XP Multiplier | Old Weapon Swap Discussion Thread

[Black RL]

You must be fortunate enough to get match up against to worst players around, then. People I play with pretty much never get caught by Hammer/Mortar up top. Every now and then I'll get a kill with them, but not that often because the Mortar is easy to avoid and the Hammer works better from high ground.

Exactly, hammer sucks when you are in low ground, and you are downed by ars faster than you can activate it.

[Gnashes]

Exactly, hammer sucks when you are in low ground, and you are downed by ars faster than you can activate it.

There's only one thing I enjoy about the hammer.

No matter what people are doing, when you start to drop it, they run away... FAST! lol

[cjp29]

seems very strange to have swapped out the mortar and hod from overpass, they were definitely weapons of choice to retake the top. The changes to sandbar are good, but it was the map where the oneshot was the most useful. The other thing i would like to see is the longshots cycled with the torques.

[arCtyC]

I really want to see Checkout/Mercy/Drydock changed. Checkout's Mulcher is relatively useless, I would prefer to see Digger and/or preferably sniper at Photo. Mercy would be better if either the Boomshot/Digger was in the middle of the map (keeping the same swaps) or a sniper was placed at the Balcony in place of the two heavy weapons. The heavy weapons on Drydock are kind of ineffective as well, but there are multiple issues with Drydock.

One side has ink (almost a guaranteed kill), while the other side has Scorcher (not a guaranteed kill). Better players tend to heavily smoke the Torque/Longshot which I think should be placed in the middle for grenades to see how it plays out (using the same swaps). I haven't seen a viable solution to the swaps with Power Weapons placed on opposite sides (the games tend to be campy). Old Town, Hotel, and Gridlock are solid.

[Mackey81]

Good write up. I was able to tell last night when I was not on the servers because sometimes the change was there, other times not. More often not though.

I think the scorcher is useless. You have to be right on them for it to be effective IMO. I think the scorcher is good on smaller maps but more open, larger maps I dont t hink it should be int he maps.

Overpass:
Mortar > Boomshot
Hammer of Dawn > Torque Bow

Issue with overpass is the setup, not the weapons. Also, spawn issues on this map are crazy bad on KOTH and TDM. I think the hammer was fine on it. Mortar needed to change though because you just get lancered down when you use it right away. There is no cover to use it.

Sandbar:
Digger > Scorcher
Boomshot > Scorcher
Oneshot > Boomshot

Scorcher should of never been placed on this map. Its way too big. There is nothing to counter the snipers... IMO, the digger helped with that.

[captain ped]

So we only have HoD on one map? Wish they put it on maps like thrashball instead of the torque bow

[TurkishGears]

awesome thread

[Gnashes]

I really want to see Checkout/Mercy/Drydock changed. Checkout's Mulcher is relatively useless, I would prefer to see Digger and/or preferably sniper at Photo. Mercy would be better if either the Boomshot/Digger was in the middle of the map (keeping the same swaps) or a sniper was placed at the Balcony in place of the two heavy weapons. The heavy weapons on Drydock are kind of ineffective as well, but there are multiple issues with Drydock.

One side has ink (almost a guaranteed kill), while the other side has Scorcher (not a guaranteed kill). Better players tend to heavily smoke the Torque/Longshot which I think should be placed in the middle for grenades to see how it plays out (using the same swaps). I haven't seen a viable solution to the swaps with Power Weapons placed on opposite sides (the games tend to be campy). Old Town, Hotel, and Gridlock are solid.

I'll agree on the imbalance of the Scorcher/Ink spawns, and the others I can see your point, I haven't given the map a lot of thought to be honest, which I should have.

Good write up. I was able to tell last night when I was not on the servers because sometimes the change was there, other times not. More often not though.

I think the scorcher is useless. You have to be right on them for it to be effective IMO. I think the scorcher is good on smaller maps but more open, larger maps I dont t hink it should be int he maps.

Overpass:
Mortar > Boomshot
Hammer of Dawn > Torque Bow

Issue with overpass is the setup, not the weapons. Also, spawn issues on this map are crazy bad on KOTH and TDM. I think the hammer was fine on it. Mortar needed to change though because you just get lancered down when you use it right away. There is no cover to use it.

Sandbar:
Digger > Scorcher
Boomshot > Scorcher
Oneshot > Boomshot

Scorcher should of never been placed on this map. Its way too big. There is nothing to counter the snipers... IMO, the digger helped with that.

The idea was to give the people going to the pinacle a single advantage, and that is the height of the position itself. Team Lancer/Hammerburst fire can easily counter anything the other team think of from that vantage point. Boomshot and Digger just gave the position a little too much strategic value.

So we only have HoD on one map? Wish they put it on maps like thrashball instead of the torque bow

HoD on Thrashball wouldn't work. Either A. The partial roof would render it useless, or B. People would take it into skybox and control the entire map with it.

awesome thread

Thanks! I tried

[Coleyman]

I quite like these changes. Although now the Hammer of Dawn isn't on any of the maps.

[DeanOMiite]

I didn't know they were changing the XP progression as well...it's a little late than never though, don't you think? I mean...I enjoy leveling up but I'm already at level 70 and there are a number of people who have already maxed out. I'd honestly like to see a TU that gives people with a chance to work towards "better" wings. Something like...

Leveling up until lvl 100 is your number
Level 100 is the current wings
Get enough XP to reach 100 again, you get blood stained wings
Get enough XP to reach 100 AGAIN, you get...I dunno, the crimson omen
Then you get an infected omen
Then you get an Embry Star (yes I know you already get that for reaching 30 onyx medals, this is just an example)
Then you get Gold wings
Then you get Onyx wings

Something like that. Something I can work toward almost as long as I'm working towards Seriously 3.0

[Mr shWo]

No it's not. It's just a bad weapon. What can it do that the Retro Lancer, a weapon you spawn with, can't do better?

it can down multiple opponents at the same time very quickly, it's actually a beast of weapon in this game

[Gnashes]

I quite like these changes. Although now the Hammer of Dawn isn't on any of the maps.

Yes it is, it still spawns on Sandbar on even numbered rounds

[stunkcajyzarc]

ew boomshot on overpass. ew? and i had no idea that xp ratios were higher in ranked.

[OMG Zappy]

Yup play yesterday on sandbar was about to annihilate some fools with the digger. When I find out its a dam scorcher 1 second later I get s/o.

[White Plague]

I played several matches on Overpass today. Half of them were with Mortar/Hammer, half of them were with Boomshot/Torque.

[Joseph]

thanks for the update!

[Uncanny Madman]

Overpass was one of the few maps that Mortar was actually useful for, especially on KoTH...why has it been removed?! HoD was pretty good on it too...why put the generic Boomshot / Torque in their place?

I'm glad Sandbar isn't so totally focused on the high ground now but it's a bit boring having Scorcher both rounds...it should be Digger on the second round to change up which end of the map has the best weapon spawn each round...

[Gnashes]

Overpass was one of the few maps that Mortar was actually useful for, especially on KoTH...why has it been removed?! HoD was pretty good on it too...why put the generic Boomshot / Torque in their place?

I'm glad Sandbar isn't so totally focused on the high ground now but it's a bit boring having Scorcher both rounds...it should be Digger on the second round to change up which end of the map has the best weapon spawn each round...

It kinda forces people to not rush up top to camp unless they want to sacrifice a very powerful weapon.

As for Sandbar, I like the new swaps. If you go pinnacle, all you get is a height advantage and a weapon to help hold that location. You don't get height and an overly powerful weapon.

Just my 2 cents

[SQuirrel147]

I really want to see Checkout/Mercy/Drydock changed. Checkout's Mulcher is relatively useless, I would prefer to see Digger and/or preferably sniper at Photo. Mercy would be better if either the Boomshot/Digger was in the middle of the map (keeping the same swaps) or a sniper was placed at the Balcony in place of the two heavy weapons. The heavy weapons on Drydock are kind of ineffective as well, but there are multiple issues with Drydock.

One side has ink (almost a guaranteed kill), while the other side has Scorcher (not a guaranteed kill). Better players tend to heavily smoke the Torque/Longshot which I think should be placed in the middle for grenades to see how it plays out (using the same swaps). I haven't seen a viable solution to the swaps with Power Weapons placed on opposite sides (the games tend to be campy). Old Town, Hotel, and Gridlock are solid.

Funny enough, this is exactly what I said last night lol. Minus the Dry Dock stuff. But I like the Dry Dock idea. Swap nades with Sniper/Torque. Over-all Dry Dock is not good for respawn gametypes. Exe/War is works great. however.

[mr killspree]

I was just on Sandbar 5 minutes ago and someone had the Digger round 2, and the Scorcher round 1??? Whats that all about?

[C MAN 2117]

Regarding the xp change, I don't understand why Ranked TDM has the highest xp output. Should be Wingman>Warzone>Execution>CTL>TDM>KOTH for xp gain.

[Shooterking69]

I ****ing love the new weapon swaps


Good job epic

[TurkishGears]

yeah weapon swaps have made overpass somewhat bareable. you can actually take the grenade zones now in KOTH

[PaintTheTownRed]

After playing them a few times, the Sandbar changes are great and help to balance the map. The Overpass changes on the other hand actually make the map worse. The Mortar needs to stay. It's the only way to take out someone at the top.

[TurkishGears]

yeah weapon swaps have made overpass somewhat bareable. you can actually take the grenade zones now in KOTH

The Overpass changes on the other hand actually make the map worse. The Mortar needs to stay. It's the only way to take out someone at the top.

lololol and this is the challange for the devs

[paul1967]

Can we get a sticky with all changes listed? Weapons Spawns , XP Change and SO patch ...... the boards are getting flooded with posts about the changes.

Agreed, an official up to date changelog would be great

[TheJamsh]

I don't think sandbar should have twin scorchers up-top, that would kill it. It would be far more difficult to break into the 'fort' with somebody taking hold of a scorcher, especially with the insane stopping power and its ability to hit multiple people at once.

Sandbar IMO is great, although the OneShot isn't really an effective MP weapon. The laser is too obvious...

[G FoR jEEborz]

Digger should've stayed up top on Sandbar...Was actually worth grabbing but didn't completely lock down top control.

:/

Not a fan of Torque Bow being on Overpass...Sniper would've been more effective in fighting people camping up top with their lancers.

[Gnashes]

Agreed, an official up to date changelog would be great

I *think* they're using this thread as an official discussion for all intents and purposes, just from what I've seen on twitter.

I could be wrong though

[JayWood2010]

They need to change Thrashball's weapons. Put a sniper at the top where the smokes are. It's pointless to have a smoke there, and sniper would be perfect.

[Brendy Boy]

Regarding the xp change, I don't understand why Ranked TDM has the highest xp output. Should be Wingman>Warzone>Execution>CTL>TDM>KOTH for xp gain.

Agreed!

They need to change Thrashball's weapons. Put a sniper at the top where the smokes are. It's pointless to have a smoke there, and sniper would be perfect.

Are you insane? The up top area is super strong already.

[Digital Birdy]

After playing a couple rounds on overpass the torque helped out a lot! but not so much with the boomshot.

[ImperialGuard39]

Overpass sucks, getting rid of any easy way to flush out a team at the top was a bad idea. Sandbar's change makes sense though, because now people fight on the beach too.

[Quinn DelHoyo]

I *think* they're using this thread as an official discussion for all intents and purposes, just from what I've seen on twitter.

I could be wrong though

^ This. Keep the feedback flowing in here. Also be sure to give feedback on what other maps you want changes on.

[The Locust Horde]

Still makes the map no better .
Overpass
Honestly its the worst Gears map across the 3 games.
Just my view
Great job on Sandbar makes the map fun to play on .

[Vivica]

I've not been able to play with this new swaps yet, and won't be able to until Sunday unfortunately - however i am sad to see the digger removed from Sandbar.

[Craigums]

I've not been able to play with this new swaps yet, and won't be able to until Sunday unfortunately - however i am sad to see the digger removed from Sandbar.

Same, I havent played on it yet, but I am super sad to see the Digger gone

[Thicketford]

On a related note. Has anyone esle noticed that you can't swap the boomshield in private matches? I can't see it in the weapon swap menu.

[EddieFenix]

The HoD on Sandbar = bad idea. Open map + the oppoent controlling the top = total rape

[Madman Redux]

I wonder how a mortar would work on Sandbar in place of the hammer of dawn. Seems like it would be great for clearing out the overlook area. If you could get it to the sides, it would be great for clearing out the area where the scorcher now spawns.