safe place", that he'll come over later for him, after activating and stealing IB. To the surprise of the WoS it was a some very "special safe place" - prison.

Years after, Raidriar found this place, and summoned all deathless to sign a Great Pact and never let WoS out.

And now, what's next?
We have a refined revenge situation: two of the deathless-offenders in one prison... Strange, but all you need to free yourself is ... to die first! Strange Tarantino-like duel

"All their life they fought trying to kill each other, now they fought to save the life to each other..."

[Silversabeast]

The way to escape is to provide another QIP for this prison (if one deathless come in, then other may come out).

But GK is down there with Ausar. two deathless. so couldn't ausar just leave?

And what about when thane says "he is sealed by the abominations of his own make"? so Ausar used the WoS creations to trap him?

on a side-note, I remember thane saying he is the first deathless. kinda cool, right? the first deathless is the first to die truly

[AzrinRain]

Then i have the mother of all questions:

How and why The Deathless came to being?

[Silversabeast]

Then i have the mother of all questions:

How and why The Deathless came to being?

Actually that's an interesting question. Maybe there's an overlord controlling everything everyone does? :P

[AzrinRain]

Maybe the WoS is the reason why there are Deathless in the first place?
I've gotta hand it over to this guy: he's just brimming with secrets, i can't figure this guy out at all.

[dvlguy]

Well, the reason they are deathless is because there's a player controlling them on the iphone and keeps playing infinity blade...

The infinity blade is the deathless killer = losing save game file. so another deathless is born!! mwauhaha

[=Silver=]

But GK is down there with Ausar. two deathless. so couldn't ausar just leave?

And what about when thane says "he is sealed by the abominations of his own make"? so Ausar used the WoS creations to trap him?

on a side-note, I remember thane saying he is the first deathless. kinda cool, right? the first deathless is the first to die truly

1. I guess it doesn't open from inside. He may kill himself first and get free, but he must be sure that GK is alive.

2. I think WoS knows much, maybe all hi-tech things, not only IB, but prisons and other stuff are made based on his techs.

3. Interesting about originating of the deathless... I guess WoS, as the one from the very old times remembers the interesting facts about Quantum Identity Pattern technology, making human being a deathless. Knowledge is not enough to resurrect the technology, but well enough to invent something destabilizing.

[AzrinRain]

@Silver

As to #1, how can Ausar get free if he needs the IB to bind the QIP to Raidriar?

[scupper75]

Posted this elsewhere, but it appears Chair is leaning on Egyptian Mythology...

A relevant wikipedia entry below: Ausar / Osiris (Siris) / Isis (Isa)

According to the Ausarian theology of ancient Egypt, the symbol for realizing the divine potential is Ausar (known in English by the Greek name Osiris). A means through which this realization can be achieved is through meditation which is symbolized by Auset (Isis). These principles are embodied in the story of Ausar. In the story, the Supreme Being manifested itself in the world as Ausar, who rules through adherence to the divine law of Ma'at. Ausar’s younger brother Set becomes jealous and murders him, cuts his body into several pieces and usurps the throne. Ausar’s devoted wife Auset gathers the parts of her husband’s dis-membered body and magically conceives their son, Heru (Horus). Heru eventually overthrows his evil uncle Set with the aid of Tehuti (the deity representing Wisdom) and reclaims the throne, and thereafter rules the land of the living while Ausar rules the land of the deceased (underworld). A version of the story can be found in The Egyptian Book of the Dead. There is also a version of the story in Awakening of Osiris: The Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Egyptian Book of the Dead, along with The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts and the Book of Knowing the Creations of Ra and Overthrowing Apep form the scriptural frame of reference for Ausar Auset Society teachings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausar_Auset_Society

[Silversabeast]

That's really cool. On a side note, have any of you opened the large key chest in the VoT?

[gillybean]

I opened the large key chest in the VoT, I didn't get anything good. I think I got some random sub-100k shield.

[=Silver=]

@Silver

As to #1, how can Ausar get free if he needs the IB to bind the QIP to Raidriar?

I don't know about the "binding process". I just think that if he kills himself, he'd be reborn somewhere. Prison holds one QIP, no matter whose. If you come in, someone other may come out

[curi42]

I don't know about the "binding process". I just think that if he kills himself, he'd be reborn somewhere. Prison holds one QIP, no matter whose. If you come in, someone other may come out

There's now two people in prison, though? Are they both trapped and bound?


BTW it seemed a little weird plot wise that WoS asked for raidriar, you go bring him, then he claims he has to leave you alive to escape so you can take his place. why can't raidriar, who you just brought, take his place instead and then he could just kill you as he claims to want to?

Either WoS is lying about something or the game dialog writing isn't very good.

[AzrinRain]

I suppose WoS is just giving Ausar the payback he deserves.
As for Raidriar, since WoS somewhat knows those two are enemies,
he'd figure that they'd have fun together.

[Kronos260]

What i wanna know is why did ausar lose his memory and why GK hates him so much

[ckd0214]

I think there IS a binding process, if you look closely on the end video you see glowing blue rings (like shackles) appear when WoS betrays us. So technically, raidriar is only stuck down there because of the giant stone door. Also why WoS can't just leave, he has to trick Ausar into taking his place (earlier, he mentions that "raidriar" was needed to free him). Raidriar was actually ausar who imprisoned him, he just changed the names.

[runNEOrun]

So looking for a suggestion from you all. I am currently level 64 on rebirth 11. My stats are -- 7150 HP, 143 AP, 1 SP and 1 MP. I still have 11 more non-rare items to master. I am wondering, should I just make the leap to NG+ since this grinding is getting old. Thanks for the suggestions!!!

[Silversabeast]

So looking for a suggestion from you all. I am currently level 64 on rebirth 11. My stats are -- 7150 HP, 143 AP, 1 SP and 1 MP. I still have 11 more non-rare items to master. I am wondering, should I just make the leap to NG+ since this grinding is getting old. Thanks for the suggestions!!!

I think you'll be fine. I went into ng+ without trying to, and I was fine

[AzrinRain]

@Kronos, the memory loss is explained in IB:A.

@ckd, WoS only said to bring Raidriar. And to open the stone door, one (assuming he/she is a Deathless, if not, 5 are needed) must again enable the central key, unlock the three smaller keys, then activate the central key again. The terrible part is to have someone outside to do it for you.

[ckd0214]

My memory must be fuzzy. I think he asked for raidriar to get the IB. To trap Ausar there.

[AzrinRain]

And i think Raidriar does not really hate Ausar.
Raidriar probably became what he is now because he had no other choice.
In order to kill WoS, Raidriar needed to kill someone with a high level of QIP to fully activate IB.
(Not) Suprisingly, Ausar volunteers, as he probably never wanted anyone else to suffer.
And so he commands TEL to sort of resurrect him after every death.
I think Voice's bromance theory might work out after all.

[Kronos260]

alright thanks that's really helpful

[Kronos260]

just saying but ausar and raidriar should rematch in the cell just for old times sake and maybe see why GK hates ausar so much

[ckd0214]

And i think Raidriar does not really hate Ausar.
Raidriar probably became what he is now because he had no other choice.
In order to kill WoS, Raidriar needed to kill someone with a high level of QIP to fully activate IB.
(Not) Suprisingly, Ausar volunteers, as he probably never wanted anyone else to suffer.
And so he commands TEL to sort of resurrect him after every death.
I think Voice's bromance theory might work out after all.

Except I don't understand why they felt the need to fully KILL the WoS. What's so bad about leaving him trapped for all eternity? It's not like he can bug them. Other than that, though, I agree. They probably didn't plan on Ausar beating GK since his memories (of how to fight) would be lost.

I think maybe after finishing WoS, Ausar/Raidriar/both might've planned to backstab the other once they conquered the world together. It is why siris's voice in his head is cruel rather than kind.

[AzrinRain]

Voice in the head is the Voice Of Freedom!
Just kidding there.

It seems to be a common trait that all Deathless have.
They are, immortal, so they have a tendency to talk like that to other lesser beings.
There will come a time when Ausar truly realizes who he is, and he's forced to make a stand between the folks he cared for (Isa and "Mom") or of his own kind, the Deathless.


I sense a movie plot. Oh boy. Let's hope it's Peter Jackson having free time.

[runNEOrun]

I think you'll be fine. I went into ng+ without trying to, and I was fine

Just curious, once in NG, can you ever restart rebirth 1?

[TheBlueStar]

If only one of the big four had actually asked "Ausar, why have you come to free the one you imprisoned?"

Would have saved them all a lot of trouble.

Who was the guy in the robot at the very end of IB1 then? And does he have anything to do with this?

Yeah, I don't see how this fits in now. If you're the same guy, reborn again and again, that should mean that you fight yourself at the end. But that isn't really being reborn if there are multiple copies, it's more like you've been cloned.

[BobHead]

Hmm, Titans having memory loss? Sounds even more amusing, heh heh.

I can forget who my boss/teacher/superior looks like

And i think Raidriar does not really hate Ausar.
Raidriar probably became what he is now because he had no other choice.
In order to kill WoS, Raidriar needed to kill someone with a high level of QIP to fully activate IB.
(Not) Suprisingly, Ausar volunteers, as he probably never wanted anyone else to suffer.
And so he commands TEL to sort of resurrect him after every death.
I think Voice's bromance theory might work out after all.

Oooh... I like that! Except why'd Radriar try to kill Ausar after activating the IB? Or maybe they're all backstabbers...

Maybe Ausar was supposed to be a guardian of the WoS and volunteered his house. Maybe had a chat with him with some drinks and bargained the WoS's freedom in exchange for one of his deathless-killing toys out of curiosity(?), despite the "pack" which was perhaps an agreement not to use the WoS's weapons. But Ausar was somehow killed while running away by a bunch of raging deathless and the sword was lost, possibly on the plains-whose-name-still-escapes-me. Because going back to the first game, the GK did say something about taking a millennia to "find" the IB.
So the GK finds it, and starts working out how the thing works (in secret?), and Ausar finds out that the GK has the sword. So he tries to get it back and orders TEL to resurrect him after every death. Ausar doesn't want to remember who he is because he is afraid he had unleashed something very very bad, and perhaps should have just let the sword be. The angry voice might be him cursing himself.

I sure hope the next content update includes some answers

[Silversabeast]

Just curious, once in NG, can you ever restart rebirth 1?

'm not completely sure but i think
you can. I don't see why not

[Silversabeast]

Just curious, once in NG, can you ever restart rebirth 1?

I'm not completely sure but i think
you can. I don't see why not.

And Bobhead, it's the plains of koroth, lol.

And one question, what is the "angry voice"?

[voice of freedom]

If only one of the big four had actually asked "Ausar, why have you come to free the one you imprisoned?"

Would have saved them all a lot of trouble.

LOL yeah not too bright are they

[=Silver=]

If we suppose that "binding" exists, and we need IB to remap it, then we can understand why WoS said he needed Raidriar He just needed IB. Ok, we saw the cutscene where he did this, now Ausar is bound. Door is sealed. Raidriar is lying unconscious nearby...

There must be a difficult talk between them. Raidriar tells Ausar many interesting things, before he dies. After death Raidriar comes back with reinforcement to visit and get sure that Ausar is still there and fortify the prison / make setup for WoS. Isa steals IB from WoS and sneak inside while seal is open, throws IB to Ausar. He catches IB, hug Raidriar and hit the central key remapping the bind to Raidriar. Fights his way out with the help of the Isa.

After that, IB III: track down kill WoS. In the end of IB3 WoS must explain why he didn't kill Raidriar in the prison. And we understand the bigger issue for IB 4...

[DangerCZ]

Wait a second.. What about the teleportation ring? I'm still reading the book yet (progress: 55%), but I guess that one of our imprisoned guys could have the ring If it's correct, it should work, right? Teleport the IB to prison and remap the binding:-)

And then deal with the WoS and his secrets:-) But there is one more thing.. would WoS be so stupid to not expect this?

[BobHead]

And Bobhead, it's the plains of koroth, lol.

Oh.

And one question, what is the "angry voice"?

The voice in his head?

hug Raidriar

heheheheheeheheheheehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehehe

Wait a second.. What about the teleportation ring? I'm still reading the book yet (progress: 55%), but I guess that one of our imprisoned guys could have the ring If it's correct, it should work, right? Teleport the IB to prison and remap the binding:-)

The WoS would probably be able to stop that happening, as the GK did (which you'll see at about 90ish%)